I wish you all could rcognise

POSTED BY: Cache
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ORANGEHAT

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:57 PM

'Can't we all just get along'
Heh

First off LMAO to "what have you been smokin'" that was my exact train of thought and them BAM written right there under it. I have to agree with the sad terms that Firefly may never be coming back, and after crying for days I sucked it up and ..well now I'm here. And also with the virus thing though I must give kudos for thinking of a plan of action. I mean common, there wouldn't have been the movie (as it was stated over and over) if it weren't for devoted fans like yourself, lets just find a safe legal plan of action and not even the world can stop us...though its done a good job as of yet. Stupid world

I've noticed that many people have pointed out the flaws in this plan but I'm not entirely sure if they have offered a better idea (as I only read the first few and then skimmed) and I definitely don't have one...

That nerdy hat

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:04 PM

Mavourneen wrote:

Quote:
...BTW, If I got a random dvd in the mail from someone I didn't know, it would go live with the 4,000 other dvds I've received from aol. In the trash without a second glance.

Like I said, I think Cache's heart is in the right place, I really do.

Okay, so s/he stuck her/his foot in his/her own orifice, right off the bat. But, hey, let those of us who have never unintentionally insulted somebody on this board cast the first stone. I've still got folks on this board who are pissed at me because I've misunderstood their intent, and gone off half-cocked on them.

For me, it's all about intent to do harm, intent to give umbrage. Cache stepped on the toes of some hard-battled Browncoat guerillas, true. But, I reckon s/he was just really excited to be suggesting a new approach...

Having said that, I'm convinced that the approach s/he forwarded would be nothing less than disastrous for everyone who loves Firefly. 'Viral marketing' is not the same thing as copyright infringement on a massive scale, using the Federal postal system as a delivery mechanism. ...And even s/he admitted that people would get arrested, tried and convicted.

That's just lunacy. Even if it worked and Vivendi-Universal said, "Hey! People really like this Firefly/Serenity stuff! Let's make lots more!", that'd be pretty hard biscuits to take when you're in prison and the bull-queers/dykes only want to watch "My Name is Earl" on the communal TV, when Firefly is on.

...And when the murderers and rapists asked you what you did to get incarcerated, would you want to trade on your rep as the guy who 'viral marketed' Firefly, to keep your backside squeaky clean?

Like I said before: This is a disastrously bad idea, regardless its intent to be helpful. The only reason why I even piped up on this subject is to avoid anyone coming to the conclusion that it might actually work, beyond improving their 'love life'...

As to getting a CD-R in the mail, along with a heart-felt letter encouraging me to introduce it to my home entertainment network... (*stops typing until the laughter, hiccuping, and tears cease*) ...ummm, sure, I'd do that.

But seriously, I wouldn't throw it away. They make lovely frisbees/doggie chew toys (at least, for the doggies you're trying to promote to The Great Kennel In The Sky).

Responsively,

zoid

P.S.
Don't get me wrong. I didn't seriously think anyone here would join Cache in her/his scheme. But, you never know. There might be some impressionable types who mistakenly believe there's very little difference between obtaining MP3s from a friend, and distributing those MP3s to thousands of unsuspecting strangers (any number of whom might be law enforcement personnel) by means of a CD-R through the freakin' USPS. They're both a violation of the law, but one of them is downright idiotic. Being able to tell the difference between the two may be more difficult than you'd expect for the inexperienced, if well-intentioned Browncoat...

Did you ever do anything as a young person that you realize today was just plain, catastrophically stupid? Personally, I've got a whole raft of 'em; but they made some sort of hormonally-charged sense at the time...
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

FLYVOTE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:17 PM

Zoid: only want to watch "My Name is Earl" on the communal TV

Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

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KANEMAN

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:38 PM

Haken also wrote,
"While the majority of these directory sites list television programs and movies, some do have listings for commercial software--such as Sharereactor."

So, it is obvious he was not against pirating. He states they contain TV and Movies. What makes downloading FF or Serenity any different than any other show? At least Haken and I agree...Pirating is good...really good, and cheap. The rest of you can [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

Oh, he starts his blog by saying...."I AM BUMMED!"

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:53 PM

FlyVote suggested:

Quote:
...Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

Now, there's a viral marketing idea. Somebody do an amateur production of that and stick it on 'WhomeverToob'. I'd watch it.

v/r,
-zed
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

FLYVOTE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

FlyVote suggested:
Quote:
...Firefly spin-off: My Name is Early

Jubal makes up for all of the bad things that he has done.

