Crackdowns on the basics of democracy

POSTED BY: Geezer
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GEEZER

Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:15 AM

So who gets the tyrant of the week award, Chavez or Mugabe?

Quote:
President Hugo Chavez has refused to renew a licence for Radio Caracas TV, claiming the station actively tries to undermine his government.

Opponents say the president is limiting freedom of expression.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6695769.stm

Quote:
Police in Zimbabwe have raided the headquarters of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) in Harare and arrested as many as 200 activists.
The activists were taken away in police vans, though the MDC's Nelson Chamisa said police had no search warrant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6695061.stm

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREDGIBLET

Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:27 AM

Is this the new Fascist Idol?

I'm gonna vote for Mugabe, what number I send the text message to?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Is this the new Fascist Idol?

I'm gonna vote for Mugabe, what number I send the text message to?

LOL.... Fascist Idol. That's classic.

These guys are amatuers. Any American politician could tell you that when you're stripping people of their liberties, you do it just a little bit at a time and give them enough toys and bullshit to promote just the right level of misdirection so they don't even notice it when you're pissing all over their freedom and Constitution.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:41 AM

Mugabe. I'm worried. My church is sponsoring its 3rd generation of exchange students from a single family there. The grandfather ( my age, 55) is a progressive business man, educator, and fairly high level member of the opposition party there.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:46 PM

Although it pains me to say it, Chavez has some cause, and justification thanks in part to OUR interferance - televising criticism is one thing, directly supporting a coup attempt(s) is not, and he's been overall pretty tolerant about it so far.

Do your homework.

Our meddling and nitpicking actually helped Castro remain in power by giving him an acknowledged opponent to rally his people against other than him, and here we are repeating the exact same mistake - if we don't like Chavez, just ignore him and snub him diplomatically, rather than pissing our tax dollars down a hole for black ops to piss off his whole country at us.

Have we, in the end, learned NOTHING from our failures ?

Mugabe, on the other hand, is pure scum, and scum we support, again with your tax dollars and mine, just like The Shah, Saddam, Osama, Papa Doc, and all the rest, and will boomerang in the same way, costing us even more in the long run.

The more I watch this bullshit, the more convinced I am that we need to fire everyone at the state dept, and forcibly close and prosecute more than half our alphabet agencies.

This is like showing up with a fuel tanker and trying to use it to put out a tire fire, none of the results can possible be good.

As for assaults on democracy, these guys are pikers compared to our current regime, all 1.5 parties of it (Republicrats!), with us poor frogs all a-boiling.

Stop the planet, I wanna get off.

-Frem

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:33 PM

Thank you 6ix and Frem.

I saw a bystander killed during the demonstrations three years ago by what I'm sure was a provocateur/ sniper. Yeah, we're meddling in Venezuela. Always were.

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Always look upstream.

GEEZER

Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:32 PM

Oops. I had forgotten that the ends of dictators justify the means, because everything is America's fault. What a world. What a world.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREDGIBLET

Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
This is like showing up with a fuel tanker and trying to use it to put out a tire fire, none of the results can possible be good.

Oh I disagree completely, I think the results of this can't possibly be bad (as long as I'm at least a couple hundred yards away with my popcorn).

P.S. Sorry for not being serious

P.P.S. Fire!!...Fire!!

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:49 PM

It's called cause and effect, Geeze, a simple, logical process even other mammals can generally figure out on their own, why not politicians ?

Prolly cause they're freakin reptiles or something.

We meddle, and it boomerangs, every time we go stickin our tax dollars into something overseas it's like a goddamned monkeytrap - only eventually a MONKEY *WILL* let go of the banana!

Why are we not smart enough to do that ?
Are we not smarter than a monkey ?

No, you can't have the banana, get your hand out of the jar.

Ook Ook Eek Ack!

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

LEADB

Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:36 PM

I'll have to vote for Mugabe.

Though the situation in Venezuela concerns me more; Zimbabwe is pretty much shot as a democracy. Venezuela on the other hand is merrily marching down the road of dismantlement of actual democracy. Unfortunately, if you do not have a good historical sense, it is all too easy to hand over too much power to the top fellow. The people of Venezuela must trust Chavez implicitly at this point (otherwise, I cannot explain the reported behavior); even if Chavez keeps the best interests of his people at heart (not that I'm clear he does), some day someone is going to pickup his mantle of authority...

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