Crackdowns on the basics of democracy
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, March 31, 2024 04:52
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(Warning: May contain vaguely psychotic ranting and small traces of nuts or nutlike products)
Lead, you just nailed exactly, what my primary issue with Chavez is - sure, his people love him, and trust him enough to give him near dictatorial powers, but the issue you raise is the exact same one I raised when Ross Perot ran for Prez.
He woulda needed damn near dictatorial power to do much of what he planned, and while I might perhaps, have trusted him with it on a temporary basis, it would set a bad BAD precendent, and such "temporary" measures (Patriot Act anyone ? I. Told. You. So.) never are.
So yes, in the short term giving a seemingly decent man such power might fix problems, but it will also corrupt him and his administration exactly that much faster - and if whoever comes after him is a shitheel, then they're screwed.
Same principle here in the states, what with the Bush administrations concept of a Unitary Executive... regardless of how matters turn out, my one hope that brings a snarky smile to my face is just how fast the next sumbitch we elect is gonna USE that "Unitary Executive" power to bend Bush and his cronies over a sawhorse for a good ole fashioned san quentin honeymoon.
SQUEEEEEEE!
I wanna see the tears roll down that fuckers face when the new administration railroads his ass in a rigged military tribunal and ships it off to Gitmo with extreme prejudice for a couple rounds of waterboarding.
Cause in the end, that's his own damn fault, and you know what, it's gonna be Chavez's too, when this bites HIM on the ass as well.
That bein said, Venezuela ain't my county, and ain't my business how they run their affairs, we should just leave that the hell alone.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Everything is the fault of whoever's fault it is. We have more money and resources, so we do more of the stuff there's fault to be had for, that's all.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Oeverything is America's fault. What a world. What a world.
Do the math Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
It's called cause and effect, Geeze, a simple, logical process even other mammals can generally figure out on their own, why not politicians ?
Prolly cause they're freakin reptiles or something.
We meddle, and it boomerangs, every time we go stickin our tax dollars into something overseas it's like a goddamned monkeytrap - only eventually a MONKEY *WILL* let go of the banana!
So we made Chavez a Socialist dictator wannabe? And all the people protesting his closure of opposition media are just American puppets? Sorry, but even if the US has interfered with Venezuala's politics in the past, that doesn't make Chavez's actions correct. If he's as popular as he seems to think, he should be able to withstand media criticism.
BTW, US aid to Zimbabwe for quite a while has been food and anti-AIDS/HIV. US posture on Mugabe's government has been quite critical. Unless you want us to invade and enforce democracy
?"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Everything is the fault of whoever's fault it is. We have more money and resources, so we do more of the stuff there's fault to be had for, that's all.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Oeverything is America's fault. What a world. What a world.
Do the math Chrisisall
That's got to be the most ignorant, dim witted thing I think I've ever seen you post, Chris. What the hell do money and resources have to do w/ whether or not somene does something wrong ? Mugabe and Chevez have countries rich in resources, and they're pissing them away. More so w/ Mugabe, so far, but either way, both men are moronic, egocentric tryants who will let thier people suffer in the name of their leaders.
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Quote:Most ignorant, dim witted-? I have to keep raising the bar, now don't I?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
both men are moronic, egocentric tryants who will let thier people suffer in the name of their leaders.
At least Bush & Co. aren't letting THEIR peeps suffer...well, except for the families of the dead soldiers...oh, and the wounded Guys and Gals coming back that have limited or DELAYED benefits...
I mean, just IMAGINE if Bush was EGOCENTRIC....
More peeps- more money and resources- more ability to impose your will, that's all.
ChrisisallEDITED TO ADD: BTW, I forgive all your lack of insight, politically speaking- for you are almost the fan of the Buffster that I am...Did you see Chosen finally?
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Quote:Gladly I didn't fall for that one, I opposed that from the start.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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(Patriot Act anyone ? I. Told. You. So.) never are.
Quote:I really cannot agree with that in the least. I believe the correct action is to either impeach him or wait until he's out of office (I'd prefer impeachment), then have him prosecuted for crimes against humanity in international court. The Patriot Act (and a few other things) should be immediately revoked, and never used again.
Same principle here in the states, what with the Bush administrations concept of a Unitary Executive... regardless of how matters turn out, my one hope that brings a snarky smile to my face is just how fast the next sumbitch we elect is gonna USE that "Unitary Executive" power to bend Bush [...]
I wanna see the tears roll down that [his] face when the new administration railroads [him] in a rigged military tribunal and ships [him] off to Gitmo with extreme prejudice for a couple rounds of waterboarding.
Hmmm. I retract my above vote, and instead vote for George W. (That would be the first vote I'd ever have cast for him ;-) )
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Chavez decides, "That was easy. Think I'll have another"
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Second Venezuela TV is under fire
Venezuela's government has accused a TV station of inciting a murder attempt on President Hugo Chavez, hours after taking another network off the air.
It said footage shown on Globovision implicitly called for Mr Chavez to be killed. The station denies the claim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6699383.stm
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Communications Minister William Lara said Globovision had called for the death of Mr Chavez by airing footage of the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II with the song "This Does Not Stop Here" sung by Ruben Blades, now Panama's tourism minister.
"The conclusion of the specialists ... is that (in this segment) they are inciting the assassination of the president of Venezuela," Mr Lara said, as he filed a lawsuit against the news network at the state prosecutor's office.
Who are these mysterious 'specialists'? Is their name Hugo Chavez? Newspeak already?
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Globovision was the only TV station to air footage of a large demonstration against the government's growing control over the media.
Aha!
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
That bein said, Venezuela ain't my county, and ain't my business how they run their affairs, we should just leave that the hell alone.
This is the whole issue for me. MYOB.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Our meddling and nitpicking actually helped Castro remain in power by giving him an acknowledged opponent to rally his people against other than him, and here we are repeating the exact same mistake - if we don't like Chavez, just ignore him and snub him diplomatically, rather than pissing our tax dollars down a hole for black ops to piss off his whole country at us.
This has a ring of familiarity.....hmmmm....why am I thinking...IRAN! right now. My Iranian friends tell me revolution will only take 10 years, and it won't be bloody, if we'd butt out with the subversion, crap. My friend also says it would be a movement of pro democracy/pro westerization young educated people who may change thier minds about the pro-western part of that whole thing if we bomb them
Sorry, didn't mean to change the subject, I vote Mugabe
It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites
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Re: the above MYOB comments....
Maybe. But I've decided today to boycott all CITGO products, at least for a while. A bit of a shame since they tend to have the best price, quite often.
CITGO is basicly "the" Venezula oil company (as I understand it)
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