Now, there's a viral marketing idea. Somebody do an amateur production of that and stick it on 'WhomeverToob'. I'd watch it.

v/r,
-zed
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Simon: Are you Jason Lee?
Early: Am I Jay's son Lee?
Simon: What?

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ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:35 PM

Howdy, kaneman.

I know I'm gonna regret this, but, I just gotta respond.

First, I reckon you're really just itching for a conflict of opinions. So, consider that hankerin' scratched, cuz here it comes...

Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context.

Third, a wrongdoer always looks to find a way to get someone else to join them in wrong-doing. Why not just break the law privately, in the comfort of your own psyche, and leave others out of it? Is it some sort of 'Misery loves company' impulse?

Fourth, if you could afford to legally buy the things you steal, would you? Is it simply about not having enough money? Or do you steal everything that comes within easy reach of your hot little fingers? (*zoid suddenly has mental image of kaneman exiting local supermarket, with vest stuffed full of beef roasts, a la 'Pinto' in "Animal House" (available from kaneman on CD-R, $5US)*)

Fifth, if it was your digital product that a quasi-kaneman was downloading, would you be more pissed if he subsequently sold it in quantity from his fleamarket stall/the back of his conversion van (with orange shag carpeting)? Or would you just chuckle to yourself, and privately congratulate the chap on being such a cunning entrepreneur?

These aren't trick questions. There's no gray area in which you operate. A group of high school friends sharing MP3s is against the law. But if they then burn CDs and sell them to all their classmates, that's a crime in every sense of the word.

If Haken, or anyone else, sips from the digital fountain, that's their business, as long as they accept the potential consequences should The Big Shark (law enforcement) gulp up their particular school of minnows, at random. But when kaneman, or Haken -- or anyone else -- starts profiting from that stream, then they're pissing in the communal watering hole and that hurts everyone.

Such piracy raises the prices for everyone, and makes it financially impossible for new works to be produced. Right now, there are a dearth of new games for the PC, because piracy has killed the goose that laid its stolen golden eggs. Pirating console games is a much tougher business, since the boxes must be modded (crack the case and solder a chip to the board, typically) in order to run writable media. Nobody's gonna get rich selling pirated PS2 or XBox games, and that's a fact.

The corporate response to piracy, then? Tons of new games for consoles, none for the PC. Furthermore, most of the console games could be ported to the PC, but what'd be the point? The game developer will never recoup their expenditures to do so, because pirates will rob them blind before the games ever hit the shelves.

It's wrong. You, kaneman, are wrong. What you do, what others like you do, is wrong. You're ruining a golden age of information for everyone else. Worse still, you're trying to encourage others -- naive people -- to join you, by using the tired old argument, "Everyone else is doing it". No, they're not.

If I knew who you were, I'd turn you in to the police.

Conflictingly,

zoid

P.S.
You could always stop what you're doing. Just a suggestion.
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"Good luck in prison." -Hobson, Arthur

GHOULFISH

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:

Calling me a troll, spell flames, all strawmen. If you don't agree with me that is fine, let us
not stoop to insults.

I understand that many of you might be insulted
by my initial post and I am sorry. I was a bit
emotionally charged at the time and not really as
informed as I should have been before I opened my
mouth. You have all done alot and for that I
commend you.

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

Yes lending out your boxed sets is all well and
good, but the turn around time is long. Very long.
How long until you can "infect" someone else?
Hence using antiquated delivery systems (USPO)
in combination with modern marketing techniques
(viral distribution) The growth in the fanbase
would be exponential. Again the poignant letter
is the key.

Disagree with my ideas and methods if you will,
I have put in my 2 platinum and said my peace,
but I would much prefer it if you would help me.
My budget does not run that high at the moment.

Okay now i understand more of where you are coming from (I appologise for my emotionaly charged comment also). Sometimes on this forum we get people who log on once and start calling us idiots so you can see where my reation was coming from. I still think that a viral method would skew some of the sales figures (in a bad way) a bit and since most of the company's which would consider taking up Firefly look at sales figures.

I like the 1 disk teaser idea but that method might prove costly and some parts of the government may take offense to it.

Again sorry for my last post - i got the wrong impression (i hope)

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 PM

FlyVote continued, in a "My Name Is Early" vein:

Quote:
Simon: Are you Jason Lee?
Early: Am I Jay's son Lee?
Simon: What?

I think he should start with a refuge for abused golden retrievers...

v/r,
-zed
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

ZOID

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 PM

The FFFn server sneezed, and lo, an exact replica of zoid's previous post manifested itself.

v/r,
-zed

P.S.
Gesundheit!
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"I aim to misbehave." -Capt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity, a.k.a. 'the BDBOF'

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