And slowly the country wakes up- IT'S ABOUT GORRAM TIME.

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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CHRISISALL

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:29 PM

Check out where the hard-core dumasses reside...
http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/05/bush_country.php

(Thanks for the link, Dreamtrove, wherever you is...)

But is enough to take back our country next election? No Bush-clones, please Lord!

Tired of the bushit Chrisisall

KHYRON

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:48 PM

I miss dreamtrove...

Anyway, interesting article, but can't phrases such as "has eroded down to just three barren Western states" and "The arid Western trio" be seen as some sort of ad hominem attack? I've been to Wyoming and it definitely didn't seem that arid or barren, but maybe global warming changed all that in the time since then.

Unfortunately, the only voter opinion that counts is the one on election day (and I'm not talking about exit polls), and while all of this looks promising, I refer to the German elections last year where the CDU had a huge majority in polls during the months leading up to the election and then ended up winning the election by only one or two percent.

Other people can occasionally be useful, especially as minions. I want lots of minions.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 7:54 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:

can't phrases such as "has eroded down to just three barren Western states" and "The arid Western trio" be seen as some sort of ad hominem attack?

That did tickle me a bit.

Ad Chrisisall

RUE

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:13 PM

It would have been nice if the title had been - Bush Support Dries Up. With a grab-bag of mixed metaphors thrown in like 'once rock solid', 'support evaporating', 'withering popularity' ...

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Check out where the hard-core dumasses reside...
http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/05/bush_country.php

(Thanks for the link, Dreamtrove, wherever you is...)

But is enough to take back our country next election? No Bush-clones, please Lord!

Tired of the bushit Chrisisall

But Chrisisall, how can we take back the country and get Bush out next election and this corrupt administration when our whole voting system has been comprimised , and we've already had two stolen elections, I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again,(not that the democrates would be much better) its not going to happen, I hope that I'm wrong but I seriously doubt it.

P.J

CITIZEN

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
But is enough to take back our country next election? No Bush-clones, please Lord!

Tired of the bushit Chrisisall

Would the two term rule apply to a Clone? It's a question that needs answering.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
And as you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say.

LANCER

Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:34 PM

Maybe if Bush acctually tried being a conservitive, and didnt enjoy spending time erroding his own party he would have more than a 30% approval rating.

Well, here I am

SIGNYM

Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:43 AM

I think FEMA needs to send an emergency shipment of java to these three states.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

FREDGIBLET

Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:40 AM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
But Chrisisall, how can we take back the country and get Bush out next election and this corrupt administration when our whole voting system has been comprimised , and we've already had two stolen elections, I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again,(not that the democrates would be much better) its not going to happen, I hope that I'm wrong but I seriously doubt it.

P.J

Actually I have heard several times that Jeb has said that he is not going to run, I don't blame him G-dub is going to be a hard act to follow.

I actually read an article in my local newspaper (which regularly recieves hate-mail about being too liberal) that put forth a rather convincing arguement that Jeb is much more suited to the job than G-dub. That being said I am still probably voting for Christopher Walken

DAYVE

Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:01 AM

The apathy in this country is appalling. Will people wake up? We can hope, but I see it all the time.... the total lack of concern for our future. The "what have you done for me lately" crowd... or the multitude of Ditto-Heads...
Until the majority of people here actually learn to think for themselves and stop blindly following the flavor of the month...i'm afraid all of us will suffer.
Many people here don't agree with me, but once again i have to lay the blame where i see it... religious fundamentalism... I have nothing against people of faith, people who truely believe in a higher power, but i'm talking about the fanatics who preach hate and dispair who are ruining this country....

hope i don't ruin this thread...it was not my intention....
just my opinion...

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 11:14 AM

I think in large part you are correct, and even the truly religious can be played, a large portion of them voted for Bush solely on the basis of his 'family values' and seeming faith....

Chrisisall

DAYVE

Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:20 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
and even the truly religious can be played,

yes, i'm afraid a large portion of the dear and fluffy flock were fleeced....

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:27 PM

You have a way with words, sir.

Illiterate Chrisisall

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, May 19, 2006 5:54 AM

How much you want to bet Jeb Bush is running for office!!

RIVER6213

Friday, May 19, 2006 6:05 AM

I seriously doubt America would stand for another Bush, but I have been wrong in the past concerning matters like this...from time to time.

