I wish you all could rcognise
POSTED BY: Cache
UPDATED: Sunday, April 1, 2007 08:57
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Originally posted by nosadseven:
Cache, the irony here is that you are right - letters protests and petitions are not effective in these matters. However, letters, protests, and petitions are not the hallmarks of Browncoat efforts. What we've been doing is exactly what you're suggesting, only we've been doing it leagally. Instead of burning copies of DVDs, we have purchased extra sets to distribute. We put our money where our mouth is - so much, in fact, that many Browncoats have had trouble ordering copies from Amazon, because they think they are being purchased for resale!
We've been running guerrilla marketing campaigns, organizing charitable ventures in the name of Firefly and/or Serenity, and virally spreading the word since the before viral marketing was the in thing. In fact, we were so effective, Universal framed an entire marketing strategy around our efforts (though, not especially effectively). We have (or had, before things were tightened) fanvids all over YouTube and Google Video, we have thousands and thousands of five star reviews on Amazon, and (legal) copies of the DVDs being sent up on the next shuttle to find a permanent home in the International Space Station! We've donated DVDs to libraries across the country, troops serving our country (every Naval vessel has Firefly in their DVD library thanks to the DVDs for the Troops effort), and have arranged public screenings of Firefly and Serenity across the country.
So really, you're on the right track, you would just be served better to approach things a little more constructively, with a closer eye to the history.
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Ain't. We. Just.
'Nuff Said . 'F*X' those who disagree...
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" When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
--Leonardo da Vinci
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Although im but a newb in this vast new land that is FFF.net, I would like to state that Zoid is by far the most well spoken, thoughtfull and outright humourous b'coat I have met. Cheers mate!
Got me laughing at work which is impressive by anyones standards.
Id also like to mention that I had a workmate who was importing pirated DVD's from asia and selling them at a profit, I mentioned to him that it might be unfortunate if the police found out and he didnt get to see his kids for a few years. Interestingly he ceased this activity shortly after my comment. There is just no excuse!
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Originally posted by zoid:
Howdy, kaneman.
I know I'm gonna regret this, but, I just gotta respond.
First, I reckon you're really just itching for a conflict of opinions. So, consider that hankerin' scratched, cuz here it comes...
Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context.
Third, a wrongdoer always looks to find a way to get someone else to join them in wrong-doing. Why not just break the law privately, in the comfort of your own psyche, and leave others out of it? Is it some sort of 'Misery loves company' impulse?
Fourth, if you could afford to legally buy the things you steal, would you? Is it simply about not having enough money? Or do you steal everything that comes within easy reach of your hot little fingers? (*zoid suddenly has mental image of kaneman exiting local supermarket, with vest stuffed full of beef roasts, a la 'Pinto' in "Animal House" (available from kaneman on CD-R, $5US)*)
Fifth, if it was your digital product that a quasi-kaneman was downloading, would you be more pissed if he subsequently sold it in quantity from his fleamarket stall/the back of his conversion van (with orange shag carpeting)? Or would you just chuckle to yourself, and privately congratulate the chap on being such a cunning entrepreneur?
These aren't trick questions. There's no gray area in which you operate. A group of high school friends sharing MP3s is against the law. But if they then burn CDs and sell them to all their classmates, that's a crime in every sense of the word.
If Haken, or anyone else, sips from the digital fountain, that's their business, as long as they accept the potential consequences should The Big Shark (law enforcement) gulp up their particular school of minnows, at random. But when kaneman, or Haken -- or anyone else -- starts profiting from that stream, then they're pissing in the communal watering hole and that hurts everyone.
Such piracy raises the prices for everyone, and makes it financially impossible for new works to be produced. Right now, there are a dearth of new games for the PC, because piracy has killed the goose that laid its stolen golden eggs. Pirating console games is a much tougher business, since the boxes must be modded (crack the case and solder a chip to the board, typically) in order to run writable media. Nobody's gonna get rich selling pirated PS2 or XBox games, and that's a fact.
The corporate response to piracy, then? Tons of new games for consoles, none for the PC. Furthermore, most of the console games could be ported to the PC, but what'd be the point? The game developer will never recoup their expenditures to do so, because pirates will rob them blind before the games ever hit the shelves.
It's wrong. You, kaneman, are wrong. What you do, what others like you do, is wrong. You're ruining a golden age of information for everyone else. Worse still, you're trying to encourage others -- naive people -- to join you, by using the tired old argument, "Everyone else is doing it". No, they're not.
If I knew who you were, I'd turn you in to the police.
Conflictingly,
zoid
P.S.
You could always stop what you're doing. Just a suggestion.
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"Good luck in prison." -Hobson, Arthur
Hey, what the hell Zoid. How dare you bring logic and reason into a conversation like this.
I like how you dragged PC gaming into the subject. Its been a sore spot with me lately, due largely to dumbass pirates.
Its funny reading Kanes responses:
"{insert insult here}. I'm right because I havent been caught yet. Also, someone else does it and hasnt been caught yet, so there."
And just like any other criminal, when they are caught, they will whine and cry about cops, "its a victimless crime", "I'm innocent, I havent commited any crime", [ Nixon
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I agree with you about copies if you're not making money off of them. I think it's funny a bunch of people who object to being pirates when their favorite show and heros are pirates. Bunch of Alliance types in here.
I already do this and I have turned on some people to the show who have bought the series legitamately for themselves. Of course, not on a grand scale as I think you're proposing.
I like the 1 show or one disk teaser idea. Perhaps a well made fan advertisement of the show on the disk as well. Make a hundred copies of em and stick them in magazines at the store. That would only cost somebody about 20 bucks worth of materials and their free time. No money wasted on postage and no government sore at you cause you were using them to deliver the product. Just wear some blue gloves when handling those CD's and nobody will know it was you putting them in the magazines.
