I wish you all could rcognise

POSTED BY: Cache
UPDATED: Sunday, April 1, 2007 08:57
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Originally posted by Grizwald:
The man has a wife, and he has children who will need to go through college someday, and I assume he has a mortgage, and a powerful need to eat.

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I'm not going to troll through this whole page again for comments like this, but I know there's a lot of them. There always are in these threads. And I want to vomit at their triteness everytime I see them.

If Joss can't feed his kids, that's his own damn problem and not even Kaneman's. If he can't afford his kids educations by the time they were ready to go he blew it all on cocaine, hookers and gambling... because that's the ONLY way he could even spend all of that money by then.

I never got my degree..... I never had a free ride.

Do I really have to bring up the topic of how the RIAA and the MPAA don't do anything to protect the rights of artists other than give a lot of lip service that they are protecting the rights of the artists? They protect the content that the major motion picture studios, TV studios and record labels pirated from the artists via heavy-handed contracts and huge legal teams to back them up. The Artists literally have to sell their souls to be signed. Artists are forced into prostitution and rarely is there anything in their contracts that gives them any control over thier work anymore. Those days are over.

This is how Big Entertainment has so much power. Then they suckered good people like you into believing this crap.

I'm not telling you to go and steal everything. I'm just imploring you and people who agree with this to stop buying their bullshit. Support and promote works that aren't mainstream. Anything that isn't attached to a major record label or movie production studio. Make it so completely undesirable for any artist to even consider signing with a major established label. Nobody would sign their contracts if the people were buying elsewhere.

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Cache:

How about this for a fan-promotional idea:

Everybody send a copy of the Firefly series DVD (as opposed to a DVD of Serenity) to Vivendi-Universal, along with a condolence letter over their loss of BSG.

"Dearest Vivendi-Universal, d.b.a., The SciFi Channel:

Please accept my heartfelt condolences over your loss of the most popular and fascinating show currently on television. You must all be heartbroken that such a good, young show has come to such an early end.

Please also accept, as a small token of my esteem in your time of grief, the enclosed DVD of another science fiction television show that came to an even earlier, unfortuitous and unfinished end. Perhaps you've heard something of it. I'm sure you'll enjoy the story.


Sincerely,

Yore Nayme Heere

P.S.
If you enjoy the DVD, be sure to commend Loni Peristere and his ZOIC teammates for making the SFX look so good on it. He's still got offices on your lot, somewhere, although not for long since he'll be made unemployed once BSG closes.

Have a beautiful day."

Then we time it so that we all mail on the same day, resulting in several thousand (hopefully) Firefly DVDs hitting their mail room within a day or two, all with a sweet little "We're so sorry you lost BSG" letter.

We might also further suggest that Viv-Uni redistribute the DVDs to lending libraries around the country...



Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Time for bed. Tomorrow, perhaps.
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Hey Cache.... I'm really liking this idea here. Got two things for you here:

I'm not a lawyer, and though I think I have a more firm grip on LEGALSPEAK than a lot of the proles because I actually read the fine print to what I'm signing, sometimes I just don't grasp certain verbage or my ADD kicks into high gear and I read some of it 5 times just to realize that none of it sank in and I need to start over again.

Not sure which is the case here.

My question, and this is the way I understand it, does this mean that everyone who wanted to burn 33 copies of the first disk, and mail them out with a message, say "Let Sci-Fi know you love Firefly", and "Buy the boxed set to see more", or just a "Save our Show" have the ability to do that under the $1,000.00 mark, or is this a collective thing that would not protect a group effort?

I know we've got some lawyer Browncoats here. I'm wondering if we have any lawyer types haning around this thread that might be able to shed some light on the legality of this situation as it is written here.


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Second thing was, if we can prove to hesitant Browncoats that this is a legal strategy (assuming at this point,of course, that it is a legal strategy in the first place), I was thinking it would be a great Idea if we loaded some of our own BDE (Big Damn Extras) on the Demos. Get some of our most brilliant creative minds together to collaborate on a fan vid, a Firefly Desktop theme, ringtones of character's voices.... anything that would be bound to get even more attention and make the reach even further. Of course the legality of all of this would have to be considered before it was added as well.

