The Definition of Hyprocracy
POSTED BY: Redlava
UPDATED: Sunday, December 31, 2006 14:57
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Quote:Oh Please. Jesus' teachings are common knowledge, one needn't believe in His divinity in order to discuss them. So, no Finn, this isn't a religious argument based on a religious text.
Originally posted by the King of Special Cases and Grand Marshal of Splitting Hairs, Finn mac Cumhal:
So basically this whole “Christians are hypocritical” stuff is a religious argument based on a religious text. Not actually, any kind of unbiased analysis. And here’s the biggest gem, some of the people making these accusations about Christians based on, according to you, the religious teachings of Jesus, are people who don’t even accept the religious teachings of Jesus. Now that actually sounds like it could be hypocritical, by definition.
Quote:Finn. Dude. Enough with the convenient framing of the debate. We're not talking about just any "people" supporting just any "violent video game," we're talking about the Christianoid ideologues who're marketing this Left Behind mess to children! Argh!
While I do agree with you that a literal interpretation of Jesus’ teachings would seem to guide those who follow such teachings to a conclusion of nonviolence, how does this necessarily make people who support violence video games hypocrites?
Quote:Specious nonesense attacking an argument no one is making. The makers of this here specific violent video game in question, the one where good cybernetic Christians mow down virtual unbelievers, claim that their nasty product can be a useful tool in bringing up good children in Christ. FYI: them's the ones people are accusing of hypocricy.
Jesus never said, to turn the other “virtual” cheek? So if a Christian who adheres to the nonviolence of Jesus (which I admit is a straightforward interpretation), plays a violent video game but is mature enough to recognize that the game is purely an entertainment vehicle, how is that a violation of Jesus’ teachings?
Quote:Okay Finn, maybe you're talking to somebody else now. If somebody's making broad generalizations about Christians being hypocrites, de facto, and not just the so-called Christians hawking this game, then they oughta be ashamed of themselves.
So whether I look at it from a purely secular point of view or a Christian perspective focusing on Jesus’ nonviolence, I still don’t find any reason to necessarily make broad generalization about Christians being hypocrites.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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I can only assume that the critics of this game have conveniently ignored my previous post where I quoted several sources -- including the game publisher -- that the "Christian" characters in this game are not supposed to kill anyone. I am assuming as much, as to acknowledge that fact, they would have to completely abandon their entire, anti-Christian argument as related to this game.
According to the sources I quoted previously, the "Christian" characters in this game (which, incidentally, is not a first person shooter, but a strategy game -- in third person, I imagine much like "The Sims") is to resist the anti-Christ and convert "neutral" characters to Christianity. "Christian" characters are penalized for even "accidentally" causing the death of any character.
However, these facts seem to be repeatedly ignored by those who want to use this game as ammo in their anti-Christian arsenal.
As a side note, I am not defending this game, only pointing out that this particular criticism of it is entirely unfounded.
When I first heard about this game (about a month ago), my initial reaction was a rather dumbfounded "Huh?!?!"
I did think (and still do), that it is a stupid idea for a game -- and I say this as both a Christian and a lifelong, avid gamer.
As others have correctly indicated, Jesus never condoned believers taking up arms -- even in defense.
So, even if the manufacturer's statement that believing characters can "defend" themselves (but are not to initiate hostilites) is true (and I have no reason to doubt that statement), "defense" against hostility is not something Christ has called believers to do. Even a precursory knowledge of the early church will demonstrate how believers had willingly turned themselves over to persecutors to be tortured and executed for the sake of the gospel.
As such, the only aspect of this game which (as far as I can tell) would be conducive to Christian conduct, would be "resisting evil" and the attempt to pursuade non-believers into accepting the gospel.
As neither "resisting evil" nor "pursuading non-believers into accepting the gospel" make for good gaming, I think the whole idea of this game is rather lame, and would not be something in which I'd have any interest.
That being said, the criticisms of this game which portray it as something where believers are supposed to kill non-believers are totally unfounded, erroneous, and typical of the anti-Christian hostility witnessed with patent regularity in this forum, and throughout the world in general.
Lastly, I also gather from statements made by CAUSAL and FINN that some sort of criticism has been directed at me. As I've stated previously elsewhere, it is my strict policy to completely ignore any poster who has, at some point, resorted to name-calling and/or outright lying about something another poster has said. As such, I automatically skip over anything posted (or quoted) by any such "ignored" posters.
Regarding whatever such posters may have said about me, I can only say that my posts speak for themselves, and are all a matter of public record -- which I stand by.
Thanks.
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Quote:Aw, c'mon Cartoon. I took my description of the game right off the website. And, I followed your links and found that what you posted was extremely excerpted, to the point of losing the sense of the review. And, BTW- I gather from the gae description that one is not supposed to kill "neutral" citizens... ones whose spirit points are in the gray area. But what about non-neutrals? What do you do with THEM? My guess is that's what the tanks are for.
That being said, the criticisms of this game which portray it as something where believers are supposed to kill non-believers are totally unfounded, erroneous, and typical of the anti-Christian hostility witnessed with patent regularity in this forum, and throughout the world in general.
If I had to pick a game to teach "positive values" it would have a lot more going for it than singing at people and praying for them. It would be internet-based role-playing and non-magical, where the goal is to build a civilization. And you'd have to find and convince real people at the other end of that internet connection to kick in some work into YOUR plan.