River

SONOFMAN

Friday, May 19, 2006 10:30 AM

i agree with you guys, Bush is the most openly destructive president in recent memory, maybe history. but this is because the agenda to create a global, 1 world UN type government is in full swing. our only hope is that the truth about this New World Order takeover of America is revealed, because right now the mainstream, establishment media is leading people by the nose to this ultimate conclusion, by design. the biggest single event i can point to is 9/11..since it is clear now that our government created, or allowed those attacks in order to initiate the final stages of this agenda. i refer you to the PNAC documents, the downing street memos, and the wealth of archives with evidence of prior knowledge and complicity (prisonplanet.com)

dont believe thats possible? google "operation northwoods", where in 1962 our military actually plotted staging terrorist strikes AGAINST AMERICANS, desquised as Cubans, to provide a pretext to invade Cuba pre-emptively! and as if that isnt shocking enough, investigate the "Golf of Tonkin" incident, where apparently its been uncovered that the events that led to the Vietnam War actually DIDNT happen as we were told, and that the whole bloody mess was essentially engineered!

we all must realize Bush, like Clinton, or any other elitist blue-blood that gets chosen for office(cause we dont pick them, we just vote on 'em), will ultimately fullfill an agenda which will benefit people in the same social bracket. if your a multi-million, or especially billionaire, you can call yourself whatever you want, it doesnt change what you are. all this partisan rhetoric and bickering is not only non-productive, but it is actually regressive since we are busy at eachothers throats over irrelevant half truths. the only compromise being made is we, the middle and lower classes, compromising our ideals, our wages and our liberties. realize democrats/republicans = good cop/bad cop

like others have mentioned, the last thing we need is another Bush clone..but that includes just about anyone the Democrats will put up at the national level. allow me to let some of you in on a little secret: you guys knew that Kerry and Bush were cousins right? did you also know that they are related to the Royal Windsor family also?? or that Gore is an extended reletive? or that Clinton is considered a "son" among the Bushs?? i mean this is a mochery...this is about royal bloodlines and wealthy connections..not about imaginary idealogical labels. the Democrats call this the right wing scheme machine, but in their hypocracy they are blind to their own party members associated with this same corruption. as if corruption is strictly a partisan infliction. accept that we may really be an oligarchy, with the illusion of free democracy

but even they are all merely puppets of the true orchestrators, the central banks, the transnational corporations, and the global elite. for example..the FED, many people dont know..is a private bank! its a central bank! its actually un-constitutional! that means a board of 13 members are printing money, from nothing, and selling it WITH INTEREST to the US government!! we have a multi=trillion dollar deficit right now that is going into private hands...and into no-bid contracts for huge corporations like Haliburton and Lockheed-Martin. this same money buys our presidential electives, and almost every other prominant legislative role in our government today..thats the kind of $hit we're in. the creation of the FED is one notable atrocity..but its not hard to fathom, when you have 2+ lobbysists per legistlator, representing multi-trillion dollar entities

and the war on terror is a complete insult on to our intelligence..and yet many people actually buy into it!! we have politicians who are protecting an open-border policy, and yet we are to believe that its neccessary to wiretap every phone call in the US. the truth is that the constitution stands in the way of their sovereign-less one world fascist serfdom...and "the war on terror" is the perfect, ominous engine to

ARABIKUM

Friday, May 19, 2006 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by SonofMan:
...we have politicians who are protecting an open-border policy, and yet we are to believe that its neccessary to wiretap every phone call in the US. the truth is that the constitution stands in the way of their sovereign-less one world fascist serfdom...and "the war on terror" is the perfect, ominous engine to create a permanant climate of fear capable of chipping away at our personal liberties. and notice how the media hypes pandemics and other crisis...all part of the fearmongering propoganda campaign

Yeah. This is really becoming creepy there. As you all know, the CIA abducted dozens of foreign citizens under the "war against terror"-label, "questioned" them in secret hideouts in Poland or Romania and if anybody dares to sue, like Mr. Khaled El Masri i.E., the "lawyer of the Bush Administration tells the Judge that moving forward with the case would risk national security by exposing state secrets about CIA activities vital to the U.S. war on terrorism".

Thats ridiculous. This “war-against-terror” seems to be destroying the main principles of freedom & democracy. Well done, NSA (Numerous Secret Abductions?).

A.

Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.

Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?

Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 19, 2006 11:52 AM

Problem is, there isn't anyone on the Left willing to lead. Say what you will about Bush, he was better than Gore and Kerry. And no, neither election was 'stolen', as Piratejenny has stated. That's just the epitome of a sore loser trying to explain away getting their ass kicked. ' You cheated! ' Waaahhh!

As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

A more accurate measure is how the votes turn out, come this summer and then in November. These pointless , daily reading of the country's 'mood' don't really reflect much more than what the pollsters intend on being reported.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

FLATTOP

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:07 PM

Interesting som. Almost enough to make me look up the geneologies of the last few presidents.
Elections have basically been reduced to 'Which pile of go-se would you like to eat?' It doesn't matter which you choose, you are still eating go-se.

Ehem...
"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness..."

For those of you who don't recognize it, the above is from 'Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America.' More commonly reffered to as 'The Declaration of Independence'.

I would really like to see, as a high school graduation requirement, each student be required to pass a test on the Constitution of the U.S., the constitution of the state they live in, and demonstrate the proper excercise of the big 3: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press, and The right to Keep and Bear Arms.

YMMV

Do you know what your sin is Captain?

Aw Hell. I'm a big fan of all seven.

SONOFMAN

Friday, May 19, 2006 12:37 PM

not only are they related, im sure you're aware that both Kerry and Bush were members of Skull and Bones aswell...a secret society, established in 1832 admittedly to overthrow the US government. they make a pledge to their brothers which supersedes any other oath they may partake! that is worth investigating...since many members of this society eventually take prominant posititions in American society; especially since the group has been known to promote directly threatening concepts opposed to our constitutionl. if only we the public were more familiar with it...then maybe there would be more support for..the constitution party for example!...that our 2 primary parties run against a strict interpetation of the constitution should tell us something...

but about stealing elections, it recently came out that the DeBold electronic voter machines have been revealed to have been designed with 3, count 'em THREE seperate built in backdoor channels allowing for hacking. that DeBold has something like 50% of the market is disconcerting, considering the competitiviness of the last few federal elections.

the more you look at it, the more obvious that this is a deliberate agenda, spanning parties...there is no other reasonable conclusion

HERO

Friday, May 19, 2006 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again

Thats the spirit. I hope all the liberals think the same way.

My money is on Jeb Bush not running in 2008, although if the Democrats win in '08 then Jeb could be a good challenger in '12.

I think we are also seeing a shift in the debate. I think that Democrats need to take a close look at the last 6 years. Everytime they've challenged the President on an issue, they've lost. And everytime they have gotten any momentum, they've lost. My money is on them losing again this fall. Imagine, PA and OH both with conservative, African-American Republican Governors, both of whom will speak at the Republican Convention in 2008 and be on the VP shortlist.

McCain/Swann in 2008...vs. maybe a Kerry, Clinton, or a Gore? I suppose they could put up Obama as a counter...but he's a lightweight with one good speech under his belt...that didn't work for them the last time they tried someone like that (William Jennings Bryan).

"Having behind us the producing masses of this nation and the world, supported by the commercial interests, the laboring interests and the toilers everywhere, we will answer their demand for a gold standard by saying to them: You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."- Bryan, 1896.

H

FLETCH2

Friday, May 19, 2006 3:11 PM

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Originally posted by Khyron:
I miss dreamtrove...

Try using a telescopic sight......

DAYVE

Friday, May 19, 2006 3:45 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You have a way

i have a way ? .... is that better than a plan ?

I'm certainly not the person to argue New World Order politics... i just don't have enough facts to present a decent debate, but i do know that you can google Illimunati and find some pretty spooky things.
Hell, the Freemasons have freaked me out for years... what's with the aprons?

However, i don't doubt that there are powers that be who fully desire to shape the world to their own preverted way of thinking - that being said, it amuses me that, here is George W.... a rube, a puppet being used to advance the neo-conservative agenda; a man who desires to control the world... and yet he still can't control the pesky mesquite problem on his own measley 50 acre ranch...

how did we come to this... it seems to me that we deserve better.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 19, 2006 6:24 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

Thank you, AURaptor, I know that wasn't easy to say...

Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 19, 2006 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

McCain/Swann in 2008...vs. maybe a Kerry, Clinton, or a Gore?

Alien VS. Predator; Whoevever wins, we lose.