I think this is a great idea and if we can stop talking about irrelevancies that we've been discussing in here and actually get some minds together working on it, we may have a very effective viral marketing scheme here if we can launch it within the realm of legality.



EDIT: I like Zoid's idea too. No reason why we can't do a couple of things all together.



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Originally posted by zoid:

Cache:

How about this for a fan-promotional idea:

Everybody send a copy of the Firefly series DVD (as opposed to a DVD of Serenity) to Vivendi-Universal, along with a condolence letter over their loss of BSG.

"Dearest Vivendi-Universal, d.b.a., The SciFi Channel:

Please accept my heartfelt condolences over your loss of the most popular and fascinating show currently on television. You must all be heartbroken that such a good, young show has come to such an early end.

Please also accept, as a small token of my esteem in your time of grief, the enclosed DVD of another science fiction television show that came to an even earlier, unfortuitous and unfinished end. Perhaps you've heard something of it. I'm sure you'll enjoy the story.


Sincerely,

Yore Nayme Heere

P.S.
If you enjoy the DVD, be sure to commend Loni Peristere and his ZOIC teammates for making the SFX look so good on it. He's still got offices on your lot, somewhere, although not for long since he'll be made unemployed once BSG closes.

Have a beautiful day."

Then we time it so that we all mail on the same day, resulting in several thousand (hopefully) Firefly DVDs hitting their mail room within a day or two, all with a sweet little "We're so sorry you lost BSG" letter.

We might also further suggest that Viv-Uni redistribute the DVDs to lending libraries around the country...



Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Time for bed. Tomorrow, perhaps.
_________________________________________________

"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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Zoid,

I am off to bed as well, and i feel your tiredness.
I love your idea it is actually brilliant. Yet
we do need a mailing list to make sure that we
have a huge number sending the DVDs at the same
time. Otherwise it is a waste of our money and
emotion.

However, why are you still resisting and deflecting
my original idea, now that I have proven it to
be legal? You are a most intelligent and eloquent
individual but you refuse to see my plan as
viable? I don't understand. We can skate under
the limits of illegal distribution easily, aviod
civil suits by creating income for FOX, and (god
willing) bring back Firefly by creating a huge
buzz, that continually spreads until everyone
in the country (hopefully ) owns the
Firefly boxed set? Where is the harm in that?
Where do you still find fault in my fully legal
plan? F it i'll put my own return address on
the first 33 copies I send out (yes you have made
me a bit paranoid I will play this on the safe
side... grrr). I will have broken no laws and I
will sleep quite soundly after I do it. I just
wish that you in all your eloquence would be so
kind as to write my cover letter which would be
included in my mailer.

Frustratedly,
Cache

Edit: damn proved vs proven... how to choose when
you are in a typing frenzy, god bless for edits

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Hey Cache.... I'm really liking this idea here. Got two things for you here:

I'm not a lawyer, and though I think I have a more firm grip on LEGALSPEAK than a lot of the proles because I actually read the fine print to what I'm signing, sometimes I just don't grasp certain verbage or my ADD kicks into high gear and I read some of it 5 times just to realize that none of it sank in and I need to start over again.

Not sure which is the case here.

My question, and this is the way I understand it, does this mean that everyone who wanted to burn 33 copies of the first disk, and mail them out with a message, say "Let Sci-Fi know you love Firefly", and "Buy the boxed set to see more", or just a "Save our Show" have the ability to do that under the $1,000.00 mark, or is this a collective thing that would not protect a group effort?

I know we've got some lawyer Browncoats here. I'm wondering if we have any lawyer types haning around this thread that might be able to shed some light on the legality of this situation as it is written here.


------

Second thing was, if we can prove to hesitant Browncoats that this is a legal strategy (assuming at this point,of course, that it is a legal strategy in the first place), I was thinking it would be a great Idea if we loaded some of our own BDE (Big Damn Extras) on the Demos. Get some of our most brilliant creative minds together to collaborate on a fan vid, a Firefly Desktop theme, ringtones of character's voices.... anything that would be bound to get even more attention and make the reach even further. Of course the legality of all of this would have to be considered before it was added as well.

I think this is a great idea and if we can stop talking about irrelevancies that we've been discussing in here and actually get some minds together working on it, we may have a very effective viral marketing scheme here if we can launch it within the realm of legality.