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Quote:Wow, lying is your favourite pastime huh. Just to set the record straight, Cartoon started to pretend to ignore me because I decidedly beat him in a debate, without lying and without name calling. He went away and came back a number of posts later with scores of insults totally unprovoked levelled at me, ranging from being stupid, non-Christian, evil, 'dickless' and other childish moronic little slights. He openly engaged in attacks with no purpose or even veiled attempt at addressing the actual debate, while also lying about what I said. He even accused me of actually being a terrorist and defiantly in support of terrorism, which given the fact I'm British and my parents were nearly killed by an IRA bomb is about as insulting as one can get. Frankly, not that Finn for instance gives a crap about the justification as long as the insults are only coming from his side, I have more than enough reason to openly insult Cartoon, especially given that every time he posts he insults me. I even attempted a reconciliation, and if anyone would like to see the response the PM's are still stored in my inbox.
Originally posted by cartoon:
Lastly, I also gather from statements made by CAUSAL and FINN that some sort of criticism has been directed at me. As I've stated previously elsewhere, it is my strict policy to completely ignore any poster who has, at some point, resorted to name-calling and/or outright lying about something another poster has said. As such, I automatically skip over anything posted (or quoted) by any such "ignored" posters.
Surely if Cartoon ignores all posters who openly name call and lie about other posters he should ignore himself? In fact he doesn't do this at all, he's singled out me, strangely enough exactly the tactics of Kaneman and River6213, despite the fact not only did I not once name call or lie prior to his decisions to 'ignore' me (and call me an evil 'dickless' terrorist), but I am certainly not the only poster who has name called here. Lets see, we have Hero, Auraptor, Finn, Rue, well just about every poster on the RWED has at one time or another, and some have directed them at Cartoon, who himself is guilty of what he apparently sees as a cardinal sin. It's the nature of this sort of political debate, everyone thinks they're right, everyone sees they're side as the one thats making life better for the majority of people, and by virtue of this the other side tends to get demonised, and the discussion can get heated. Despite this, despite the very obvious fact that I am far from the worse offender, and indeed didn't even offend before being 'punished' yet I am the only one singled out, I can only assume Cartoon's decision to ignore me has absolutely nothing to-do with the reasons he gives. More likely he realises that if he were to engage me in open honest debate not only would I tear his argument apart but I would make him look like the fool he is, no name calling or lying required. That and of course I've actually managed to workout who and what Cartoon really is.
It is my decided and considered opinion based on carefully reading each and every post by Cartoon, and nothing to-do with his opinions but more how he operates, that Cartoon is nothing more than another head on the Hydra-Troll that is RiveR6213 and Kaneman amongst others. It is fairly obvious (question since Cartoon has started posting more regularly has anyone heard from Kaneman at all? no?) and seems to only be denied by those posters like Finn who assume that since he's both Christian and Right-Wing he must be the 'best' poster on the entire site.
Take a look at his methods yourself, posting little inflammatory titbits then deleting them so as to act the 'victim' (as well as blatantly changing stance), blaming other posters for everything, obviously insulting people while attempting to make it seem like he's just generalising. Turning up on a board with a high content of scientifically minded people and spending most of his time posting thread after thread about how science is lying and evil. Seems to
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"Radical" Christian Fundamentalists are but the tiniest fraction of the estimated 250 Million Christians in America...and even they, as demented as they are... ie. the snake healers, and the gay bashing funeral protesters, are extremely tame when compared to radicals of Islam.
Fundamental Islamic Terror = Cutting off heads, blowing up innocent women & children, and murdering any infidels in their quest for Jihad.
Fundamental Christian Terror = The Sunday Bake Sale has been postponed.
So when goramm rutting idiots like that retarded low-life slob Rosie O'donnel equate the two as being the same I truly wonder how Americans tolerate that type of prejudicial hatred....answer : Christians
in America are tolerant of all...even those out to destroy them.
I'm Jewish....there has NEVER been any country in recorded history that has welcomed and befriended Jews like American Christians have for the last 250 years. I'm sick to death of Christian bashing in America..and it's getting worse every year...fueled by the liberal, godless secular progressive media who attempt to set themselves above the general population. Hollywood is the other domain of secular humanism...one need look no further than the vile, revolting lifestyles these purveyors of filth and trash lead to understand how important a religious and moral upbringing is for our children.
Happy New Year Browncoats!!!
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Sure if you ignore all the radical Christian terror groups because they don't fit into your world view.
Fundamental Christian Terror = Children sold into slavery, mass killings, bombings, blowing up abortion clinics...
Quote:Because well know Moral Alcoholic Drink Driver and Tolerant Anti-Semite Mel Gibson's 'Religious and Moral' upbringing did nothing but wonders for him.
Hollywood is the other domain of secular humanism...one need look no further than the vile, revolting lifestyles these purveyors of filth and trash lead to understand how important a religious amd moral upbringing is for our children.
I'm sure that the problems of Hollywood has absolutely nothing to do with setting up fallible human beings to the status of near gods, above the law and with money to buy do or indulge in anything they want. I'm sure that the religious, such as Mel Gibson, do not fall into this trap, and that if they ever appear to it is merely a function of 'Godless liberal media bias', possibly passed around by the predominantly right-wing media of the United States.
This is because, as you seem to imply, Christians and other religious people ARE fundamentally better people than the evil Godless Secularists, who as we know just think they're better.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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