Chrisisall

SONOFMAN

Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:42 AM

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Originally posted by Dayve:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You have a way

i have a way ? .... is that better than a plan ?

I'm certainly not the person to argue New World Order politics... i just don't have enough facts to present a decent debate, but i do know that you can google Illimunati and find some pretty spooky things.
Hell, the Freemasons have freaked me out for years... what's with the aprons?

However, i don't doubt that there are powers that be who fully desire to shape the world to their own preverted way of thinking - that being said, it amuses me that, here is George W.... a rube, a puppet being used to advance the neo-conservative agenda; a man who desires to control the world... and yet he still can't control the pesky mesquite problem on his own measley 50 acre ranch...

how did we come to this... it seems to me that we deserve better.

i appreciate your comments..there is certainly an entire world of history that has been withheld from us on account of these secret societies.

from my best understanding to date..this can be traced back, if you are willing to consider the Bible, to illuminous knowledge, passed down by the elite trhough secret societies, dating all the way back to ancient Sumer. things like conditioning and mind control are techniques, i believe*, that were given to Man by the fallen angels, or the annunnaki, at the very dawn of human civilazation. the babylonians and egyptians were experts at engineered societal control, and it is my contention that the agenda that has been carried out by those in power, the royal bloodlines, has led us to this point, where we are on the brink of a fascist, global government, global economic serfdom, dumbed down dis-informed twilight zone reality that we are saddled wtih.

if i may refer you to a much more concise, in-debth and historically verified set of archive info, here is an interesting site. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

i just ask that you consider the relevency to the Bible, in regards to the ultimate agenda that is unfolding with the parallels of mystical knowledge through antiquity. the most obvious example i can give is the dollar bill, with the eye of Osiris and the pyramid of knowledge on the back. there is no doubt that there is an enormous ammount of occult symobolism in American government and politics today..it begs the question "i thought these were fundementalist Christians??" we have to consider the extend, and importance of such discoveries in relation to the beliefs of the elite who give energy and credence to these forces. if that seems hard to believe, research what the elite have been caught doing at the Bohemian grove. it seems clear to me to be an anti-christian agenda, despite what some might believe to be an otherwise Christian plan to dominate the world(or whatever the Democrats are claiming now). the evidence overwhelmingly points to the contrary..it makes you wonder, if Christianity is baseless, it is curious that the opposing belief would be embraced by such a distinguished portion of the populace. but thats all ill say, i dont want to start a bunch of controversy over mentioning the Bible as a reference

Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:39 AM

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I seriously doubt America would stand for another Bush, but I have been wrong in the past concerning matters like this...from time to time.

River

my point exactly, America won't stand for another Bush, after we let the last one cheat his way in twice in a row, I really don't think at this point it matters what Americans will stand for, they will do exactly what they want to do, just like they've done before, and continue to do. Although come 2008 I don't think anyone will be in denial about the cheating, thats why,(and this is my personal opinion) but I think something really nasty is going to happen after Jeb Bush and Co cheat their way in again, instead of another 9/11 I think its going to be something alot more devestating like a bomb, something that will cause so much chaos that they will be able to declare marshall law, Before you say Oh that won't happen this is America, I would just like to say 6 years ago I pretty much said everything thats happening now, and people said oh that won't happen this is America!!

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

Thank you, AURaptor, I know that wasn't easy to say...

Chrisisall

Hey, I'm just speaking truth to Chrisisall.

Bush has failed us with the expansion of the size of Gov't, increased spending, Harriet Miers, and now pure and complete amnesty to anyone who wants to wander across our borders and start picking strawberries, (ok, for Jewel's sake, we'll allow that

) spreading pine straw or hanging dry wall,....c'mon in! But you folks who want to come to the USA hoping to become doctors, architects and the like? You'll have to wait your turn, as we've set limits as to how many of your kind we want.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 20, 2006 3:40 PM

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Problem is, there isn't anyone on the Left willing to lead.

Hey, I'M willing to lead! Vote for ME!!

But I know what you mean. Most (but not all) politicians of either party are more than happy to play politics and trade favors and support/ vote for absolutely worthless legislation. That's why I think the politicans who voted against the Iraq war should be listened to, because they showed REAL leadership.

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Say what you will about Bush, he was better than Gore and Kerry.

