The Ugly Truth: Our President is an Imbecile

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RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:44 AM

The Ugly Truth: Our President is an Imbecile

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The camera is focused elsewhere and it is not clear whom Bush is talking to, but possibly Chinese President Hu Jintao, a guest at the summit.

Bush: Gotta go home. Got something to do tonight. Go to the airport, get on the airplane and go home. How about you? Where are you going? Home? This is your neighborhood. It doesn't take you long to get home. How long does it take you to get home? (Reply is inaudible)

Bush: Eight hours? Me too. Russia's a big country and you're a big country. (At this point, the president seems to bring someone else into the conversation.)

Bush: It takes him eight hours to fly home (He turns his attention to a server.)

Bush: No, Diet Coke, Diet Coke (He turns back to whomever he was talking with.)

Bush: It takes him eight hours to fly home. Eight hours. Russia's big and so is China.

Russia's big and so is China??????? This guys sounds like a third grader. Do you know anyone who would have a conversation like this with their neighbor, let alone a business associate, let alone a world leader? Who's proud to know that Russia is big and so is China?

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If someone is this ignorant, they're usually embarrassed and try not to talk much. But this guy is so dumb he has no idea how dumb he is. This sounds like a conversation you might have with a child, a mentally challenged child. Johnny, do you know how big Russia is? How about China?

You know it, I know it and the American people know it. But everyone is afraid to say it. They say it privately, but people are afraid of saying it publicly because you will be branded as a liberal, elite, intellectual snob. But believe me, you don't have to be an intellectual to see how painfully stupid our president is.

Just look at the conversation he is having with world leaders at the G-8 summit. Mikes picked up the causal talk between the world leaders. Forget that Bush appears to have three sandwiches in his mouth while talking. Forget that he calls out to the Prime Minister of Britain as if he is Lounder in "Animal House." Forget that he uses profanity. I don't give a shit about those things.

I thought it was ridiculous that people made fun of George H. W, Bush for vomiting on the Japanese Prime Minister. What was he going to do? He had to puke, so he puked. It happens to the best of us, and more importantly, has nothing to do with his intelligence or how capable he is as a leader.

But his son's verbal vomit does have a lot to do with his ability to lead this country and the world. What I found to be the most damning is the least quoted part of Bush's comments. As you read this transcript, remember that this is not a small child talking, but the President of the United States of America.

The camera is focused elsewhere and it is not clear whom Bush is talking to, but possibly Chinese President Hu Jintao, a guest at the summit.

Bush: "Gotta go home. Got something to do tonight. Go to the airport, get on the airplane and go home. How about you? Where are you going? Home?

Bush: "This is your neighborhood. It doesn't take you long to get home. How long does it take you to get home?"

Reply is inaudible.

Bush: "Eight hours? Me too. Russia's a big country and you're a big country."

At this point, the president seems to bring someone else into the conversation.

Bush: "It takes him eight hours to fly home."

He turns his attention to a server.

Bush: "No, Diet Coke, Diet Coke."

He turns back to whomever he was talking with.

Bush: "It takes him eight hours to fly home. Eight hours. Russia's big and so is China."

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Russia's big and so is China??????? This guys sounds like a third grader. Do you know anyone who would have a conversation like this with their neighbor, let alone a business associate, let alone a world leader? Who's proud to know that Russia is big and so is China?

Can anyone now

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:56 AM

And I thought the Merkel shoulder-rub was embarassing! (Just because he treats Condi that way doesn't mean he can do that to Heads of State.)

www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0719-01.htm

Gadzooks!

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That's giving imbeciles a bad name.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:03 AM

Yeah I saw that. What the eff was he thinkin' ???

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:10 AM

Quote:
What the eff was he thinkin' ???

Bush (thinking) "I gotta go to the airport. Get on a plane. I take an airplane home. Get me some Condi... Condi... Condi..."

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

HERO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:37 AM

Ya'll are soundin a tad elitist. People is people is people. Thats also true of Presidents and Kings. Liberals, you folk don't know much about that...being descended from monkeys and all. Tend to think their shat don't stink. I'm just sayin...

H

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:45 AM

Shorter Hero:

Liberals baaaaaaaad.
Bush gooooooood.

Not much variation on that theme at all, Hero. Looks like you're still pounding that square peg into anything you can find.

* edited to add: One difference between us, Hero, is that I expect my President to represent our country positively to the world. If I was going to introduce you to one family member, I'd try to pick the smartest most impressive relative I had. You would pick the cousin that nobody talked about who never got invited to Thanksgiving dinner.

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:51 AM

I've known W. Bush's intellect was sub-par for a while now

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I've known W. Bush's intellect was sub-par for a while now

If that's what you need to tell yourself to sleep well at night...... what ever. You libs are nothing but broken records.. Same annoying comments, same empty wind bags of hot air, over and over, as if you saying it enough times will actually make it so.

Moron, imbecile, idiot..say what you will, he's every bit as smart as Kerry. ( Yeah, I know, not exactly a major accomplishment )

That ain't hatin', that's just factin'. - Chris Dimino 790TheZone

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:04 AM

I wish you wouldn't brand ppl because of one opinion or another, but I know that's beyond your capability

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:04 AM

Unwrapped - so you think those quotes are the epitome of intelligence, discernment, savvy. Wow. You've got high standards.

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:09 AM

How sad is it that I'm REALLY looking forward to Bush's month-long August vacation? Please get him out of the public eye. Please.

Matter of fact, he should just go on vacation until January 2009.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:30 AM

You know what I wonder - if he'd pass sobriety and drug tests. Bush may not have too much upstairs but he can follow a script. So why would he do/say that stuff unless he was too happy, happy, HAPPY, WHHHEEEEeeee ... to care?

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:50 AM

I don't think he cares anymore. He's not even going through the motions. He's bored. Being President was fun for a few years...

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:07 AM

It's hard work. You know, he's working hard. But progress is being made. In-cre-men-tally.

It's just no fun if you can't say "Smoke 'em out! Dead or alive!" anymore!

But seriously folks....

I got the feeling that Bush's handlers knew he just couldn't look statesmanlike enough for that long, so they told him to be himself only more so. "People like the common man". So he decided to be a lout.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:36 AM

I'd rather have a competent leader

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

KANEMAN

Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
It's hard work. You know, he's working hard. But progress is being made. In-cre-men-tally.

It's just no fun if you can't say "Smoke 'em out! Dead or alive!" anymore!

But seriously folks....

I got the feeling that Bush's handlers knew he just couldn't look statesmanlike enough for that long, so they told him to be himself only more so. "People like the common man". So he decided to be a lout.

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Who cares ....He's the Prez of the US...He's just a figure-head... You know ...I know...Theres always NOVEMBER...elect another fool...........Its not rain its PISS.

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22CLAWS

Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:12 AM

He's so overtly simple, I wonder if he's a secret agent for the democrats to upset the 2008 election. BTW, I also suspected Saddam as a secret PR agent for Daddy Bush.

Paranoid much?
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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:19 PM

Quote:
Who cares ....He's the Prez of the US...He's just a figure-head

And he can't even manage that.

heh heh heh

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:22 PM

Quote:
Bush may not have too much upstairs but he can follow a script.

I dunno about that. Remember the box-on-the-back debate? The irritated "Let me finish!" to no one visible? Not only can he not follow a script, he can't even keep the voices in his head... er, ear... a secret.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

SIMONWHO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:54 PM

But you Americans like your presidents to be corrupt, idiotic weasels - look at all the Presidents you re-elected (after all, anyone can put up a front when running for something but after 4 years, you know what you're getting - fool me once, won't get fooled again, etc): Nixon, Reagan, W, Clinton, LBJ.

Can't wait to see what witless thugs you have lined up for 2008.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:54 PM

Thanks for the article Rue, do you have a source?

