I wish you all could rcognise

POSTED BY: Cache
UPDATED: Sunday, April 1, 2007 08:57
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OUT2THEBLACK

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:10 PM

" It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled , or where the doer of deeds
could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena , whose face is marred by dust and
sweat and blood , who strives valiantly , who errs and comes short again and again , who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions , and spends himself in a worthy cause , who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he
fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither
victory nor defeat . "

--Theodore Roosevelt
From a speech given in Paris at the Sorbonne in 1910

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" When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."

--Leonardo da Vinci

SHUKES

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:10 PM

I'm going to have to disagree with the misguided and quite frankly moronic idea.

What Browncoats have done is nothing short of miraculous, i am a fairly new firefly obsessive and if it wasn't for them getting a movie made id never heard of it, let alone joined the fight to get it back any way i can. I was taken to see Serenity by a friend who had seen the series some how and fell in love with the characters and world so bought the dvd. Hell I dont join message boards for anything and i did for firefly because its so amazing.

I say all this to make the following point, none of this would have happen were it not for the Browncoats so id say they probably have a damn sight better idea of how to fight for this show than you, they've got the experience.

In Summation; put your brain in gear first before opening your mouth. Remember wisdom is knowing that you infact know almost nothing.

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cache:
We are talking
about a show where the protagonists are basicly
pirates and you take the high ground when I
mention copying the DVDs as a method to induce
others to purchase them? You could cut that
irony with a knife.

Work of fiction ........ Real life

Darling, you might want to look those up.

Anyway, it's not about being puritanical, it's about what works. For instance, attacking a group of people who have been devoted to a cause for years, preaching down to them as if they're idiots and you're a god... not the best way to win anyone over. (Except one schmoe whose sole purpose on this site is to argue.)

Think about it. Walk soft and be not an ass, it works better. Especially when you're talking about PR.

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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:03 PM

Haken Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57

"Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network."

"What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network."

Hey [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

These are Haken's words from a blog. Haken has done more than most. Does he seem anti-(well)Hacker?

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

......End of story

PDCHARLES

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:45 PM

I don't see anything in that blog about downloading the shows, then burning them, and then selling them for profit. THE very issue from which I developed a rant. Notice the use of phrases like “the only way”. If Cache's solution were the only way to promote Fireflys story to thems that need it told, I guess I’d go for it. …sans the theft and profit part you suggested. But it is not.

Let's recap:
Theft, Bad.
Peer-to-Peer file sharing, not against it.

How is the view from that limb your on?

LIVEBROWN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:11 PM

I would be very interested in seeing the numbers of Firefly/Serenity converts that have come from pirated disks vs legal purchased copies. I personally was converted by being given the series as a present and I have done the same to many of my family + friends. I have also loaned out my extra disks on a regular basis which is great coz once I claim them back almost ALL of these people buy their own.

The brilliant browncoats know that by having multiple copies and sharing them via loan or often unwanted xmas and b'day presents(LOL) you are not only helping to share the best series/movie ever made but you are also telling the networks in the only way they understand that we want a BDS!! They dont care about how many people use torrents, they want to know sales figures(see : Done the impossible).

How many people that are given a free copy actually go out and buy the orig version? Then of those people how many share the pirate version with their friends who also dont buy the orig disks. If you were a TRUE browncoat you would understand what the rest of us are saying.

Another thing, without the shiny packaging that shows how tight the captains pants are, surely that hurts our female conversion numbers?

GHOULFISH

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:41 PM

welcome to fff.net

now say sorry or go away before i cybersmack you to troll country

Firefly is described as a scifi cult classic, our support helped to make the BDM, we are unorganised because we lack the information to do otherwise than writing letters, sending emails and supporting Joss.

Virus and Pirating tactics do more damage than good, even a troll suchs as yourself should realize that.

Maybe you are having a failure to communicate
and, learn how to spell

http://picasaweb.google.com/ghoulfish/Hiahiah/photo#504383828540607891
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TDBROWN

Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Haken Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57

"Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network."

"What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network."

Hey [MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]

These are Haken's words from a blog. Haken has done more than most. Does he seem anti-(well)Hacker?

[MOD EDIT: Please refrain from personal attacks]
......End of story

Haken's post is about watching, not stealing, US TV Shows. If it's like the shows you can watch and download on cbs.com and abc.com, they include the commercials. IOW, it's part of the way the networks do business. It's not some clever pirating scheme; It's just another way for TV Stations to get you to watch their Programs, which is the equivalent of getting you to watch their ADVERTISERS!

Get a life, Felon...

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

TROUBLEMAKER

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TDBrown:
Haken's post is about watching, not stealing, US TV Shows. If it's like the shows you can watch and download on cbs.com and abc.com, they include the commercials. IOW, it's part of the way the networks do business. It's not some clever pirating scheme; It's just another way for TV Stations to get you to watch their Programs, which is the equivalent of getting you to watch their ADVERTISERS!

Get a life, Felon...

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

Thats the problem right there. Most people cannot see the difference between "watching" and "distributing". If your plan is a way to "hurt" a company, I would think that would be a bad thing.

Now, here's the slippery slope that I think both sides are arguing. If you TiVo/PVR an episode and put it on a website to distribute, it would seem like fair game (it was aired on a public station, why not). For instance, if you Tivo/PVR Firefly on UHD or SciFi channel, then distributed it; I would say that would be a grey area (I believe you have to pay to receive UHD).

If you burned a copy of licensed product and then distributed it (regardless of whether or not you are making a profit), it would be piracy. Some dont see a distinction. If they want it and they can get for free, there is no problem.

CACHE

Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulfish:
welcome to fff.net

now say sorry or go away before i cybersmack you to troll country

Firefly is described as a scifi cult classic, our support helped to make the BDM, we are unorganised because we lack the information to do otherwise than writing letters, sending emails and supporting Joss.

Virus and Pirating tactics do more damage than good, even a troll suchs as yourself should realize that.

Maybe you are having a failure to communicate
and, learn how to spell

http://picasaweb.google.com/ghoulfish/Hiahiah/photo#504383828540607891
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Calling me a troll, spell flames, all strawmen. If you don't agree with me that is fine, let us
not stoop to insults.

I understand that many of you might be insulted
by my initial post and I am sorry. I was a bit
emotionally charged at the time and not really as
informed as I should have been before I opened my
mouth. You have all done alot and for that I
commend you.

However, my initial point still stands. Picture
this if you will. You have never heard of Firefly
or Serenity. One day a copy of Disc 1 arrives in
your mailbox at random. You watch it. Do you not
purchase the entire box set as soon as you can? Do
you not purchase the movie? Your moral dilemmas
aside this is a point where hundreds or thousands
can turn millions onto an excellent experience.
And maybe provide enough buzz to bring back what
one of the greatest science fiction writers of all
time OSC called the best sci-fi TV series ever.

Yes lending out your boxed sets is all well and
good, but the turn around time is long. Very long.
How long until you can "infect" someone else?
Hence using antiquated delivery systems (USPO)
in combination with modern marketing techniques
(viral distribution) The growth in the fanbase
would be exponential. Again the poignant letter
is the key.

Disagree with my ideas and methods if you will,
I have put in my 2 platinum and said my peace,
but I would much prefer it if you would help me.
My budget does not run that high at the moment.

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