'08 Presidential Candidates: Who served & who didn't
POSTED BY: CrevanReaver
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2023 18:32
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YOU are the one who assumed I was limiting my opinion about the greatest presidents to the ones I listed - YOU skipped over the word SOME.
Hence your confusion over a simple post. It seems to happen to you often.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Huh? Are you tryin' to take the discussion off-topic?
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Ruse already did that with her Bush bashing....I think she is cranky and could use new batteries.......
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Is this a board just for you? If a question is asked or an opinion is given....fair game. I still can not believe you teach children........What a dick you are.
Awww, did I hurt your feelings by taking all the attention away from you? If a question is asked to a specific poster, which mine was, I usually expect my answers to come, oh, I dunno, from that specific poster. Not from the board's resident troll, who apparently decided to have a lucid moment in which he/she/it wasn't calling people fag or making other nasty, racial, obnoxious comments. Are you sure you don't want to edit that post's answer to make some sort of ethnic slur?
As for "is this board just for me?" No, it isn't. But I've been a member longer than you, and quite frankly through the last several months I've come to it less and less because of people like you. I'm tired of your behavior, quite honestly, and I've taken the last couple days to let you know it. And if you think I'm a dick now? Wait till I get going. We can start ignoring each other, which I would prefer, or I can chase you around the boards insulting you from one thread to the next - take your pick which one you want; I've got nothing but time this summer.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
She said "end all be all," which was in response to your OP, which implied
If I had wanted you to tell me what you think yinyang meant I would have said "Hey Seven, what do you think yinyang meant.
I don't need to know what she meant, I quoted her specifically, based on what your initial post implied. She was pretty clear, your initial post was not.
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I agree with your point, I thought that was clear. My point is Commander-in-Chief is in the President's job description. Chief economist, Lead scientist, Surgeon General are not. And as Kaneman stated, the military is the largest, best funded and most active branch of Government now and for the foreseeable future.
I think the problem may be one here of interpretation. Many (myself included) see the title as more ceremonial - though I think that may not be the word I'm looking for - than actual. While he certaily is the one pointing the troops in the right direction (well, mostly), he really has no control over the direction of their conflict; that's the job of military advisors and generals. Therefore, prior military service is no more important to being CiC than economic 'service' is to pointing the US's economy in a particular direction.
Now, don't misquote me, I do certainly believe that there is a TON of responsibility involved in sending folk to die, and for that reason I do believe having served is a good thing. But I don't think it's the most important qualification for the job.
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Short of drawing you a picture, I'm not sure how I could clarify my position any further.
Short of giving you the finger, I'm letting you know the snarkiness isn't necessary. I've tried to be civil, let's keep it that way. Your OP wasn't as clear as you'd like. Take that any way you want. We've now clarified.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
I don't need to know what she meant, I quoted her specifically, based on what your initial post implied. She was pretty clear, your initial post was not.
You keep referencing my initial post as being unclear. Yinyang asked what was so important about military history for the position of president and I underlined Commander-in-Chief. Being part of the job description of president I figured that was reason enough. The following quote from this thread's author gives their reason,
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
In a post-9/11 world I believe the voters should know about a presidential candidate's military service or lack thereof:
Both legitimate reasons as to why perhaps military experience could be beneficial to the next president. Here's another good reason,
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
...something to think about when you're casting your vote (either in the general election or in the primaries) on who should be Commander-in-Chief of the brave men and women who are risking their lives to protect American freedom. Remember most of the candidates weren't willing to take that risk.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
I think the problem may be one here of interpretation. Many (myself included) see the title as more ceremonial - though I think that may not be the word I'm looking for - than actual. While he certaily is the one pointing the troops in the right direction (well, mostly), he really has no control over the direction of their conflict; that's the job of military advisors and generals. Therefore, prior military service is no more important to being CiC than economic 'service' is to pointing the US's economy in a particular direction.
The C-i-C calls the shots, he gets people killed. Some might say that is much harder than the actual doing. You know, the buck stops here.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Now, don't misquote me, I do certainly believe that there is a TON of responsibility involved in sending folk to die, and for that reason I do believe having served is a good thing. But I don't think it's the most important qualification for the job.