I'm not a Bush loyalist (wrong Country) but this article seems highly biased. Just who was Bush actually talking too? Maybe President Jintao's english is not so good so some repitition was necessary. Who entered the conversation? Perhaps it was Putin or another Russian diplomat. Perhaps it was an awkward attempt by Bush to involve all parties in the conversation. I find it highly unlikely, but were there any children at this function?

I'm just sayin' is all.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:18 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006
071700402_pf.html

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:23 PM

Quote:
... this article seems highly biased. Just who was Bush actually talking too? Maybe President Jintao's english is not so good so some repitition was necessary. Who entered the conversation? Perhaps it was Putin or another Russian diplomat. I find it highly unlikely, but were there any children at this function?
I'm just sayin' is all.

There was the macho shithead swear. The Angela-groping. He treated her like a gorram pet. He was there and she was there so he scratched her between the ears 'cause he had an impulse and he could and besides, you know, she's just a gorram pet. And then geography for the mentally challenged. China is biiiiig. Russia is biiiiiig. How big Georgie? Stetch you arms. Stretch. Stretch. SOoooo big. Verrrry goOOOoood Georgie. Now you have have your drinkie pooh and your bong.

So your non-existent point would be .... ?

CAUSAL

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Shorter Hero:

Liberals baaaaaaaad.
Bush gooooooood.

Not much variation on that theme at all, Hero. Looks like you're still pounding that square peg into anything you can find.

* edited to add: One difference between us, Hero, is that I expect my President to represent our country positively to the world. If I was going to introduce you to one family member, I'd try to pick the smartest most impressive relative I had. You would pick the cousin that nobody talked about who never got invited to Thanksgiving dinner.

So...I'm trying to figure out how "Bush EVIL, Democrat GOOD" is substantively different than "Bush GOOD, liberal BAD". I mean, I know that the players are switched there, but aren't both of those just a tad black-and-white? I'm not defending Bush, nor Hero's defense of Bush. All I'm saying is this relentless Bush-is-the-antiChrist thing is no less ridiculous than Bush-is-the-second coming.

And with all due respect, Soup Catcher, insulting people (even if they did it first) is hardly a good way to dialogue.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:28 PM

Yeah.

It's right there in your face. Bush is an idiot. And all you can say is - How DARE you! You mean, mean ---- Bush-bashers!

MMmmooooooMMMmmmyyyyy

HERO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:

Liberals baaaaaaaad.

Like sheep.

Quote:

Bush gooooooood.

Like glazed doughnuts.

Quote:

One difference between us, Hero, is that I expect my President to represent our country positively to the world. If I was going to introduce you to one family member, I'd try to pick the smartest most impressive relative I had. You would pick the cousin that nobody talked about who never got invited to Thanksgiving dinner.

Perhaps. I suspect that I the cousins we would invite to our respective dinners and consider smart and impressive would be different. I don't think I'd rely on my family's judgement to make that kind of descision. We don't associate with my late uncles kids, they don't associate with us. Like I said, people is people is people. Even families. Even liberals, except when they are looking in the mirror.

H

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:34 PM

Quote:
Bush gooooooood.

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Like glazed doughnuts

Bush goooooooo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Like glazed doughnuts.

CAUSAL

Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Yeah.

It's right there in your face. Bush is an idiot. And all you can say is - How DARE you! You mean, mean ---- Bush-bashers!

MMmmooooooMMMmmmyyyyy

Wait, OK. Did you notice that I didn't take up the issue of Bush being an idiot? Never said he wasn't. Just wanted to interject something about the way we look at politics. I guess what I said didn't quite strike you the right way, so you reverted to your default mode: anyone who disagrees with me in any way must be a Bush supporter, this guy disagrees with me, therefore he's a Bush supporter, therefore he doesn't deserve even a modicum of decent treatment, only insults.

Look, as I see it, there are two extremes, and one middle way with respect to the political worldview. On one extreme, it's Republicans are God's party, they can do no wrong, everything they say is right, Democrats are all evil tree huggers. Utter horseshit. On the other extreme, it's Democrats are going to save this country, every position is the obviously reasonable position, I agree to everything they say, Republicans are all moronic religious fanatics. Also, total crap. Then there's the middle way: some of what the Republicans say is complete hooey, some is not, some of what the Democrats say is B.S., some is not. I'm going to agree with whichever I feel is the stronger argument, regardless of party affiliation.

I was just trying to point out that this kind of behavior, were the situation reversed, would no doubt strike you as inappropriate (as with the Clinton-bashing of the 90s).

And as long as I'm on the board, I'd just like to point out that I'm no great fan of the President: he sent me over to Iraq to sweat my ass off and get shot at on a regular basis in a war that I didn't even agree with in the first place (which is one of the reasons I'm no longer in the military). I may not agree with your Bush-is-the-antiChrist mantra, but I'm not a member of his fanclub, by any stretch.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
... this article seems highly biased. Just who was Bush actually talking too? Maybe President Jintao's english is not so good so some repitition was necessary. Who entered the conversation? Perhaps it was Putin or another Russian diplomat. I find it highly unlikely, but were there any children at this function?
I'm just sayin' is all.
There was the macho shithead swear. The Angela-groping. He treated her like a gorram pet. He was there and she was there so he scratched her between the ears 'cause he had an impulse and he could and besides, you know, she's just a gorram pet. And then geography for the mentally challenged. China is biiiiig. Russia is biiiiiig. How big Georgie? Stetch you arms. Stretch. Stretch. SOoooo big. Verrrry goOOOoood Georgie. Now you have have your drinkie pooh and your bong.

So your non-existent point would be .... ?

Holy snap and crap Rue, who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

I was not refering to any thing else in this thread but your opening article. I thought the purpose of RWED was to foster intelligent debate on topics. There can be no debate when everyone agrees, just a lot of backslapping. If that was the point of this thread, then you should have added to your original post that dissenting viewpoints are not welcome.

Are people in the media spotlight (singers, actors, professional atheletes, politicians etc.) less intelligent than regular folk? Or are their screw-ups just better documented?

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

DAYVE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:02 PM

you know em, you love em.... here they are.... your Bushisms for the day.....

"Public speaking is very easy." ?...Governor George W. Bush to reporters

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican."?...Governor George W. Bush

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."?...Governor George W. Bush

"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA, my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame."?...George W. Bush

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it."?...Governor George W. Bush 5/20/96

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."?...Governor George W. Bush 9/22/97

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."?...Governor George W. Bush, 9/5/93

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." ?...Governor George W. Bush , 9/18/95

"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that George Bush may or may not make."?...Governor George W. Bush

"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." ?...Governor George W. Bush

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."?...Governor George W. Bush

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."?...Governor George W. Bush

i wonder if he writes his own material...?

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

GEEZER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/17/AR2006
071700402_pf.html

The part of the transcript you didn't quote (between Bush and Blair) seemed reasonably cogent.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:07 PM

My only response to this is...

Err.. what too ya so long to figure out the bloody fekkin obvious ?

I knew he was a moron, in fact, I refused to vote for Gore (and you can blame that psycho Tipper for that one, she's a nutter, and imop a dangerous one.) and almost voted FOR the bastard cause I figured he was too stooopid to be dangerous.

More fool me, in the end I just couldn't fight back the gag reflex long enough to go pull the lever for him, so I didn't vote for EITHER of the schmucks.

I think a lot of folks knew he was a moron, but felt a moron was a safer bet than a genuine nutburger for a first lady.

-Frem

PS- Up Yours, PMRC.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:07 PM

Casualty,

And MY point was -

Quote:
All I'm saying is this relentless Bush-is-the-antiChrist thing is no less ridiculous than Bush-is-the-second coming.

Did I say Bush was the anti-Christ? Did I do anything except post Bush's OWN words and specifically how idiotic those specific words were? As I said - his OWN words are there in black and white.

And Zero's input?

Quote:
Liberals, you folk don't know much about that...being descended from monkeys and all. Tend to think their shat don't stink. I'm just sayin...

