Renouncing my ways...
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Thursday, October 19, 2006 08:18
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If FMF is FutureMrsFillion, then I'm FurtureMrsMarsters. 
Sorry about the constant Spkie-loving, but I just continued to be floored by his performance as Spike. And for those that don't believe me, just watch "Lover's Walk". Just like there's no one else that could play our captain, I don't think anyone could possibly be Spike. In that episode especially, you believe that he is Spike (not to mention a pathetic, drunken mess 
).
I think Joss is hell-bent on making all his character's suffer. Buffy, Angel, Willow, Xander, Cordelia, and Oz; they're all meant to have miserable existances. But hell, at least we have fun watching it. 
I think one of the main differences between Buffy and Firefly is the way you get attached. With Buffy, you're attached to certain characters (i.e. Spike, Willow). But with Firefly, you're attached to everything, from the characters, the ship, to the places they visit or the things they say. As long as I can see my favorite character in Buffy, I don't care where they are, but with Firefly, it wouldn't be the same if I couldn't see every part of their world.
P.S. - And by the way, "Band Candy". Completely sick and demented. Though I have to say, I kind of liked Giles better when he was acting like a irresponsible teenager.
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"See, this is a sign of your tragic space dementia. All paranoid and crotchety, it breaks the heart."
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Quote:Yeah, James Marsters is really the only guy who can be Spike--and Captain Peroxide only gets better with time. He’s great in “Lover’s Walk,” though; one of my favorite episodes from Season Three--which is saying something, given the strong season.
Originally posted by DeepGirl187:
Sorry about the constant Spkie-loving, but I just continued to be floored by his performance as Spike. And for those that don't believe me, just watch "Lover's Walk". Just like there's no one else that could play our captain, I don't think anyone could possibly be Spike. In that episode especially, you believe that he is Spike (not to mention a pathetic, drunken mess
Quote:Part of the difference between Buffy and Firefly may be because Firefly actually has a world to go see--Buffy is ostensibly set in the modern day; its fantastic element comes from the characters (Slayers, vampires, witches, werewolves, etc) and the demons they fight. Although don’t count Sunnydale out just yet; the Hellmouth may grow on you.
With Buffy, you're attached to certain characters (i.e. Spike, Willow). But with Firefly, you're attached to everything, from the characters, the ship, to the places they visit or the things they say. As long as I can see my favorite character in Buffy, I don't care where they are, but with Firefly, it wouldn't be the same if I couldn't see every part of their world.
And I personally always enjoyed delving into the mythology of the series, which they do a bit more on Angel than Buffy, but which is strong on both. What I really like is how Joss uses fallible narrators--information about the universe and events in the past is always conveyed to us through characters, and those characters may not be trustworthy or may not have all the information, so our picture of the Buffyverse is constantly expanding and changing.
P.S.: “Band Candy” is indeed great! It was the first ep of a Mutant Enemy show written by Jane Espensen, who also wrote “Shindig” on Firefly (She’s the only writer besides Joss to have done episodes for all three shows). Expect more fun from her this season and throughout the series (as well as on Angel).
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Originally posted by StakeTheLurk:
“Band Candy” is indeed great! It was the first ep of a Mutant Enemy show written by Jane Espensen, who also wrote “Shindig” on Firefly (She’s the only writer besides Joss to have done episodes for all three shows). Expect more fun from her this season and throughout the series (as well as on Angel).
Jane Espenson is really great...and she'll be writing an episode or two for Battlestar Galactica this upcoming season!
It is funny, I thought Ben Edlund had also written for all three...but I guess he only wrote for Firefly & Angel...no Buffy episodes.
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"Band Candy" and "Lovers Walk"... only two of the best episodes ever! As great as Giles and Joyce were in BC, to me, Snyder totally steals the episode.
"You guys seen Ms. Barton? I think she's wasted. I'm gonna have to put that in her performance review, 'cause... 'cause I'm the principal!"
"Whoa, Summers, you drive like a spaz!"
DG, It sounds like you're about to start disc 3 of S3, if you haven't already. A word of caution: if I remember right, it has the season overview on this disc. Don't watch it! It'll give away pretty much the whole rest of the season 
. For seasons 3, 4, and maybe even 5--along with the first couple of "Angel"--they had this annoying thing of putting the season overview on the third disc. Finally they wised up in the last few seasons and moved this to disc 6, where it belongs.
And since the girls got that nice pic of James to enjoy, here's one for the guys: 
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Jane Espenson is almost as sick as Joss is.
