Renouncing my ways...

POSTED BY: deepgirl187
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DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:50 AM

Have sympathy on this poor hypocrite. She knows not what she does.

For years I have spouted my negative views on all that is Buffy. And while, to a certain extent, I still retain those views, I'm attempting to be more open-minded.

I say all of this because I just finished watching the first two episodes of Buffy. My original reasons for doing this were mostly Firefly realted (I wanted to see some of our BDH's in previous roles, not to mention David Boreanaz). However, while watching, I came to sort of an epiphany. Buffy really isn't that bad. Sure it's a little dated, and the vamps look cheesy as hell, but hey, it was what, 1996? TV wasn't operating on the same level that it is now, or even when Firefly was on. Not to mention the fact the show was probably geared towards teenagers, which effected the way in which the content was displayed. But all in all, the show is actually watchable, even enjoyable.

So in conclusion, I am offically renouncing my anti-Buffy ways. We may have a conversion on our hands yet. (Of course, I doubt it will top Firefly anytime soon )

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This is my story...

EMBERS

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:03 AM

When I started watching Doctor Who #9 this year on Sci-fi I told a friend that I loved the stories and the cheesy special effects, and it occured to me that that was always the appeal of Buffy too....

Great stories, with really interesting metaphor, real character development, a hero's journey, and all the humor and excitement anyone could ever want.
Is it so hard to relax and enjoy the silly fun of vampires and demons who flesh out those metaphors and motivate the character growth?

I agree that Firefly is a far greater show, but Joss created some really brilliant moments on Buffy (and Angel) which are going to be remembered and valued for generations IMO).

DEEPGIRL187

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:14 AM

There were two other things I noticed while watching. I don't know if any of you remember this, but there was a show called Kindred: The Embraced that was on the year before Buffy started (I think). It's interesting because even though Kindred was on the year before, the show was more graphic than Buffy (or at least Buffy's first few episodes). But once again, I think Buffy was aimed at a younger audience.

One other thing I noticed was David Boreanaz. Even though I knew that he played Angel before, I still see him as Seeley Booth from Bones, which was the first show I saw him in. But based on the interviews I've seen, I really think that the character of Booth is closer to his personality than Angel was. But then again, maybe my opinion will change after I see more of both series.

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This is my story...

CHRISTHECYNIC

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:19 AM

I never liked Buffy much and I didn't know why until I saw Buffy on an episode of Angel and then it hit me. (I've said this before, sorry for those who have heard it many times.)

Buffy kills things, that's what she does, she's the slayer and she kills things. Evil is drawn both to her and to her town for obvious reasons, and when it shows up she ends it.

Angels saves both lives and souls. To do this he has to go out and look, often times with help from on high, but the question isn't one of effort, it' about purpose. Angel makes the world a better place by protecting the innocent (most of the time at any rate) Buffy does it by killing the guilty.

Angel represents protection and redemption, Buffy represents vengance and destruction.

I always felt that protecting the good was more important than punishing the bad, so I've liked Angel more since I fist saw the show.

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So my dislike of Buffy, which is minor at most, is based on the way Buffy approaches the problem of evil, not the quality of the show.

Glad that you've found something you like there.

ECGORDON

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:39 AM

I never thought much about Buffy before I became a Firefly fan. The few times I caught it or Angel while channel surfing it was mid-episode, so I didn't know anything about what was going on or the character development during the course of either series. It did appear to be cheesy and beneath my level.

Boy, was I wrong. Later rented them all from Netflix, and I now own all but the last seasons of both. It is just a matter of time til I get those, in fact that's what I have in mind to get with my next amazon gift certificate.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:30 AM

I too have come, albiet way late, to the Buffy party.

But the bastards @ Blockbuster screwed up, and I'm getting the DVDs out of order in the mail. I am SO pissed. I need to send a movie back now w/ out seeing it yet ( Crash ) just to get the 3rd disc for Season 1.

I'm SO fucking pissed! That's 2 weeks now I'm having to wait because of their screw up.

Grrrrr!

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SAMEERTIA

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:36 AM

Buffy took longer for me to warm to, and honestly, back when I dissed Buffy, I hadn't really watched Buffy.

It wasn't until it was running in the "after-work" spot that I started using it for my evening workout distraction. (pacing is PERFECT for weight lifting) and then I was hooked.

I'm not a perfect fan. I don't own the dvds and as such have never seen the musical or "Hush". But I believe that Buffy was a tremendous series and that those who diss Buffy are those who've never actually WATCHED Buffy.
:)

Welcome to the darkside! We'll be playing Kitten Poker later...

GROOSALUGG

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:48 AM

If you're enjoying Buffy so far, but don't yet love it, I'd urge you to stick with it at least thru the end of S2. The first year, besides being just 12 eps long, is sort of a "getting their feet under them" kind of season--for both the cast and the writers. The second season is when it really takes off.

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:14 AM

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Buffy took longer for me to warm to, and honestly, back when I dissed Buffy, I hadn't really watched Buffy.

Ditto. I used to think it was just a stupid spinoff made out of a stupid movie, for a network that was desperate to have *something* to put on the air. That was, of course, before I'd ever seen a single episode of it. And I held to that belief until last summer, when I "discovered" Buffy, and to my shock, realized that this wasn't just 90210 with fangs - this was some of the best writing I'd ever seen on TV!

As for Firefly being way better than Buffy... well, yes and no. I agree that Firefly was Joss at his best (so far, anyway); the writing, dialog, pacing, action, and humor are just SOOOOO right on the money. Everything just clicks, in ways that Buffy and Angel just hinted at, or got close to, but never *quite* to the perfection that Firefly achieved. But if I had to choose one complete series set to own on DVD, it'd likely be Buffy over Firefly. Why? Quantity, pure and simple. Firefly was fantastic, but there just isn't near enough of it. Buffy, while not quite as good, is still amazingly good TV - and there's seven seasons worth of watchy goodness to love! Even if you don't like some seasons or particular episodes, there's still an awful lot of great in that big box o' DVDs. :)

Fortunately, this isn't a world where I have to make that choice. I get to have all the Buffy DVDs, all the Angel DVDs, AND all the Firefly and Serenity as icing on the cake.

Mike

A baby seal walks into a club...

RIVER6213

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:07 AM

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Have sympathy on this poor hypocrite. She knows not what she does.

For years I have spouted my negative views on all that is Buffy. And while, to a certain extent, I still retain those views, I'm attempting to be more open-minded.

I say all of this because I just finished watching the first two episodes of Buffy. My original reasons for doing this were mostly Firefly realted (I wanted to see some of our BDH's in previous roles, not to mention David Boreanaz). However, while watching, I came to sort of an epiphany. Buffy really isn't that bad. Sure it's a little dated, and the vamps look cheesy as hell, but hey, it was what, 1996? TV wasn't operating on the same level that it is now, or even when Firefly was on. Not to mention the fact the show was probably geared towards teenagers, which effected the way in which the content was displayed. But all in all, the show is actually watchable, even enjoyable.

So in conclusion, I am offically renouncing my anti-Buffy ways. We may have a conversion on our hands yet. (Of course, I doubt it will top Firefly anytime soon )

I'm with you.

I would never have ever watched BTVS without having listened to the people here. I find though, that BTVS is a very good watch, and it is also very clear that Buffy is more than just a Vampire Slayer.

River

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