How is that nothing BUT mindless liberal-bashing? But YOU have no issue with that! No, you blame Soupcatcher for his response.

Quote:

And with all due respect, Soup Catcher, insulting people (even if they did it first) is hardly a good way to dialogue.

Go away and jerk off, a-hole.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:10 PM

BDM

Quote:
Are people in the media spotlight (singers, actors, professional atheletes, politicians etc.) less intelligent than regular folk? Or are their screw-ups just better documented?

During the summit - Bliar was exposed as a toady - but an intelligent toady. With his off-the cuff comment (Iraq type democracy) Putin as an intelligent and witty foe. Bush? With every friggin word and gesture as a groping, potty-mouthed simpleton. He was the sole MAJOR em-bare-ass-ment in the whole group. In the whole DOCUMENTED group.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
BDM

let me guess, BigDamnMarvel?

You've never accused Bush of using playground tactics, such as name calling, I hope.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

DAYVE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:46 PM

I know there is some major disagreement here, but i have to say, IMHO....(which doesn't mean a lot I know).... but the way i see it, never in the history of the presidency of the united states has one man said so much to insult the intelligence of so many than George W. Bush....

I really believe that this administration under Bush, would like it if we all were just scared stupid..... Bush relates well to stupid...

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:49 PM

Quote:
You've never accused Bush of using playground tactics, such as name calling, I hope.

No, but he has used such playground juvenile tactics. Perhaps I should add it to the list of very specific things he can be faulted for.

Bush to aides whenever he wanted to talk to Ken Lay during Ken's overnight WH visits: "Get laid ! (snicker)"

DAYVE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:58 PM

actual quotes.... you can't make this stuff up....

?"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." ?...Governor George W. Bush

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit...Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."?...Governor George W. Bush, 8/11/94

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."?...Governor George W. Bush, 9/15/95

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy -- but that could change."?...Governor George W. Bush, 5/22/98

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." ?...Governor George W. Bush, 12/6/93

"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." ?...Governor George W. Bush, 11/30/96

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." ?...Governor George W. Bush

"The future will be better tomorrow." ?...Governor George W. Bush

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world." ?...Governor George W. Bush 9/21/97

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."?...Governor George W. Bush to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93

what a guy

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:05 PM

Quote:
There can be no debate when everyone agrees, just a lot of backslapping.

HOOOOkaaay... how 'bout this: THE EARTH IS FLAT! 2+2=5! Snow is HOT! Is that enough disagreement for you?

George Bush is "challenged". You may run from it, you may try to hide from it, but it's a fact. There are days, circumstances, and topics on which he seems cogent enough to be an average adult, and days, circumstances, and topics on which he performs like a 7-year old at best.

The sad thing is, I saw film clips of him campaigning for his dad. He looked capable, personable, and focused. Something bad happened to him since then. (Picture of an egg frying in a frypan) This is your brain on drugs

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

MONKSDAD

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:32 PM

yes he is an idiot, but he is our idiot. This is what happens when you make jayne your captain. oops

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

The sad thing is, I saw film clips of him campaigning for his dad. He looked capable, personable, and focused. Something bad happened to him since then. (Picture of an egg frying in a frypan) This is your brain on drugs

So which is it? Is he an imbecile, as stated in earlier posts, or is he on drugs?

I believe I read in another post that Bush went to an Ivy league school (please correct me if I'm wrong). Did he coast his way through or did he actually graduate on merit?

Can the president be on drugs? Are there mandatory
piss tests for the President? Does he have his own official urinator to test in his place? Is the administration to blame for not hiding his stash?

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

RIGHTEOUS9

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:47 PM

HERO,

PEOPLE IS PEOPLE? That's the best you got now?

You know that's a capitulation to the fact that he's a moron, when you have nothing to prop him up with...you must merely reduce all the rest of us to this lowest common denominator.

By that logic, if Rainman were a Republican, you'd vote for him.

Yes, people are people. Most of us are capable of learning how to be competent(that's a liberal assesment) - but we don't vote somebody into office because he's exemplary of our flaws and failings...we need a president who is capable and who will not be hated and laughed at by the rest of the world.

If you want to spin Bush's words and actions into something brilliant, then spin them...or if you want to bring to the table all of Bush's remarkably eloquent moments, or even a few, then do so. That would be a debate.

The only thing that this thread has established, is that Bush supporters and haters alike, agree...Bush's intelligence is not something that can be debated - he is a laughing-stock.

...added on edit

Holy shit...you aren't one of those people
that doesn't believe in evolution are you?
Is it just crazy liberals that descended from
apes?

And no, Auraptor, you can't just throw out there that Bush is as smart as Kerry without getting called on it. Show me some of the stupid things that Kerry has managed to say. Show me that they are even on the same level. Explain to me why Kerry crushed Bush in all 3 debates...(oh that's right...the main-stream media tried to sell the last debate as Bush's victory-but if I remember correctly, I still think Kerry took the victory in the polling). Show me something Bush has ever stood up for. Show me something in his past that proves that he has been driven by integrity or some substance of any kind that doesn't have to be snorted.

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ALLISA

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:52 PM

Wow Dayve those quotes are amazing! *shakes head ruefully*

I also love how recently he's been switching between "down home boy" where his twang becomes highly noticeable and "diplomat" where that twang disapears entirely - depending on his audience.

and I'd also like to raise the point that Bush DID NOT win the popular vote! But the choice between Kerry and Bush was like (to quote Dennis Miller) the choice between hospital food and airline food.

I was raised Republican but since I'm from the state Bush "occassionally" claims to be from (when it suits him) I can tell you in the 80's he was "detained" at least twice for DUI. It made all the papers here and there was general outrage he was never charged with anything.

Drugs...booze...sheer stupidity...does it really matter why?

You know what the chain of command is here? Its the chain I go get to beat you with to show you whose in command!

RIGHTEOUS9

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:54 PM

What is the President to you, Bigdamnnobody?

How would you characterize him? And please don't revert to the only remaining republican talking point - "better than Kerry" unless you at least elaborate on that.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:14 PM

Let's get this straight - this is not generic republican bashing - nowhere is there any reference to bad republicans. This is not blanket Bush-bashing. This is not picking on normal behavior just because it was Bush. This is not taking one small item out of context. The summit was well documented. Everyone was in the spotlight. This was BUSH's four strikes.

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Bush:

gropes Merkel

in the finest juvenile sophomoric manner, uses the word shit (what a baaad boy he is)

in conversation says China is biiiiiig, Russia is biiiiig - twice

in total abdication of world leadership - I think maybe Condi might be going ... I think maybe Koffi might do something ...

Under the spotlight that shone on everyone, no one else displayed such boorish, imbecilic, juvenile behavior.

And Bush's supporters and other "fair minded" people -
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Zero:
Elitist liberals non-folk monkey descendents whose shit doesn't stink "I'm just sayin..."
Unwrapped:
You libs are nothing but broken records.. Same annoying comments, same empty wind bags of hot air, over and over ...
Kaneman:
Who cares?
BDN:
I'm not a Bush fan but this article seems highly biased (I guess those weren't his words then?) were there any children at this function?
Causal:
"Bush EVIL, Democrat GOOD" Soup Catcher, insulting people (even if they did it first) is hardly a good way to dialogue
Zero:
people is people is people. ... Even liberals, except when they are looking in the mirror.
Causal:
anyone who disagrees with me in any way must be a Bush supporter ... (you say) Republicans are all moronic religious fanatics - Bush-is-the-antiChrist
BDN:
you should have added to your original post that dissenting viewpoints are not welcome (calls misrepresenting an argument 'dissenting') their screw-ups (are) just better documented (except Putin, Merkel, Blair, Chirac, Hu Jintao, Harper, and Junichiro)
Slick:
The part of the transcript you didn't quote (between Bush and Blair) seemed reasonably cogent (referring to: I think maybe Condi might be going ... I think maybe Koffi might do something ...)