I dunno. Would I rather have someone who waffles at the edge of a cliff or someone who confidently leads me over it? In some cases doing "nothing" is better than doing "something".

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And no, neither election was 'stolen', as Piratejenny has stated. That's just the epitome of a sore loser trying to explain away getting their ass kicked. ' You cheated! ' Waaahhh!

Auraptor, this is where you really need to pull your head out of your *ss. We judge the fairness of elections all over the world- from Afghanistan to the Ukraine- using exit polls. Our own exit polls have a track record that goes back decades- their error is well-known, as is the error of our vote tabulation. People far brighter than you and I looked at the probability of the exits polls and tabulations being so far off in 2004 and have come to the conclusion that FRAUD is the only possible explanation.

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As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

About 49-50% of the vote went to Bush. Approximately half of those people are now regretting their vote. So although Bush may not be as conservative as SOME people (most likely the religious right) had hoped for, he is more conservative than some of his other votes had anticpiated. You're basically comparing Bush's record to the farthest right of the conservative spectrum. So yeah- he's not Genghis Khan he's Emperor Nero. Whoopee.

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Don't piss in my face and tell me it's raining.

DAYVE

Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by SonofMan:
an interesting site. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

i just ask that you consider the relevency to the Bible......

with the eye of Osiris and the pyramid of knowledge on the back. there is no doubt that there is an enormous ammount of occult symobolism .....

the evidence overwhelmingly points to the contrary..it makes you wonder, if Christianity is baseless,

I agree that there is probably much that the majority of the worlds population has been kept in the dark about....and much of the secrecy dates to Biblical times.
I do consider the Bible as a relevant and viable source of information, perhaps not nearly as much as the more fundamentilist person would approach it.. (I lean toward science and a basic belief in evolution), but I do consider the Bible in many instances.
You mention Osiris, who was (I believe) also worshiped by the Pagans who predated the written word of the Bible. In fact, some recent authors have written that the "Resurrecting Man" cult of the Pagans perhaps led to the "invention" of Jesus Christ...and while I remain undecided on this matter one way or another, the premise poses many unanswered questions.
I realize that this issue is cause for much debate and one that could stir animosity on either side. That is certainly not my wish here. I do prefer to keep an open mind and hear all arugments equally before deciding an issue. I try not to force my beliefs on anyone, however I do express my opinion, only in the desire to begin honest and open debate, in the hopes of better understanding that which remains a mystery to me.
Thanks for the link... I have visited the site before, but not lately. I will review it soon.

SONOFMAN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:53 AM

to be honost, i would rather have people attack this issue from all sides, we would be more productive. if it becomes a anti-christian conspiracy(like i personally believe), then we risk getting discredited as the lunatic fringe. we need un-biased research definately. if people who are not necessarily bible believers can form a credible case against this elite conspiracy, then lets do it. i just cant help but recognize the overlap in my belief and the apparent belief of the occultists; in that mine is/was directly opposed to theirs.

my thing about the Bible, everyone from Noah to Abraham would be familiar with the cultural beliefs of the time, since they were caught directly in the middle of them. the Bibles claim is that Abrahams descendants where chosen to redeem mankind from its fallen, corrupted state. i have to believe that as aware as we are of the origins of the bibles stories, how much more so were they? the difference being that the bible views the same events from a different vantage point..which is where it differs, since it claims to be Gods intercession to man, rather than Mans experience with god-like beings. now thats my opinion..i realize im biased. but i believe the eye witness accounts of Jesus' miracles(since even the Jews didnt deny them..and they despised him), and the witnesses to his ressurection...along with the sound theology of the NT. but i dont mean to divert this discussion

a good public discussion about this from all sides, atleast to shed light on the innaccuracies, if nothing else, is vitally needed. i mean, if the Government can prove us wrong, then do it and silence us already! i suspect its not soo easy, which would imply some guilt, right?

CITIZEN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:10 AM

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a good public discussion about this from all sides, atleast to shed light on the innaccuracies, if nothing else, is vitally needed. i mean, if the Government can prove us wrong, then do it and silence us already! i suspect its not soo easy, which would imply some guilt, right?

It doesn't imply guilt.

If conspiracy theorists can prove that the world is run by British-Commie-Nazi-Alien-Jews why don't they do that instead of ranting and raving about the NWO and what will happen to us all.

