'08 Presidential Candidates: Who served & who didn't
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
No one is disagreeing with your position that a military background could be helpful. In fact, you'll find that almost everyone agrees with that statement.
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Originally posted by yinyang:
Since when is the military the be all, end all? And what do most of the wars we've fought in the last 60 years have to do with our freedoms?
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Originally posted by rue:
Yeah, that's what we want. Good ties between the presidency and the military. Something closer to a junta should do it.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
But having military as a CiC does not always good decision making make.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The CinC has the responsibility of defining the objectives - that's *IT*, period, end of story.
For that, military experience is neither preferable nor required, we have plenty of brass in the pentagon to do the job and I think a lot of our failure rests with them, because it's THEIR job to see it done.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
What people are disagreeing with is the idea that military service is necessary for a good CiC. That's the difference. It is no more necessary to the job than a doctorate in economics, physics, or any other field that a decision might have to be made in. If our president doesn't have to have an M.D. to make health care policy, he doesn't need military service to make military decisions - but either would be helpful.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I have never stated that military experience is required. My position is that military experience would be prudent for the Commander-in-Chief. The President cannot be all things to all people but he/she should be qualified in most aspects of the job IMHO.
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I dunno what "evidence" you thought these quotes you took out of context were showing, but they don't show what you think they show.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by SevenPercent:
No one is disagreeing with your position that a military background could be helpful. In fact, you'll find that almost everyone agrees with that statement.Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:
Since when is the military the be all, end all? And what do most of the wars we've fought in the last 60 years have to do with our freedoms?
She said "end all be all," which was in response to your OP, which implied that it was necessary for a CiC to have military experience. Same with me in the next one:
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
But having military as a CiC does not always good decision making make.
My point being that while it's good, it's not always a great idea, nor necessary.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The CinC has the responsibility of defining the objectives - that's *IT*, period, end of story.
For that, military experience is neither preferable nor required, we have plenty of brass in the pentagon to do the job and I think a lot of our failure rests with them, because it's THEIR job to see it done.
Frem and Rue don't think it's a good idea that the CiC has military ties, but then again, I said most of the posters in the thread, not all of them, didn't I?
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I have never stated that military experience is required. My position is that military experience would be prudent for the Commander-in-Chief. The President cannot be all things to all people but he/she should be qualified in most aspects of the job IMHO.
But the military aspect of the job is just that - one aspect. There are far more aspects to the job than just military. There are economics, sciences, management, health care, and so on and so forth. My point to you is that the president cannot be all these things, many of which are more important to some folk than the military aspect. Yes, military service would be nice for the CiC - then again, a degree in Physics or Geology would be nice for the person that makes our energy policy. You can't have it all.
I think instead of admitting your OP might have implied what you didn't intend and agreeing, you're trying to get defensive. Just clarify your position.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
The President cannot be all things to all people but he/she should be qualified in most aspects of the job IMHO.
Just trying to clarify.
You feel that the role of CiC makes up most if not the majority of the responsibilities of the presidency, is that correct?
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
The President cannot be all things to all people but he/she should be qualified in most aspects of the job IMHO.
Just trying to clarify.
You feel that the role of CiC makes up most if not the majority of the responsibilities of the presidency, is that correct?
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That is why there is the CiC title. Our military is a major part of our country. Do you know anyone in the service? of course you do. Right or wrong, we send our military all over the world. Always have... always will (unless we vote in a Ron Paul type). It is part of who we are. Unless we change this, the CiC responsibility is a huge part of the presidential responsibility. Making military experience not only helpful, but desirable.......Well, seems right to me...............
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I disagree, and so too did Eisenhower, in spite of the fact that he did have such experience.
So too did Smedley Butler.
A little homework on this is advised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
-F
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I disagree, and so too did Eisenhower, in spite of the fact that he did have such experience.
So too did Smedley Butler.
A little homework on this is advised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
-F
Having military experience does not equate to support for the military/industrial complex(Ron Paul), but surely it must equate to better military decisions.
Do your own homework
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"Having military experience ... must equate to better military decisions.
Do your own homework"
No one has yet answered how Bush's military experience led to better military decisions.
Do your own homework
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Originally posted by kaneman:
That is why there is the CiC title.
So now you're not just answering for Antimason, but BigDamnNobody also? If I had wanted a clarification on his position from you, I'd have said, "Hey Kaneman, why don't you tell me what BDN thinks?"
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
So now you're not just answering for Antimason, but BigDamnNobody also? If I had wanted a clarification on his position from you, I'd have said, "Hey Kaneman, why don't you tell me what BDN thinks?"
Now who's getting defensive?
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