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The absolute BEST thing that any supporter had to say was - well - except for those (ahem) mumble - (things) - -

DAYVE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
....Bush went to an Ivy league school (please correct me if I'm wrong). Did he coast his way through or did he actually graduate on merit?

good question, but i tend to believe that he made it through Yale the same way he made it through the National Guard....

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

SUCCATASH

Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Dayve:
actual quotes.... you can't make this stuff up....

Actually, I think you can: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/candidate.asp

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:35 PM

I just looked at one quote: "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."

That has been variously attributed to Dan Quayle, George 'dubya' Bush, and John Kerry.

If you could verify the source, I'd appreciate it. It's not that I think John Kerry is perfect and Bush is always wrong, I just get uneasy about a source that doesn't check out.

Thanks.

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
So...I'm trying to figure out how "Bush EVIL, Democrat GOOD" is substantively different than "Bush GOOD, liberal BAD". I mean, I know that the players are switched there, but aren't both of those just a tad black-and-white? I'm not defending Bush, nor Hero's defense of Bush. All I'm saying is this relentless Bush-is-the-antiChrist thing is no less ridiculous than Bush-is-the-second coming.

And with all due respect, Soup Catcher, insulting people (even if they did it first) is hardly a good way to dialogue.

What I have noticed, Causal, is that criticism is labelled as Bush hatred (or, to use your words, "Bush-is-the-antiChrist"). Pretty much any criticism. The threshold is very low. It seems to me that there is a group of people who don't think others should have a negative opinion on anything that Bush has done or said. Is that qualitatively different from bringing up everything that Bush has said or done that you disagree with? (oops, I'm pulling a Rumsfeld) I think it is.

As to insults... I came to the conclusion, based on posting history, that Hero is not interested in dialogue. There is usually one consistency to his posts, he will find a way (sometimes one sentence sometimes paragraphs) to mock liberals. So I treat his posts accordingly. I am constantly revising my opinions so if Hero actually shows signs of engaging in a discussion, absent the blanket attacks, and it's a discussion I have an opinion on then I'll be there. Until then I will mock him for his one-dimensionality.

If I feel, based on evidence, that someone is not interested in dialogue then I feel no need to extend the same courtesy to them I would extend to someone interested in dialogue.

For example, if you're having a conversation with someone and they keep

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:37 PM

What I find hysterical is that Hero will drag himself down into the faux-hillbilly group (people "is" people) so that Bush won't be there all by "hisself". Now THAT'S what I call loyalty!

But please Hero, DON'T include me in your klatch of knuckle-draggers. Not eveyone aspires to be a moron!

HERO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
How is that nothing BUT mindless liberal-bashing?

Hey! I think we can all agree that my liberal-monkey line was not in any way "mindless". Sure, I bashed the liberals good, but it was carefully constructed and thoughtfully presented.

If I was mindless I'd have said:

Quote:

Liberals baaaaaaaad.
Bush gooooooood.

OR

Quote:

Go away and jerk off, a-hole.

I'm just sayin...

H

HERO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
What I find hysterical is that Hero will drag himself down into the faux-hillbilly group (people "is" people) so that Bush won't be there all by "hisself". Now THAT'S what I call loyalty!

I might be some highy edumakated book learnin big city lawyer, but I come from a small town in the hills of West, By God, Virginia (parents from different sides of the mountain insuring at least a two generation seperation) and to plain folk like us, "people is people" just makes good sense.

I look at everybody the same. Rich lady with expensive lawyer gets 3 days for a 1st DUI, she thinks its unfair. Poor black fella can't afford a lawyer gets 3 days for a first time DUI and guess what...he thinks its unfair. Now it might be unfair, but its equally unfair. Now liberals...they put themselves above the rest because they know best...just ask them. Conservatives are expect to run their own race, and you run yours and we'll meet as equals at the bottom. Liberals hate racing. Its not fair for someone to win or lose. So everybody loses...except the liberal, because thats not fair.

H

HERO

Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
that Hero is not interested in dialogue. There is usually one consistency to his posts, he will find a way (sometimes one sentence sometimes paragraphs) to mock liberals. So I treat his posts accordingly. I am constantly revising my opinions so if Hero actually shows signs of engaging in a discussion, absent the blanket attacks, and it's a discussion I have an opinion on then I'll be there. Until then I will mock him for his one-dimensionality.

Thanks for the critque, and an honost ones are scarce these days. My posting is limited by my court schedule. If I have time I discuss, often in depth on a variety of issues. But there is so much anti-Bush sentiment by some people and so many outragous or untrue comments, that I do poke fun and poke holes and sometimes poke funny holes.

Anyway, thanks. And good luck. Certain people hate the whole "writing words and expressing thoughts that don't exactly mirror our own" thing. I call those people "liberals" but some refer to them as Canadian, Democrats, FOX TV executives, and occaisonally the French.

H

GEEZER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:38 PM

Rue. Maybe you got confused about the real source of the article you quoted. It's not the Washington Post, but a blog on Huffingtonpost.com.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-ugly-truth-our-presi_b_25
257.html

The blog does provide a link to the G-8 transcript in the Washington Post, but the Washington Post provides none of the editorial comment you put up.

But let's take the G-8 conversation from where you left off:

Quote:
British Prime Minister Tony Blair approaches.
Bush : Blair, what are you doing? You leaving?
Blair : No, no, no, not yet.
Blair, standing over Bush as the president eats, tries to engage on the stalled global trade negotiations.
Blair : On this trade thing . . .
Some of the ensuing conversation is inaudible. Blair evidently wants Bush to make a statement on the talks.
Bush : If you want me to. I just want some movement. Yesterday, I didn't see much movement. The desire's to move.
Blair : No, no there's not. It may be that it's impossible.
Bush : I'll be glad to say it. Who's introducing me?
Blair : Angela. [German Chancellor Angela Merkel ]
Bush : Tell her to call on me. Tell her to put me on the spot.
Bush then changes the subject, presumably to a gift Blair must have given him for his recent 60th birthday.
Bush : Thanks for the sweater. Awfully thoughtful of you. I know you picked it out yourself.
Blair : Oh, absolutely.
Both of them laugh. Then Bush turns serious, asking Blair about comments apparently made about the Middle East crisis by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, another guest at the summit.
Bush : What about Kofi? That seems odd. I don't like the sequence of it. His attitude is basically ceasefire and [then] everything else happens. You know what I'm saying?
Blair : Yeah. No, I think -- the thing that's really difficult is we can't stop this unless you get this international presence agreed. Now, I know what you guys have talked about but it's the same thing.
The next remarks are inaudible, but the conversation turns to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice.
Blair : . . . see how reliable that is. But you need that done quickly.
Bush : Yeah, she's going. I think Condi's going to go pretty soon.
Blair : Right. Well, that's, that's, that's all that matters. If you -- see, it'll take some time to get out there. But at least it gives people a --
Bush : A process, I agree. I told her your offer too.
It's unclear what offer he means, but apparently Blair offered to make some sort of public statement.
Blair : Well, it's only if it's -- I mean, you know, if she's gotta -- or if she needs the ground prepared, as it were. Obviously, if she goes out, she's got to succeed, as it were, whereas I can just go out and talk.
Bush : See, the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit, and it's over.
Blair : Who, Syria?
Bush : Right.
Blair : I think this is all part of the same thing. What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way, he's [inaudible ] . That's what this whole thing's about. It's the same with Iran.
Bush : I felt like telling Kofi to get on the phone with Assad and make something happen. We're not blaming Israel. We're not blaming the Lebanese government."
At this point, Blair notices the microphone and turns it off.