EDIT: I like Zoid's idea too. No reason why we can't do a couple of things all together.



"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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6string,

I honestly don't know. I am quite good at
comprehending what i read and from the law it
seems that any individual can copy and distribute
any media protected by the general C law as long
as the market value of said media is under $1000.
Twice a year! I would greatly appreciate any
input from lawyer types as to wether or not we
can skirt under the alliance radar with this. It
would be beautiful. In combination with Zoid's
idea with a DVD spam to Sci-Fi, and a combined
effort regarding linking the two campaigns, well
the results could be devistatingly fantastic.
I wonder if those two words have ever been used
together in a sentence before. Anyway it is
really time for sleep. Thanks again.

P.S. Its quite possible I missed something in the
show since I have only watched it 2x through but
does you name not refer to the amazing film from
the 90's Six String Samurai (pulling samurai from
Samurai Jack)?

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Originally posted by Cache:
P.S. Its quite possible I missed something in the show since I have only watched it 2x through but does you name not refer to the amazing film from the 90's Six String Samurai (pulling samurai from Samurai Jack)?

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Sx3, Guilty as charged. Suprised anybody got that. Great movie. Maybe you seen my geetar in the pic threads?

Picked up the Jack cause I like poker so much and 6ixStringKing was already taken at the first site I was going to use it. Turns out I like Jack a whole lot better anyways. Most people just assume it's cause my name is Jack.



Don't feel bad only seein' Firefly twice. Much as I love the show, I've only seen it once. I usually give anything at least a year before I watch it again. Actually... it's about a year since I first seen it now. The longer I go without, the newer it feels to me when I watch it again.

That's why I love this site. I never thought I would. I always assumed that fansites were just a bunch of nerds who watch the show a billion times and can point out all the little things that unfans don't see. Turns out it ain't like that at all here and even the uberfans are pretty damn cool. Still the best show ever made.

BTW... what do you think about the BDE idea?

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Cache inquired:

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...However, why are you still resisting and deflecting
my original idea, now that I have proven it to
be legal? ...

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Well, that's the sticking point, isn't it? Have you proven it to be legal? I read the ordinances you provided; but are these the only ones that apply? You admit not being a lawyer, and yet you assert that you have correctly interpreted these particular codes.

Have you ever heard the expression 'jailhouse lawyer'? It's generally used in a derogatory sense, roughly meaning, 'someone who knows just enough about the law to get themselves out of the frying pan and into the fire'. Don't freak on me, now. I'm not calling you a jailhouse lawyer. What I am saying is that, until a bona fide legal interpretation is provided of these and any other pertinent laws that might apply, I could not endorse such an action.

As 6SJ has aptly pointed out, there may be further legal ramifications for the type of organized action you are proposing, as opposed to a single individual doing such. Likewise, as 6SJ has further pointed out, there are actual lawyers that frequent these boards (although this may or may not be in their area of specialized expertise). I only wish I could remember at least one of their screen names...

To answer your question, and 6SJ's ensuing postulate, then:
If it does happen to be completely legal -- or at least defensible in a court of law -- then I would say, "Hey, we should all try this." But that hasn't been proven to my satisfaction, at this point.

I know enough about the Law, to know that I know virtually nothing about the Law...except this: "A man who acts as his own lawyer has a fool for a client." We have the right to defend ourselves; but the fact is that if you're going up against a team of high-paid lawyers, you'd better have a crack team of defense lawyers at your disposal. Either that or just save some time by pulling your pants down as you enter the courtroom, cuz you're gonna get your hide tanned. Funny part is, if you did have a lawyer, the chances are they'd be able to turn the keys in the locks of Justice, that you don't even know exist based on a casual reading of the code. The Law -- especially where highly expert corporate lawyers would be arrayed against you -- ain't nothing to be playing with.

If it's legal, I'd go for it. But it's gotta be safe, because I (like many others hereabouts) have got a family to consider. I would not risk my ability to provide for them on an ill-advised scheme to promote an entertainment, even one as singular as Firefly. Neither would I say to the younger generation that they should jeopardize their futures in such manner, because one day they might want to have a family, or at least be productive participants in our society, too.