Misquote, whatever for? That is one of the most sensible things you have said in this thread thus far.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Short of giving you the finger, I'm letting you know the snarkiness isn't necessary. I've tried to be civil, let's keep it that way. Your OP wasn't as clear as you'd like. Take that any way you want. We've now clarified.
That snarkiness comment goes both ways you know. You haven't had the most auspicious return to regular posting IMHO.
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Originally posted by yinyang:
And, back to the original post, it is not cowardly or unpatriotic to say, "I do not want to aid in the military extension of the United States of America by serving in any of the armed forces," which is what I think is being implied by "weren't willing to take that risk."
I agree. I find this to be quite insulting. Currently I'm doing what I can to prepare for Civil War on our own land. I don't give a rats ass what happens on the other side of the globe.
Good for you if prior millitary service means something to you, but there's no reason to insult people who don't mindlessly go where there Masters tell them to to go and kill people who never did anything personally to them or their families.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
That snarkiness comment goes both ways you know. You haven't had the most auspicious return to regular posting IMHO.
But none of that snarkiness aimed at you, if I recall (unless you happen to be a sockpuppet of some other folk). In fact, I believe our first exchange was a smart-mouthed comment from you about how I talk to my students. If you want to move our dialogue down to that level, let me know; I can dish it out with the best of them.
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You keep referencing my initial post as being unclear.
The post was unclear because of implication. The OP struck me (and obviously others) as you saying military service was necessary, not beneficial, because it was the absolute most important aspect of the presidency. It derailed the argument when you later said that nobody agreed with you, and your argument that nobody agreed with seemed different from your OP.
From earlier in the thread:
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
So you agree that a military background is helpful to a President, thanks for your support. With the exception of K man it has been lacking for my position in this thread.
No one is disagreeing with your position that a military background could be helpful. In fact, you'll find that almost everyone agrees with that statement.
See? People were arguing against a position you didn't hold, based on what they thought your OP meant. Whether or not you thought it was clear doesn't always mean it is; happens to all of us.
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The C-i-C calls the shots, he gets people killed. Some might say that is much harder than the actual doing. You know, the buck stops here.
Again, while some might think that, it's undoubtedly not the case with certain presidencies, and there's really no way of knowing which candidate will be affected and which won't. I seem to recall Bush having a "Bush moment" this past year (maybe it was last year) when asked about how it affects him and he said that he sleeps well at night. He's the first Pres. I've ever seen that doesn't look to me like the office has aged him, and I really think it's because he doesn't give a damn about his decisions. They're made, he's done, troops included.
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There's a reason the Commander-in-Chief is a civilian. Doesn't mean he/she can not have served in the military, but that they aren't actively serving, and that service isn't a requirement for holding office.
Bob Dole was a decorated WW2 vet, while Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and got elected.
AlGore and John Kerry both served in 'nam, and both lost to George W Bush, who served as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard.
Military service is nice, but when it comes to chosing a leader, where he/she stands on the positions is what matters most.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Good for you if prior millitary service means something to you, but there's no reason to insult people who don't mindlessly go where there Masters tell them to to go and kill people who never did anything personally to them or their families.
If this was directed at me I have to admit, that's a nice looking stawman ya got there Jack.
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"Awww, did I hurt your feelings by taking all the attention away from you?"
Impossible. I don't have any....sorry.
"I usually expect my answers to come, oh, I dunno, from that specific poster."
oops!, my bad.....sorry again.
"he/she/it wasn't calling people fag or making other nasty, racial, obnoxious comments."
oops! again...I don't know what I was thinking....shame on me.
"Are you sure you don't want to edit that post's answer to make some sort of ethnic slur?"
No need. There are plenty of future posts where I can correct my error.......
"But I've been a member longer than you,"
NANANAHNANANAH..I can't hear you. My mommy can beat up your mommy!...Nice to see the children rubbing off on you.
"or I can chase you around the boards insulting you from one thread to the next - take your pick which one you want; I've got nothing but time this summer."
Please see my 'you are a dick' post..........
Love always kaneman
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