Sounds like two friendly heads of state having a private conversation about issues discussed at the G-8 and their responses to them: try to get the trade talks moving, see about Secretary General Annan's peace proposal, see when Secretary Rice can make a Middle-East trip to get a peace process moving, try to get Secretary General Annan to have back-channel talks with Syria about reining in Hezballah. Not very much imbecilic at all, aside from the bad joke about the birthday sweater.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:33 PM

The difference between me and you, Hero, is that I talk about you and Bush, and YOU talk about "liberals" and "democrats". Of course, you're the first to say that "liberals" put themselves "above everybody". Not that you're prejudiced* or anything. I'm just sayin'. I don't put myself above whole swaths of people. Just Bush.

---------------------------------
*prejudice: to pre-judge

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Rue. Maybe you got confused about the real source of the article you quoted. It's not the Washington Post, but a blog on Huffingtonpost.com.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-ugly-truth-our-presi_b_25
257.html

The blog does provide a link to the G-8 transcript in the Washington Post, but the Washington Post provides none of the editorial comment you put up.

But let's take the G-8 conversation from where you left off:

British Prime Minister Tony Blair approaches.
Bush : Blair, what are you doing? You leaving?
Blair : No, no, no, not yet.
Blair, standing over Bush as the president eats, tries to engage on the stalled global trade negotiations.
Blair : On this trade thing . . .
Some of the ensuing conversation is inaudible. Blair evidently wants Bush to make a statement on the talks.
Bush : If you want me to. I just want some movement. Yesterday, I didn't see much movement. The desire's to move.
Blair : No, no there's not. It may be that it's impossible.
Bush : I'll be glad to say it. Who's introducing me?
Blair : Angela. [German Chancellor Angela Merkel ]
Bush : Tell her to call on me. Tell her to put me on the spot.
Bush then changes the subject, presumably to a gift Blair must have given him for his recent 60th birthday.
Bush : Thanks for the sweater. Awfully thoughtful of you. I know you picked it out yourself.
Blair : Oh, absolutely.
Both of them laugh. Then Bush turns serious, asking Blair about comments apparently made about the Middle East crisis by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, another guest at the summit.
Bush : What about Kofi? That seems odd. I don't like the sequence of it. His attitude is basically ceasefire and [then] everything else happens. You know what I'm saying?
Blair : Yeah. No, I think -- the thing that's really difficult is we can't stop this unless you get this international presence agreed. Now, I know what you guys have talked about but it's the same thing.
The next remarks are inaudible, but the conversation turns to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice.
Blair : . . . see how reliable that is. But you need that done quickly.
Bush : Yeah, she's going. I think Condi's going to go pretty soon.
Blair : Right. Well, that's, that's, that's all that matters. If you -- see, it'll take some time to get out there. But at least it gives people a --
Bush : A process, I agree. I told her your offer too.
It's unclear what offer he means, but apparently Blair offered to make some sort of public statement.
Blair : Well, it's only if it's -- I mean, you know, if she's gotta -- or if she needs the ground prepared, as it were. Obviously, if she goes out, she's got to succeed, as it were, whereas I can just go out and talk.
Bush : See, the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit, and it's over.
Blair : Who, Syria?
Bush : Right.
Blair : I think this is all part of the same thing. What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way, he's [inaudible ] . That's what this whole thing's about. It's the same with Iran.
Bush : I felt like telling Kofi to get on the phone with Assad and make something happen. We're not blaming Israel. We're not blaming the Lebanese government."
At this point, Blair notices the microphone and turns it off.

Quote:
Sounds like two friendly heads of state having a private conversation about issues discussed at the G-8 and their responses to them: try to get the trade talks moving, see about Secretary General Annan's peace proposal, see when Secretary Rice can make a Middle-East trip to get a peace process moving, try to get Secretary General Annan to have back-channel talks with Syria about reining in Hezballah. Not very much imbecilic at all, aside from the bad joke about the birthday sweater.
"Keep the Shiny side up"[/quot

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SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Thanks for the critque, and an honost ones are scarce these days. My posting is limited by my court schedule. If I have time I discuss, often in depth on a variety of issues. But there is so much anti-Bush sentiment by some people and so many outragous or untrue comments, that I do poke fun and poke holes and sometimes poke funny holes.

Anyway, thanks. And good luck. Certain people hate the whole "writing words and expressing thoughts that don't exactly mirror our own" thing. I call those people "liberals" but some refer to them as Canadian, Democrats, FOX TV executives, and occaisonally the French.

Fair enough. If I wasn't working on the computer all day I would probably take more of a shotgun, rather than a rifle, approach myself.

DAYVE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:05 PM

It’s obvious that there are differing opinions of this president here and, believe it or not, I do respect everyone’s right to their own views. The thing that I can’t understand is how can anyone who has seen Bush in action, his mannerisms, his speech, his often “deer in the headlights” blank stare, not to mention some of his less than brilliant executive decisions and still think that this guy has what it takes to be a world leader. Have the majority of people in this country been reduced to the intelligence level of a squid to have such profoundly poor insight? (No offense to the squid).

As someone who has had to endure GW as governor as well as president – not to mention his stint as managing partner of one of the states baseball teams – I think I can say that I’ve seen more than enough of this guy.

I don’t like to demean, degrade or otherwise slander anyone. I have on occasion said and posted some pretty ugly things about Shrub. I’m here to tell you, that I’m standing by those statements. I don’t make these statements based on any one political affiliation either. I have in the past voted for people in every party out there – but these neo-cons are losing me big time. The Republican Party is defiantly a machine – they find a message and stick to it, no matter who gets trampled in the process. The Democrats seem to try and represent everyone and as such become a divided party. Independents and Libertarians are left to suck hind tit, so to speak. Where is the party that represents the politically disenfranchised? Do we have nothing better to look forward to than more of the same, that is, inept leaders who are only concerned with their own political aspirations and greed? Jeb Bush? Hilary Clinton? Let’s just elect Satan and ride that hand basket straight to hell.

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

CHRISISALL

Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:49 PM

What's all this now then?

Everybody play NICE!!!

Or I'll pull a PN and DROWN THIS THREAD IN DUBYA WITTICISMS!!!!!

Big Daddy Chrisisall

DAYVE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:13 PM

---the wit of GW Shrub Bush---- shudder------
please, just make it go away...

"endeavor to persevere..." Chief Dan George as Lone Waite, Indian chief

GEEZER

Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Ah. But it is so much LESS than that. Especially re Lebanon.

Bush - what about Kofi?

Yeah. As in "What did you think about Kofi Annan's suggestion for a cease-fire and then an international peacekeeping force, Tony?", since that was Annan's suggestion at the G8. Seems reasonable Bush would ask Blair's opinion, which Blair provides.

Quote:
Blair - you need to get the int'l presence

Taking the actual statement "...the thing that's really difficult is we can't stop this unless you get this international presence agreed" in context, it's pretty obvious that you is inclusive, you meaning everyone who needs to agree to the international presence. Seems like getting international presence would be a UN thing, not for the President to do.

Quote:
Bush - I think Condi's going pretty soon (I guess he needed to check w/ her before he said that - as she hasn't yet seen fit)

Did it ever occur to you that the visit of the Secretary of State to several, not necessarily friendly, Mid-East countries might require a little preparation, like getting agreement for the visit from the countries involved? Guess not. Note also Blair mentioning that he would be willing to prepare the ground for her trip, because "she's got to succeed, as it were, whereas I can just go out and talk." That might take some time too.

Quote:
Blair - that's all that matters

?

Quote:
Bush - "they" need to get Syria to get Hezbollah

Blair - (confused by the non-sequitor) Syria?

Cool. You can read Tony Blair's mind now. Other people might have thought he didn't hear what Bush was saying, but you got the real scoop.

Quote:
Bush - I felt like telling Kofi to make something happen

But even the President of the US doesn't order the Secretary General of the UN around. Hence the working on international presence and trying to get a Condi Rice visit, perhaps preceded by Tony Blair preparing the ground.

Still seems pretty reasonable to me. I think you must have borrowed SignyM's "Bush is evil" goggles and then added the "Bush is dumb" accessory lenses.