Maybe you and 6SJ should start a new thread, calling for those forum members who are actual lawyers to evaluate your proposal. Include the law snippets you provided above, and restate your original proposal in a less 'you guys are lame' manner. With any sort of luck, you won't have so alienated the 'coats that they instantly start flaming...and you won't get any 'support' from piracy-for-profit advocates, which only serves to nullify your arguments.

The appeal of my promotional idea is that it is totally legal and beyond reproach, morally as well as legally. It would cost the participants c. $24 plus postage to play along, about what one might spend to take a date to a (crappy) movie. So, like your plan (less the questionable legality), it's not gonna break anybody's budget of either time or money to participate. And I know for a fact that there are Browncoats all over this planet that would happily piss on a spark plug if there was a snowball's chance in Hell that it would jump-start Firefly...

To conclude this post:
If your scheme proves to be unassailable under law, then I'd have no qualms about participating in it. Furthermore, I seek no credit/recognition for my idea. I enjoy my anonymity, my

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Originally posted by zoid:
Cache inquired:

Quote:

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...However, why are you still resisting and deflecting
my original idea, now that I have proven it to
be legal? ...

---

Well, that's the sticking point, isn't it? Have you proven it to be legal? I read the ordinances you provided; but are these the only ones that apply? You admit not being a lawyer, and yet you assert that you have correctly interpreted these particular codes.

Have you ever heard the expression 'jailhouse lawyer'? It's generally used in a derogatory sense, roughly meaning, 'someone who knows just enough about the law to get themselves out of the frying pan and into the fire'. Don't freak on me, now. I'm not calling you a jailhouse lawyer. What I am saying is that, until a bona fide legal interpretation is provided of these and any other pertinent laws that might apply, I could not endorse such an action.

As 6SJ has aptly pointed out, there may be further legal ramifications for the type of organized action you are proposing, as opposed to a single individual doing such. Likewise, as 6SJ has further pointed out, there are actual lawyers that frequent these boards (although this may or may not be in their area of specialized expertise). I only wish I could remember at least one of their screen names...

To answer your question, and 6SJ's ensuing postulate, then:
If it does happen to be completely legal -- or at least defensible in a court of law -- then I would say, "Hey, we should all try this." But that hasn't been proven to my satisfaction, at this point.

I know enough about the Law, to know that I know virtually nothing about the Law...except this: "A man who acts as his own lawyer has a fool for a client." We have the right to defend ourselves; but the fact is that if you're going up against a team of high-paid lawyers, you'd better have a crack team of defense lawyers at your disposal. Either that or just save some time by pulling your pants down as you enter the courtroom, cuz you're gonna get your hide tanned. Funny part is, if you did have a lawyer, the chances are they'd be able to turn the keys in the locks of Justice, that you don't even know exist based on a casual reading of the code. The Law -- especially where highly expert corporate lawyers would be arrayed against you -- ain't nothing to be playing with.

If it's legal, I'd go for it. But it's gotta be safe, because I (like many others hereabouts) have got a family to consider. I would not risk my ability to provide for them on an ill-advised scheme to promote an entertainment, even one as singular as Firefly. Neither would I say to the younger generation that they should jeopardize their futures in such manner, because one day they might want to have a family, or at least be productive participants in our society, too.

Maybe you and 6SJ should start a new thread, calling for those forum members who are actual lawyers to evaluate your proposal. Include the law snippets you provided above, and restate your original proposal in a less 'you guys are lame' manner. With any sort of luck, you won't have so alienated the 'coats that they instantly start flaming...and you won't get any 'support' from piracy-for-profit advocates, which only serves to nullify your arguments.

The appeal of my promotional idea is that it is totally legal and beyond reproach, morally as well as legally. It would cost the participants c. $24 plus postage to play along, about what one might spend to take a date to a (crappy) movie. So, like your plan (less the questionable legality), it's not gonna break anybody's budget of either time or money to participate. And I know for a fact that there are Browncoats all over this planet that would happily piss on a spark plug if there was a snowball's chance in Hell that it would jump-start Firefly...

To conclude this post:
If your scheme proves to be unassailable under law, then I'd have no qualms about participating in it. Furthermore, I seek no credit/recognition

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