With "Shindig" being one of my favorite episodes (as well as one of the tamer ones), I figured she was kind of the cool breath of sanity that was usually missing from the Joss-verse. But the more I watch Buffy, the more I see how dreadfully wrong I was. At least for the third season, some of the squickiest (yes, it's a word, so there ), most frightening episodes have been hers.
On a different note, many props to David and SMG for "Amends". Very heart-warming and well-acted.
P.S. - And is it just me, or is Vamp Willow downright terrifying?
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So I was on my way back from child psychology class last night, and I got to thinking. Some of the Buffy-verse characters have serious problems, don't they?
I'm not saying just in general, but actual psychological disorders that could be diagnosed. My mother, who's a therapist, can refute me on this. So what character has what problem?
WARNING: STUFFY PSYCHOLOGICAL TERMS AND POSSIBLE SPOILERS MIGHT ENSUE.
Buffy: Strange though it may sound, Buffy doesn't have as many visible problems as she should. The only thing you could really diagnose her with is mild to moderate depression that comes and goes. Course, I'm only on the third season, so this will probably change (espeically knowing Joss).
Faith: Faith is a textbook-case of anti-social personality disorder. She has no remorse for her actions, only considers people and things as they relate to her, and is destructive to other people, things and herself. Joss really hit the nail on the head with this one.
Angel/Angelus: Angel has moderate to severe depression (I think the brooding gave it away ) depending on the circumstances and time period. He also has some dependent personality traits (regarding his dependence on Buffy to keep him good), and is at times suicidal. Angelus on the other hand, also has anti-social perosonality disorder, much worse than Faith (obviously). And, though my mom and I disagree on this one, I think he's slightly megalomaniacal (the whole taking the world into the demon dimension thing).
Spike: While Spike has some pretty gaping anti-social tendencies, he doesn't actually have a personality disorder. He is, however, co-dependent. He constantly is enabling Drusilla to destructive actions, even at the cost of his own needs. He might also be an alcoholic, though there really isn't enough shown to know for sure.
Drusilla: Drusilla obviously has problems (or, as my mother termed it, is seriously "f
ked up"). She may have schizo-affective disorder (not completely sure, have to look up the diagnosis), and is definitely delusional.
*I should note here that Faith, Angelus, Spike, and Drusilla are more than a little homicidal*
Xander/Cordelia: I put these two together because they both have the same problem: both are narcissistic. For Xander, his narcissism seems to revolve around the idea that his problems are larger than everyone else's. In Cordelia's case, she likes to make herself appear more important than she really is, usually by belittling others.
Willow/Oz: Willow and Oz get put together as well. Both characters are very passive, but in different ways. Oz's laid-back demeanor actually keeps him from acting when he should (especially regarding Willow's feeling's toward Xander), whereas Willow is more passive-agressive (once again, reagarding Xander).
Sorry about the long, drawn out post, but as you can see, I really like psychoanalizing TV characters. And Joss tends to make it all the more fun.
P.S. - I know I didn't put Giles, but in all honesty, he's remarkably well-adjusted, especially for living in a Hellmouth.
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Quote:He's British. They invented sanity.
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
P.S. - I know I didn't put Giles, but in all honesty, he's remarkably well-adjusted, especially for living in a Hellmouth.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
P.S. - I know I didn't put Giles, but in all honesty, he's remarkably well-adjusted, especially for living in a Hellmouth.
have you seen 'Band Candy' yet? there is a lot of repressed stuff about Giles...
until we meet Wesley, of course, who is SERIOUSLY repressed and has a lot of Father issues....
(he doesn't listen to others and takes on authority to do things he doesn't have a right to do because he is always trying to 'prove' himself to the hard cold Father...)
And of course Willow's problems: unwillingness to share her friends with others...
and a slightly addictive personality which gets much much worse....
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I gave Giles the benefit of the doubt with "Band Candy". Not to say it wasn't seriously disturbing. You may be right about the authority issues, though.
I haven't seen too much of Wesley, so I didn't want to go too much into him (though I think you're right and he's just as wigged out as the rest of them). And I forgot about the friends issue with Willow.
See, this is why I love my fellow Browncoats. Always up for an interesting discussion.
EDIT: Wesley doesn't stay that annoying, does he? Please tell me he gets more likable.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Wesley doesn't stay that annoying, does he? Please tell me he gets more likable.
On Buffy, no, he's pretty much that way til the season finale. But he later becomes a cast member on Angel and he...changes...a lot. He becomes one of my favorite characters ever. But it's not because of his happy-go-lucky personality, that's for sure.
If you are interested in psychological disorders, just wait til the spinoff. lol.
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