Kind of implies they can't, doesn't it.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:11 PM

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And no, neither election was 'stolen', as Piratejenny has stated. That's just the epitome of a sore loser trying to explain away getting their ass kicked. ' You cheated! ' Waaahhh!
Auraptor, this is where you really need to pull your head out of your *ss. We judge the fairness of elections all over the world- from Afghanistan to the Ukraine- using exit polls. Our own exit polls have a track record that goes back decades- their error is well-known, as is the error of our vote tabulation. People far brighter than you and I looked at the probability of the exits polls and tabulations being so far off in 2004 and have come to the conclusion that FRAUD is the only possible explanation.

You're making the ASSumption that those doing the exit polling weren't trying to skew the vote themsleves. From Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004, there hasn't been ONE substantiated claim of voter fraud. You say 'fraud', and yet offer no evidence. Were there problems in the system? Clearly there was. But pointing that out doesn't mean there was fraud by default. Sorry, but every precinct is responsible for running their own elections. But if you want to talk about known fraud and a stolen election, go back to the 1960 JFK win over Nixon.

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As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.
About 49-50% of the vote went to Bush. Approximately half of those people are now regretting their vote. So although Bush may not be as conservative as SOME people (most likely the religious right) had hoped for, he is more conservative than some of his other votes had anticpiated. You're basically comparing Bush's record to the farthest right of the conservative spectrum. So yeah- he's not Genghis Khan he's Emperor Nero. Whoopee.

You mistakenly think that those who regret voting for Bush did so on the basis he's TOO conservative. Nothing could be further from the truth. On matters I stated above, Bush has drifted far more toward the centre/Left, at the very same time his " poll numbers" have dropped. While Gas prices ( which a President has zero control over ) and the war in Iraq have something to do w/it, his policy choices in other areas leaves Conservatives fuming.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:02 PM

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You're making the ASSumption that those doing the exit polling weren't trying to skew the vote themsleves. From Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004, there hasn't been ONE substantiated claim of voter fraud. You say 'fraud', and yet offer no evidence.

So the exit pollsters- the same one that have been doing our exit polls for decades- NOW suddenly implement their long-term and heretofor invisible plan to skew the election??? You have no proof- not even a shred of evidence- that there was a conspiracy to skew the exit polls. However, it does seem suspicious that the worst cases of divergence occurred in counties where electronic voting machine with NO AUDIT TRAIL were being used.

As far as no proof of fraud- seriously 'Rap, is your head up there for the warmth??? There certainly was proof of fraud in the 2000 election. Katherine Harris, the FLA nut-job running for Senate who was Scy State at the time- kicked 19,000 people off the voter rolls when even the compnay that was generating that list (Choice Point) complained- BY LETTER- that there were not enough matching fields in the data (first names, last-names, birth dates didn't match) to confirm identities. Harris basically wrote back instructing them to keep on as they had been. She sent out the lists to the various counties, many of which assumed that the lists were correct. I'll see if I can find the link.

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Were there problems in the system? Clearly there was. But pointing that out doesn't mean there was fraud by default. Sorry, but every precinct is responsible for running their own elections. But if you want to talk about known fraud and a stolen election, go back to the 1960 JFK win over Nixon.

Does this mean that just because JFK did it, you think I'm going to automatically say its's OK? No, I'm not. But why would I want to talk about something that ended when I was in... oh, third grade? JFK isn't in office now, Bush is.

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FREDGIBLET

Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:20 PM

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While Gas prices ( which a President has zero control over )

Control, no. Influence, yes. Bush started a war in the Middle East, wars in the Middle East make OPEC nervous (and angry), particularly when they are pre-emptive. Additionally, our continued presence in Iraq, and our recent problems with Iran aren't doing anything to help. And also our dear President got his job because of money from oil campanies, they know that he won't even try to stop them from charging whatever they want. I don't blame Bush in particular for the gas prices, I blame Big Oil which happens to include Bush.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:06 PM

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As for Bush, he's turned out to be far less conservative than those who voted for him had hoped.

Bush has failed us with the expansion of the size of Gov't, increased spending, "

Oops! Sounding like Dreamtrove here...