I think you have a great idea here and it shouldn't have been beaten up as badly as some people in here did. Methinks it was your delivery though. It was pretty insulting, and that's pretty much the first rule against winning an arguement.
Maybe somebody should put some scaled down models of Firefly's up all over Boston with shiny LED lights. They won't know what the hell those were unless they watched the show and you'll probably shut the whole city down again...lol.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Maybe somebody should put some scaled down models of Firefly's up all over Boston with shiny LED lights. They won't know what the hell those were unless they watched the show and you'll probably shut the whole city down again...lol.
Now, that'd be fun. =)
"My cartridge fell out of my gun..." - Nathan Fillion
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"Second, if you're gonna quote Haken, you might've at least included a link, so his words might be read in their original context, as opposed to excerpting them to fit your own context."
Go to his blog space here at FFF.net and read his blog 'sharereactor to shut down'.......make up your own mind. I never said that because Haken approves of pirating makes it okay for me to do it. I don't care. I do it because I can. I just thought the irony in a bunch of browncoats acting like b'coats don't do that kind of thing was...well, hilarious. Was there a better way to shove this irony in their faces than to let them read the words of the FFF.net GOD? I can't think of one....Good day.
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...So, forced to fill my own request, here's the link to Haken's blog that kaneman cited: http://fireflyfans.net/showblog.asp?b=275
It's dated 20 Mar 2004 (that's right, 3 years ago) and here's the entire page, quoted in context. Please note that the reader commentaries/questions are in reverse order, with the earliest comment/question at the bottom of the page, and responses/later comments above:
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Sharereactor taken offline
Well, I'm bummed. It seems this bit of news has had a cascading effect and a few other directory servers and a result have taken their listings offline temporarily until the Sharereactor situation has been resolved.
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FRAUENFELD (kapo) Due to the suspicion of breach of copyright and trademark laws the cantonal judicial Inquiry department of Thurgau has taken down an Internet-Site that served as a link platform for filesharing offerings. A process concerning these matters against the 25 year old owner from Frauenfeld is underway.
The Internet-Site located in Frauenfeld was online for about 30 months and last had over 220.000 hits per day bevor it was taken offline by the Thurgau officials. The in search engines toprated site worked as a anchorpoint for links to downloads of copyright and trademark protectet games and movies that were offered on the filesharing network.
After a complaint from several large corporations, represented by the swiss association against piracy, the cantonal judicial inquiry department of Thurgau initiated an investigation, seized the servers in Frauenfeld and had the site taken offline.
The responsible owner, a 25 year old swiss proved to be very cooperative in explaining matters at hand. The inquiries continue and will take some time.
Shiny
Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 16:21
>Just visit www.bucktv.net and you'll see what I mean.
It says 'under construction'...
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Haken
Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:57
Sharereactor and websites like it (such as www.bucktv.net) acts as a directory and contains links to files available on the eDonkey peer-to-peer file sharing network. Clicking on one of these links (much like clicking on a hyperlink in your browser) loads the file information into your eDonkey network client (eMule Plus is a good one). Once the information is loaded, your eDonkey network client then proceeds to download the file from the peer-to-peer network.
What makes these directories popular is that they contain links to television programs aired here in the US. So if you were to miss an episode of your favorite show (if you're in the US), you can simply download it and watch it. If you're not in the US, these network would be the only way for someone in a foreign country to watch an American television show. One could think of this as a poor man on-demand television network.
While the majority of these directory sites list television programs and movies, some do have listings for commercial software--such as Sharereactor.
As for whether this is legal or not, I'm not quite sure and perhaps someone else can shed some light. But the general feeling is that since they're only listing file info and not actually hosting the files themselves, it should be legal, which is why these directory sites continue to thrive on the net.
I hope I clarified this a bit for you by being not very technical.
Just visit www.bucktv.net and you'll see what I mean.
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Serena
Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 06:01
Haken, can you translate this into English for me?
Of particular interest to me is that Haken seems to be mourning the loss of access to broadcast TV shows, some of which may be inaccessible to viewers on an international basis. He mentions that software can be downloaded on some of the file servers (not that he does download movies/TV series/software and then burn and sell them to make a profit); but that he is "not quite sure" if "this is legal or not" -- probably speaking from the sense that he's not sure if the owners of ShareReactor could face jail ti
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of course...its all clear now. We suck! That explains a lot.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I like the 1 show or one disk teaser idea. Perhaps a well made fan advertisement of the show on the disk as well. Make a hundred copies of em and stick them in magazines at the store. That would only cost somebody about 20 bucks worth of materials and their free time. No money wasted on postage and no government sore at you cause you were using them to deliver the product.
I've had a similar thought a number of times, Jack. If were in marketing at Fox, I would give away copies of Firefly Disc One for free, and I'd grant blanket permission to copy the first disc.
Many a times, I'll meet someone and tell them about Firefly. If only I had a copy of Disc One to hand them, I bet I'd have twice the converts I do now.
So, Cache, if you really want to do effective viral marketing and don't give a damn about the law, don't waste your money pirating the whole series. Disc One is enough to hook 90% of the folks that the whole series would get, and they'll still go buy the boxed set, thus increasing our chances of getting a sequel or a second series.
"Some things stay with you, 'til the day you die."
On the Drift: Music Inspired by Firefly and Serenity, now on sale at
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bedlambards/from/celtic
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"Some things stay with you, 'til the day you die."
On the Drift: Music Inspired by Firefly and Serenity, now on sale at
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bedlambards/from/celtic
Hey! I have this CD in my car right now!
Another good way to share the love for Firefly!
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