I await your next round of well-spun out-of-context not-quite-accurate semi-quotes.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

AURAPTOR

Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Guywhowantsafireflyofhisown:
I wish you wouldn't brand ppl because of one opinion or another, but I know that's beyond your capability

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

Ya might try living by your own words. You branded W for some selected ( cherry picked ) comments. You have your method, I have mine. But I am willing to ammend my comments above. To be fair, I should have said " Liberals " in general, and not made it so specific toward you. Alas, I can't ignore the irony as you braned me as well, based on " one opinion or another... ".

Funny

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

AURAPTOR

Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Unwrapped - so you think those quotes are the epitome of intelligence, discernment, savvy. Wow. You've got high standards.

It would help matters if you could read/ comprehend a simple, straight forward post. All I said was that Bush is every bit as intelligent as Kerry. And I even made a follow up remark that said being as smart as Kerry wasn't all that to brag about! Yet, you somehow understood my words to mean that Bush is " the epitome of intelligence, discrernment , savvy... ". Now, unless you see those words being applicable to John Kerry, I must admit, I'm stumpified. Bush and Kerry have been shown to , from college grades and their military Intelligence test scores, be both unremarkable in the area of displaying a high I.Q.

Neither Kerry or Bush are members of MENSA, are they ? I certainly never implied that to be the case. Did you ?

"That ain't hatin', that's just factin'! " Chris Dimino 790TheZone

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:34 PM

Hey Righteous9,

Quote:

Originally posted by Righteous9:
What is the President to you, Bigdamnnobody?

For lack of a better term, He is the leader of the 'free' world.

Quote:

How would you characterize him?

Happy. Seriously, the guy's always got a smile on his face. He really must enjoy his job, which could be considered a good trait.

I am not blind to the Presidents foibles, but he is the President. And he has been the President for one and a half terms. Unless you can impeach him for saying and doing silly things, he is going to continue to be the President for awhile longer.

What should the administration do? Should he be shielded from the public and only let out to make pre-written statements? Do you make up phony excuses and send other's in his place to conferences?

Besides, I enjoy lively discussions in RWED. What better way to get one going than to take a position opposite to the threads author.

Plus I knew there was something fishy with the original source.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
You know what I wonder - if he'd pass sobriety and drug tests. Bush may not have too much upstairs but he can follow a script. So why would he do/say that stuff unless he was too happy, happy, HAPPY, WHHHEEEEeeee ... to care?

C'mon now, you can NOT be serious. Pass a drug test ? Which President was it that NEVER released ANY of his Medical test results, never revealed findings from his annual check ups, never made public ANY of his medical history ??

President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton - That's who.

"That ain't hatin', that's just factin' " -Chris Dimino 790TheZone

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

JOSSISAGOD

Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:21 PM

Stupid double post!

JOSSISAGOD

Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Besides, I enjoy lively discussions in RWED. What better way to get one going than to take a position opposite to the threads author.
Plus I knew there was something fishy with the original source.

I enjoy the RWED forum as well. I like to watch the threads here degenerate into name calling and my side's better than yours POVs. I usually stay out of them because I'm frankly too young to give a damn just yet. As for the main point of the thread, in my experience every president this country has ever had, has had his good qualities and his bad qualities, I can't judge Bush too harshly, after all, is it his fault every time he speaks the T.V. makes him look like a brainless goofball with a Yale education? (Maybe it is, Maybe it isn't.) Both extremes, Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, make me a little edge-y. So, I'm content on a middle ground.

JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD

Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!

"Look at me, I'm STUPID!" The Doctor.

CITIZEN

Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:26 PM

Quote:
President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton - That's who.

Well damn that makes it alright then. Other guys were taking drugs, your honour, so you see you have to let me off.

I was under the impression Clinton wasn't the president anymore, since he's a viable issue when discussing the current president I must of been wrong.

I really thought Bush was the President, or was it Cheney, oh well.

Quote:
To be fair, I should have said " Liberals " in general, and not made it so specific toward you. Alas, I can't ignore the irony as you braned me as well, based on " one opinion or another... ".

Except Guy was making a (quite well founded) observation based on your behaviour, you were doing your typical knee jerk “must insult and attempt to silence all who don’t think in the way AU approves of” thing.

But given your continued inability to see even the most obvious facts of the world around you and yourself I’ll understand if you, as usual, just don’t get it.

BTW the whole as usual “all Liberals blah blah blah” thing, nice way to prove the hypocrite charge

.

Oh and darlin’, cherry picked or no, they’re still things he said, know what I’m saying…

Talk like an idiot, look like an idiot, act like an idiot, well I guess you must be:
A SHRUBURY!

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

RUE

Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:32 PM

Oh Slick,

tsk, tsk, tsk ...

"What did you think about Kofi Annan's suggestion for a cease-fire and then an international peacekeeping force, Tony?"
Where in the conversation is that? Oh, that's right.
You would be making that up.

"(Blair - to Bush)... the thing that's really difficult is WE can't stop this unless YOU get this international presence agreed"
In context, it's pretty obvious that WE is inclusive, YOU means the US.

"(Bush) ... I think Condi's going pretty soon." In context, Blair was saying (as diplomatically as possible) "that he would be willing to prepare the ground for her trip, because 'she's got to succeed, as it were, whereas I can just go out and talk.'" But Blair needed to know if Condi was going to go before he got on the stage as the opening act, so to speak, and found there was going to be no main show. Bush's response? A definitive "I think she's going to go soon.."

"(Blair - confused by the non-sequitor) Syria?"
"Other people might have thought he didn't hear what Bush was saying, but you got the real scoop." Really? What other people? Or would you just be making that up, too.

"(Bush) ... I felt like telling Kofi to make something happen"
Hence BLAIR working on international presence and trying to get a Condi Rice visit.

AURAPTOR

Friday, July 21, 2006 2:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton - That's who.
Well damn that makes it alright then. Other guys were taking drugs, your honour, so you see you have to let me off.

I was under the impression Clinton wasn't the president anymore, since he's a viable issue when discussing the current president I must of been wrong.

I really thought Bush was the President, or was it Cheney, oh well.
Quote:
To be fair, I should have said " Liberals " in general, and not made it so specific toward you. Alas, I can't ignore the irony as you braned me as well, based on " one opinion or another... ".
Except Guy was making a (quite well founded) observation based on your behaviour, you were doing your typical knee jerk “must insult and attempt to silence all who don’t think in the way AU approves of” thing.

But given your continued inability to see even the most obvious facts of the world around you and yourself I’ll understand if you, as usual, just don’t get it.

BTW the whole as usual “all Liberals blah blah blah” thing, nice way to prove the hypocrite charge .

Oh and darlin’, cherry picked or no, they’re still things he said, know what I’m saying…

Talk like an idiot, look like an idiot, act like an idiot, well I guess you must be:
A SHRUBURY!

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

citizen - If only you knew what the hell you were talking about. The point was brought up that Bush should take a drug test. Fact is, he has had annual check ups with results made public. To the contrary, the ONLY President to do no such thing and to keep ALL records of his medical history private is the afore mentioned Mr.Clinton. THAT'S why it's relevent.

Ok, lets refresh.
Clinton = never released any medical records concerning his health.
Bush = has at least made public his annual check ups, and hid nothing.

You talk about ignoring facts, yet your entire positon is based purely on OPINION. Fact is, in objective methods of determining intellect between Bush and Kerry, we DO have 2 pieces of evidence. Case closed.

And one last thing, 'cherry picked' amounts to taking things out of context. Sure, they were said ( when have I ever denied that ? Oh, never..that's when ) but if you had someone eaves drop on your conversations and only used parts of, and not the whole disucsison , you too would be seen as an imbecile.