The conservative Chrisisall

SONOFMAN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:32 PM

Citizen-

it could be possible to prove sufficiently that their is some kind of massive cover-up, with just the known data thats been revealed, only i have yet to see a honost-to-goodness, faithfull attempt to co-operate at all levels..especially when it comes to withholding intelligence(such as the NSA/white house). but something of this magnitude entirely relies on the medias willingness to run with a story like they're willing to do with Natalie Holoway or Bird Flue. if the major media conglomorates are part of the problem though, then subsequently, and likewise...anytime the conspiracy related evidence goes public(like with Charlie Sheen lately..but there have been numerous, prominant whistle blowers who get no recognition), the media goes into attack mode, and the statements become awash and diverted into "who let the crazy hollywood liberal with the tinfoil hat speak?" knee jerk hour. i know of popular mechanics attempting to expose the faulty logic in the conspiracies..so likewise they chose to discredit the less likely scenarios that are floating around out there(which leads me to believe that it may have been a hit-piece)..but then, maybe im just believing what i want to believe huh?

but i do know that the 9/11 commission alone can be considered a white-wash; if any of you have read David Griffins "9/11 report: ommissions and distortions", its a really concise compilation of the data that we highly-skeptical elitists conspiracy theorists run with

CITIZEN

Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:27 PM

And I have yet to see an honest to goodness coherent theory from the loony camp.

Your both as bad as each other.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
"I had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalog: 'No good in a bed, but fine against a wall'." -- Eleanor Roosevelt.

KWICKO

Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:35 AM

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I suppose they could put up Obama as a counter...but he's a lightweight with one good speech under his belt...

I've gotta rebut that a bit...

That "one good speech", in and of itself, would make him IMMINENTLY more qualified than our current President, who can't string two words together without a long pregnant "Uhhmmm....Uh..." between them.

And before you list Dubya's governorship of Texas as a "qualification" for his current position, please know that that post is purely a figurehead position in my state. The Texas Legislature had Union "carpetbagger" governors forced on it during the Reconstruction after the US Civil War, and said Legislature amended the Texas State Constitution *specifically* to severely limit the Governor's powers in this state. The true power here is in the hands of the Lieutenant Governor, and to a somewhat lesser degree in the hands of the Railroad Commissioner (who oversees and wields power over how, when, and where things go in this state - things such as OIL and drilling equipment!).

As for how much actual power the Governor of Texas holds... well, he's tied for dead last (49th out of 50, a two-way tie) in terms of how powerful his position is compared with other state Governors. Ours is tied with South Dakota's. according to my University Of Texas-approved Government textbooks. You might be able to force a Governor upon us, but you can't make us give him any real power once he's here.

So Barak Obama, a US Senator, has infinitely more power than the Governor of Texas. And as an added bonus, he can spell the word "cat" without your having to spot him the "c" and the "t", quite unlike our current President. There is one thing I admire about George W. Bush, though: his ability to tell his right from his left, often in as little as two tries! Takes him a bit longer to tell right from wrong, though...

Mike

"Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right."
- Laurens van der Post

PIRATEJENNY

Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:05 AM

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I think people are truly kidding themselves if they really think that voting is the answer to this problem, I've known all along that Jeb Bush is going to run for president next election, and he will win just like his brother won, they will cheat, and steal again, and if people think we are going to get a democratic congress they need to think again

Thats the spirit. I hope all the liberals think the same way.

My money is on Jeb Bush not running in 2008, although if the Democrats win in '08 then Jeb could be a good challenger in '12.

I think we are also seeing a shift in the debate. I think that Democrats need to take a close look at the last 6 years. Everytime they've challenged the President on an issue, they've lost. And everytime they have gotten any momentum, they've lost. My money is on them losing again this fall. Imagine, PA and OH both with conservative, African-American Republican Governors, both of whom will speak at the Republican Convention in 2008 and be on the VP shortlist.

McCain/Swann in 2008...vs. maybe a Kerry, Clinton, or a Gore? I suppose they could put up Obama as a counter...but he's a lightweight with one good speech under his belt...that didn't work for them the last time they tried someone like that (William Jennings Bryan).

"Having behind us the producing masses of this nation and the world, supported by the commercial interests, the laboring interests and the toilers everywhere, we will answer their demand for a gold standard by saying to them: You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."- Bryan, 1896.

H

Zero you think the path to least resistance is despair, I think the path to least resistance is faith....ok so I heard that quote in a movie but I agree with it and think it fits.

your faith in our current government and those like you, and your lock step approach to everything they do is killing this country, but I guess thats what your aiming for!!