Renouncing my ways...
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Thursday, October 19, 2006 08:18
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Quote:Ah, the many sides of Wes.
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
EDIT: Wesley doesn't stay that annoying, does he? Please tell me he gets more likable.
Wesley’s main role in Buffy’s third season is to be so insufferable that everyone around him becomes cooler by comparison (even Giles, who now gets to be the rebel rather than the authority figure). When Wesley returns, they bend him away from that and turn him into more of a loveable buffoon--and the rest, they say, is television history, as his character grows and expands in unanticipated new ways. I can’t make any guarantees, but I suspect that by the last time you see him, you’ll love the guy.
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The other cool thing about Wesley (that you may or may not know): Alyson Hannigan married him. 
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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
The other cool thing about Wesley (that you may or may not know): Alyson Hannigan married him.
She did? Awwww...
The journey continues. As I watched my latest disc (disc five of season three), I started reflecting on the best episodes vs. my favorite episodes. "Doppelgangland" and "Earshot" are probably the best episodes that I've watched so far, but "Lover's Walk" is still my favorite (if it has Spike in it, I'm there with bells on
).Everything about the series has become more sophisticated, from the acting to the fight scenes. It really makes me wonder though. Firefly was extremely well-done in its first season, something Buffy had to work up to. If Firefly had been given seven seasons, can you guys imagine what an amazing show we would have had?
*sigh*
Must stop now, getting depressed.
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"Oooh, synchronizers!"
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Quote:If that's the case, you have nowhere to go but up.
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
"Lover's Walk" is still my favorite (if it has Spike in it, I'm there with bells on
Season 3 has been refered to as the 'Sgt. Pepper' season, that is, the most consistantly excellent with no let-downs.
But many individual eps in seasons that follow are better, and Spike drops by more often.
Enjoy.
Nancy boy Chrisisall
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
EDIT: Wesley doesn't stay that annoying, does he? Please tell me he gets more likable.
Wesley's growth and changes are only rivaled by Spike:
Wes goes from annoying prick (I did try to come up with a better word...but sometimes you have to say it)
to well meaning goof
to earnest side kick
to dark mystery man
to all out James Bond (if Jame Bond actually had serious layers)
But all his growth takes place on 'Angel' so I guess it isn't really a discussion for the Buffy forum, is it?
(I do love my Wesley!)
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I had another thought (a common occurence, I'm noticing ). In a few days, I'll be starting Angel. However, I've heard a lot less about this show than Buffy (almost nothing, in fact). So what are people's opinions? Does the original have more to offer? Does the spinoff exceed the first? Or do both have equal merit? What are your thoughts?
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It's a bit like Buffy. When it's good it is really, really good, and when it's bad it's dire.
The first season is a little shaky as the show was still finding it's feet, but personally I think it had become very comfortable with itself by the second season. Some of the storylines were darker even than the very darkest Buffy episodes, and it always managed to have a nice, epic feel to it too.
It's well worth a look, especially if you enjoyed Buffy.
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Quote:Buffy is superior IMHO. Angel is sometimes more intense. It richly depends on whether you like or love David Boreanaz.
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
So what are people's opinions? Does the original have more to offer? Does the spinoff exceed the first?
Angel's first season is a MUST though. How much farther you should go rests on if the characters click with you in season two.
(Lorne got old with me real fast)
No lounge lizard Chrisisall
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Personally, while I like the characters and actors on Buffy slightly better (VERY slightly), I prefer Angel for it's overall tone and feel--and completely awesome theme song!! IMO, the odd-numbered seasons--1, 3, and 5--are the real winners, while there was some dropoff in each of the two even-numbered years.
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Quote:Both shows have their respective merits, but I always found myself more emotionally invested in Angel. I enjoyed the darker tone, the nods to noir, the epic struggles the show eventually gets involved in. What I really liked was that although there was always a defining core that made it Angel, they really reinvented the show every season. Sometimes they made mistakes, but there was always this great sense of motion and change, which counterbalanced the thematic and narrative constants (Angel is immortal, he has the weight of centuries on him, W&H will always be there).
Originally posted by Deepgirl187:
I had another thought (a common occurence, I'm noticing
I also like the characters on the show and how different they are from Buffy, less traditional in a way. On BtVS, the ensemble were a scrappy collection of outcasts who band together into a tight surrogate family; rejected by the “normal” world, they move into their own. On Angel, the characters are all outcasts who stay outcasts, even when together. The surrogate family they build is much more dysfunctional, and how could it not be since Angel wants the people around him to be willing to kill him if he turns evil again? It’s just a very different dynamic, and I really find it fascinating. I think both shows equal each other in terms of quality, but since what they deliver appeals to different sentiments people tend to favor one over the other.
As for why you haven’t heard so much about Angel, the show tends to get overlooked for three reasons: 1) although unconventional in its own right, it just doesn’t have the same kind of stereotype-inversion that you can find just in the very title of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and as a result, BtVS gets a great deal of the attention for being such a groundbreaking show. 2) Angel is also a spin-off, and suffers from the stigma that often accompanies spin-off, which are often shallow attempts to milk a franchise for more money by delivering exactly the same thing, only more of it (and thus loosing the originality and creativity of the original). Ats does not, I must emphasize, follow this pattern, it is its own show, not just more of the same, and it consistently strives to be the best television possible (and often succeeds at this). But people hear spin-off and immediately assume low quality. I know I did. 3) BtVS was a breakout hit for the WB, so the network played up the show in every way possible. Angel, however, got neglected and mistreated by the network (boy, that sounds familiar
) in such a manner that it had a hard time developing an audience beyond its loyal core. So fewer people even heard of it, thanks to the network.So, the show is different from BtVS, while still firmly in the greater Buffyverse. It’s darker (both in tone and in cinematography—Angel doesn’t really like the sun much), it’s often very funny, it explores themes and subjects that BtVS doesn’t, and it broadens the mythology of the universe in new and interesting ways. Fun new characters and villains emerge and develop, and existing characters really grow as well—Angel, though still broody, gains a fun sense of humor and we delve more into his past. He was never my favorite character on the show, but he does a good job of carrying it and serving as its emotional center. As the ensemble develops, the show grows all the richer. There’s prophecies, there’s demons, one or two ancient gods, several vampires, and, perhaps most terrifyingly, plenty of lawyers. So watch and enjoy the other half of the Buffyverse, you’ll find it’s well-worth your time.
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