Ok, so using you isn't the best example I could have come up with, but you get the picture. One would hope, at least.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 4:13 AM

Unwrapped -

If you google "george w bush" physical; or "george w bush" "annual physical" you will get page after page of how he inquired about skipping the Air National Guard required physical, then missed his annual physical, and then was grounded. Along with a lot of speculation he skipped out b/c, for the first time ever, it was required AND they were testing for drug use. But that's just ancient history and you don't want to get into that - right? Just like Clinton is ancient history.

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The point was brought up that Bush should take a drug test. Fact is, he has had annual check ups with results made public.

So I found this. Please note, there is NO report of drug testing. Your 'annual physical' remark is a non-sequitor.

By Mark Bloom, Editor-in-Chief, MedPage Today
August 01, 2005
Also covered by: CNN, New York Times (Registration Req.), Washington Post (Registration Req.)

BETHESDA, Md., Aug. 1-President George Bush, eight pounds lighter than he weighed in December, was declared fit for duty by doctors at the National Naval Medical Center here over the weekend.

The three-hour checkup was the 59-year-old Bush's fifth annual physical since taking office. The most recent examination was in December, delayed from his normal summer schedule by the election campaign.

Bush, nearly six feet tall, weighed 199.6 pounds in December. Over the weekend, his weight was down eight pounds, a loss that was attributed to an improved diet.

"The President remains in excellent health and 'fit for duty,'" his doctors said in a statement. "All data suggest that he will remain so for the duration of his Presidency."

Bush takes a daily multi-vitamin, low-dose aspirin, glucosamine/chondroitin, and an omega 3 supplement. He does not routinely use prescription medications.

The President exercises six times per week. His resting heart rate (seated) was 47 bpm. His resting blood pressure (seated) was 110/64 mm/Hg.

The doctors characterized his fitness as in the "superior" category for a man his age (greater than 99th percentile for 55-59 year-old men; Cooper).

He has, they said, a "low" to "very low" coronary artery disease risk profile, as judged by a coronary artery disease "activity-marker" evaluation (including C-reactive protein, homocysteine, and lipids), and "functional" studies (exercise treadmill test).

Results of lipid sub-unit and particle size analysis further support a "low cardiac risk" profile. Continued "therapeutic lifestyle measures" (i.e. reduced intake of saturated fat and cholesterol, regular physical activity, and weight control) are appropriate.

He is not taking a statin.

Sinus bradycardia, asymptomatic, non-pathologic, and consistent with a conditioned heart, they said.

There is a history of vasovagal syncope without pathology, sequelae, or recurrence.

The physicians reported symptoms consistent with occasional gastroesophageal reflux with well-defined triggers. They were considering "modification/elimination of triggers, routine medication, and/or endoscopy if symptoms become more frequent, refractory, or pronounced."

Bush has a history of benign colonic adenomas, with his most recent colonoscopy in June 2002 determined to be normal. He will have another colonoscopy in 2007 (or earlier, pending state-of-the-science, or incidental to upper endoscopy if indicated).

He has skin lesions consistent with solar damage. Treatment was not indicated, and sun-protection measures (e.g. sunscreen, wide-brimmed hats, etc.) were recommended. A seborrheic keratosis was treated with liquid nitrogen.

Bush has well-controlled seasonal allergic rhinitis.

He has a history of activity-related musculoskeletal injuries and is currently without symptoms or limitations.

He also has a history of mild high frequency hearing loss, unchanged from previous examinations. He has mild hyperopic astigmatism/presbyopia, fully correctable.

The full report:

Past Medical History

Ther

PIRATENEWS

Friday, July 21, 2006 6:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

The Ugly Truth: Our President is an Imbecile

Bush: No, Diet Coke, Diet Coke.

I think I see our problem - ASPARTAME, which causes RUMSFELD DISEASE, SEIZURES and BRAIN DAMAGE.
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"You can't stop the signal!"
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GUYWHOWANTSAFIREFLYOFHISOWN

Friday, July 21, 2006 11:09 AM

actually a good point

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
-try it out, I dare you

98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature

I'm so into Firefly, my butt glows in the dark.

HERO

Friday, July 21, 2006 11:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Genitourinary System: Exam was within normal limits without evidence of prostate nodularity or hypertrophy. PSA was 0.5 (normal <4.0).
Laboratories
A standard battery of routine screening laboratory tests was performed and was unremarkable.

Wow. Do you think its right to post this kind of stuff or to have it released to the public? I doubt HIPPA has an exception for elected officials.

Just to show how fair you are...post your own most recent medical examination and history. Go ahead. I doubt you will though. That persistant bout with lymphatic filariasis is probably a might embarrassing.

H

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 12:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Oh Slick,

tsk, tsk, tsk ...

"What did you think about Kofi Annan's suggestion for a cease-fire and then an international peacekeeping force, Tony?"
Where in the conversation is that? Oh, that's right.
You would be making that up.

"(Blair - to Bush)... the thing that's really difficult is WE can't stop this unless YOU get this international presence agreed"
In context, it's pretty obvious that WE is inclusive, YOU means the US.

"(Bush) ... I think Condi's going pretty soon." In context, Blair was saying (as diplomatically as possible) "that he would be willing to prepare the ground for her trip, because 'she's got to succeed, as it were, whereas I can just go out and talk.'" But Blair needed to know if Condi was going to go before he got on the stage as the opening act, so to speak, and found there was going to be no main show. Bush's response? A definitive "I think she's going to go soon.."

"(Blair - confused by the non-sequitor) Syria?"
"Other people might have thought he didn't hear what Bush was saying, but you got the real scoop." Really? What other people? Or would you just be making that up, too.

"(Bush) ... I felt like telling Kofi to make something happen"
Hence BLAIR working on international presence and trying to get a Condi Rice visit.

Yep. Got those "Bush is Evil" goggles glued to your face. No other interpretations need apply. I never argue religion with a fanatic, so I'll just let you rave on.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

AURAPTOR

Friday, July 21, 2006 1:00 PM

And what did you find when you googled "Bill Cliton" physical ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 21, 2006 2:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And what did you find when you googled "Bill Cliton" physical ?

Naughty Pictures.

(couldn't resist that one!)

-Frem

CHRISISALL

Friday, July 21, 2006 2:24 PM

We all think that was hi-larious, Frem.

Now y'all, keep ing
Sideline Chrisisall

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:04 PM

Well Zero,

Quote:
Just to show how fair you are...post your own most recent medical examination and history. Go ahead. I doubt you will though.

As a proud recipient of a standard HMO plan, I have not had a physical in about 20 years. I also don't seem to have access to the results. How about YOU ??? You willing to post yours? ANOTHER ad hominem attack from you. But why should I expect anything better? You're not capable.

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:08 PM

Slick,

Quote:
No other interpretations need apply. I never argue religion with a fanatic, so I'll just let you rave on.

I'm guessin' this is your lame excuse for why you can't say - given the exact Bush quotes and all - Bush is anything but an em-bare-ass-ment. All you have is another ad hominem attack. As usual.

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:14 PM

Unwrapped,

'"Bill CLITon" physical' only got me a few web sites. '"Bill CliNton" physical' didn't get me ANYTHING salacious, embarassing, or compromising. Unlike say '"george w bush" physical'.

Lame joke. Pointless point. Yes, minimize, distract, attack. ANYTHING to avoid the truth.

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:18 PM

No wonder you idiots identify with dubya. He's proof that even you could be president some day. Assuming you had multi-millionaire ex-CIA ex-president parentage with a billion dollar political machine behind you.

So did you all get together to figure these brilliant responses out? OUCH Is this what happens when you put three brain cells together?

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Slick,
Quote:
No other interpretations need apply. I never argue religion with a fanatic, so I'll just let you rave on.
I'm guessin' this is your lame excuse for why you can't say - given the exact Bush quotes and all - Bush is anything but an em-bare-ass-ment. All you have is another ad hominem attack. As usual.

Not really, but it's obvious that if Bush said "The sky is blue today." you'd try to either prove the sky isn't blue, or that it's not today.

Anyone reading the entire Bush/Blair conversation in the context of the events occurring at the G8 summit, instead of cutting out and re-interpreting little snippets of dialog, can see what was being discussed.

Since what I am disputing is your obviously wildly biased attempts at misinterpretation, noting what I consider the motives behind such actions is hardly ad hominem.

I also got a kick out of your "Since the Bush annual physical results didn't mention drug testing, he's obviously taking drugs." innuendo. Good old "guilty until proven innocent" again. I predict a great future for you in the North Korean Secret Police.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

CITIZEN

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:40 PM

But but but Clinton, how predictable.

I see your infantile little mind just doesn't get it.

Yes my opinion is based on, erm, opinion, and my readings of facts, which is eminently better than your approach, which is "George Bush is my master, George Bush is so great, George Bush will tell me who I should hate."

At least I don't need a talking head to supply me with my opinion, I have a mind of my own, which is what sets you and I apart.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:50 PM

Slick - you just earned yourself a new nickname -it's called a-hole.

Quote:
...instead of cutting out and re-interpreting little snippets of dialog

I took YOU OWN SNIPPETS - IN FULL - the very ones YOU picked out. As an obvious liar you now say they were mine. A-hole.

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:56 PM

So A-hole, on you your second so called 'point'.
"I also got a kick out of your "Since the Bush annual physical results didn't mention drug testing, he's obviously taking drugs." innuendo." I was replying to the innuendo that since BUSH put his check-up results it meant he wasn't taking drugs. And what did I say about that? The horrible phrase non-sequitor. A-hole. Liar. Fraud.

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 3:59 PM

Quote:
Rice to Present U.S. Peace Plan
By ANNE GEARAN
AP Diplomatic Writer
WASHINGTON

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will lay out U.S. plans for a diplomatic solution to the Israeli-Hezbollah fighting Friday, an administration official said.

Rice plans a trip to the Mideast as soon as early next week, and will carry the U.S. strategy for ending the 10-day-old warfare and establishing stability in southern Lebanon, a senior Bush administration said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because Rice has not yet made her plans public.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/21/D8J0EB780.html

Well, there's the Condi going to the middle-east bit,

Quote:
The plans emerged following two days of meetings in New York with United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and envoys he sent to the region this week.

...and the coordinate with Kofi bit,

Quote:
Also, the White House announced on Friday that British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a leading U.S. foreign policy ally, will meet with Bush next Friday at the White House. The Middle East crisis will be high on the agenda.

...and the get Blair smoothing the ground bit.

Looks like that little Blair/Bush talk about lebanon at the G8 has produced pretty much what was discussed.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

RUE

Friday, July 21, 2006 4:01 PM

A-hole,

Nooooo. You're making ASSumptions again.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 21, 2006 4:16 PM

Geezer, you have sunk to a new low. Why? Why? WHY?

---------------------------------
Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, July 21, 2006 4:41 PM

All this Bush is bad

Clinton was worse crap is inmaterial

I'd say one was nearly as bad as the other

Who was the last decent idiot to get elected...

" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack

Run to the hills run for your lives "

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, July 21, 2006 5:13 PM

Quote:
Who was the last decent idiot to get elected...

Oh, we shot that one.

Had to, couldn't have the one eyed man in the city of the blind making the rest of em look like what they are, could we ?

-Frem

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 5:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, you have sunk to a new low. Why? Why? WHY?

What? Quoting the AP report on Condi's travel plans? Disagreeing with Rue's interpretation of the G8 conversation? Expressing an opinion about her motives? Gee, I thought having an opposing point of view might be allowed in a discussion forum.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 5:25 PM

Darn. Deadlock Doublepost. Disssspicable.

GINOBIFFARONI

Friday, July 21, 2006 6:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Who was the last decent idiot to get elected...

Oh, we shot that one.

Had to, couldn't have the one eyed man in the city of the blind making the rest of em look like what they are, could we ?

-Frem

Hell, I would argue that one needed shooting most of all....

" Fighting them at their own game
Murder for freedom the stab in the back
Women and children and cowards attack

Run to the hills run for your lives "

http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/ironmaiden/liveafterdeath.html#12

ALLISA

Friday, July 21, 2006 6:15 PM

Dayve - after an intense discussion with the squid he warns he will ink you the next time you compare him to the general electorate ;)

BDM -how about impeachment for editing/destroying goverment inteligence to reflect his own personal wishes? for anyone else that would be....treason

oh and Geezer? have you suddenly become psychic enough to read the minds of all these "heads of government" and insert their ACTUAL thoughts? No? then you really should not assume but take comments at face value until such time as those actually involved either defend or explain said comments ;)

You know what the chain of command is here? Its the chain I go get to beat you with to show you whose in command!

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, July 21, 2006 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Allisa:

BDM -how about impeachment for editing/destroying goverment inteligence to reflect his own personal wishes? for anyone else that would be....treason

If Bush edited/destroyed government intelligence to reflect his own personal wishes, that is certainly an impeachable offense. So why is he still President? Is it because a case cannot be built on the evidence at hand, or is there overwhelming evidence and nobody is willing to bring it forth. Or is it because Bush's secret police have destroyed all evidence and have coerced all witnesses into silence (that was a shout-out to all the conspiracy theorists on this board

).

Oh and for the record the shortening of my alias would be BDN, BDM is the new nickname I picked up in Rue's playground. Unless,of course, you meant to use BDM which is certainly your prerogative.

De-lurking to stir stuff up.

CHRISISALL

Friday, July 21, 2006 6:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Or is it because Bush's secret police have destroyed all evidence and have coerced all witnesses into silence (that was a shout-out to all the conspiracy theorists on this board ).

*Wakes up*

Huh? What?
Oh yes, certainly possible, I'd say.

Chrisisall

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 6:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Allisa:
oh and Geezer? have you suddenly become psychic enough to read the minds of all these "heads of government" and insert their ACTUAL thoughts? No? then you really should not assume but take comments at face value until such time as those actually involved either defend or explain said comments ;)

No. I've become literate enough to read their comments in context with the circumstances which surround them and make reasonable assumptions as to what they are thinking. Sort of like the Washington Post did when they noted:Then Bush turns serious, asking Blair about comments apparently made about the Middle East crisis by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, another guest at the summit. Hardly mindreading, just obvious from the words and context. If you'd like, from now on I could include the word "apparently".

I note you addressed this criticism only to me, and not to Rue, who also makes assumptions based on her understanding. I assume (there it is again!) that this was an oversight on your part, and that you will take her to task in another post.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

ALLISA

Friday, July 21, 2006 7:46 PM

I would take Rue to task, Geezer, but Rue did use words like "apparently" and did not attempt to quantify the remarks made, merely commented on the conversation. You however added your own interpratation into the actual text....

and BDN (stress on the N!!) apologies...I hate it when my own name (or alias) is mispelled.

You know what the chain of command is here? Its the chain I go get to beat you with to show you whose in command!

GEEZER

Friday, July 21, 2006 8:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Allisa:
I would take Rue to task, Geezer, but Rue did use words like "apparently" and did not attempt to quantify the remarks made, merely commented on the conversation. You however added your own interpratation into the actual text....

I see you've been taking that selective reading course.

Here's Rue's first cut at interpretation, by editing the actual text while presenting it as quotes, with her comments as she entered them, in parentheses, and her emphasis, underlined:

Quote:
Ah. But it is so much LESS than that. Especially re Lebanon.

Bush - what about Kofi?

Blair - you need to get the int'l presence

Bush - I think Condi's going pretty soon (I guess he needed to check w/ her before he said that - as she hasn't yet seen fit)

Blair - that's all that matters

Bush - "they" need to get Syria to get Hezbollah

Blair - (confused by the non-sequitor) Syria?

Bush - I felt like telling Kofi to make something happen

I could go on through a few more posts, but what's the point? Allisa, if you're going to set yourself up as a moderator, at least you could try to appear non-biased.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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