Karl Rove Betrayed CIA Agent's Cover - Anyone Surprised?
POSTED BY: Knibblet
UPDATED: Thursday, July 18, 2024 00:11
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?
Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.
Rove's got cards he ain't played yet. The mysterious 'other' source will materialize and take one for the team. That's my guess.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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I didn't respond to your posting way up near the top, but I did agree with it. And I agree with this posting too, though I hope - really, really hope - you (and I) are wrong.
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Bingo!
Thank you kindly for saying what I REALLY meant to say. I'm an upper-middle-class-white-chick. I spent 10 years in the Air Force. Of my brothers and sisters (5 of us total) we spent 35 years in service. I have always advocated the military as a way of life for the young people I know who could both take it and thrive in it.
Now? I couldn't tell a kid the join the military. I'm seeing misadventure everywhere. Bush & Co are using our forces as a way of expanding the financial empires of their rich cronies.
Iraq had no WMD. Iraq didn't have the strength to cause its neighbors alarm. Iraq had NO connections to 9/11 or Al Quaida.
What does Iraq have? Oil.
I don't see Bush's daughters there - I do see him continuing to bang that war drum though. I don't see him or his ilk convincing their children to put themselves in harm's way.
Frak! I've hijacked my own thread.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
True enough, but I think the point was not that random people are pulled off the streets and sent. That's the real tragedy of it. These are truly people who love their country, who've volunteered to protect it. To send them on unnecessary adventures would be an abuse of trust. If a war is the grave necessity our leaders say, then they out to be willing to put their own flesh and blood on the line, alongside the sons and daughters of the nations taxpayers.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Anyhow, the logic hole of 'sending' people into the military is obvious. If any adult wants to join the military, they can.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/
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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Bingo!
Thank you kindly for saying what I REALLY meant to say. I'm an upper-middle-class-white-chick. I spent 10 years in the Air Force. Of my brothers and sisters (5 of us total) we spent 35 years in service. I have always advocated the military as a way of life for the young people I know who could both take it and thrive in it.
Now? I couldn't tell a kid the join the military. I'm seeing misadventure everywhere. Bush & Co are using our forces as a way of expanding the financial empires of their rich cronies.
Iraq had no WMD. Iraq didn't have the strength to cause its neighbors alarm. Iraq had NO connections to 9/11 or Al Quaida.
What does Iraq have? Oil.
I don't see Bush's daughters there - I do see him continuing to bang that war drum though. I don't see him or his ilk convincing their children to put themselves in harm's way.
Frak! I've hijacked my own thread.Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:
True enough, but I think the point was not that random people are pulled off the streets and sent. That's the real tragedy of it. These are truly people who love their country, who've volunteered to protect it. To send them on unnecessary adventures would be an abuse of trust. If a war is the grave necessity our leaders say, then they out to be willing to put their own flesh and blood on the line, alongside the sons and daughters of the nations taxpayers.Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Anyhow, the logic hole of 'sending' people into the military is obvious. If any adult wants to join the military, they can.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/
It was never about the oil. It was about the strategic military location of Iraq. We won't see peace for another 50 years in my opinion.
As for politicians forcing THEIR kids into joining the military, that's absurd... when the draft occurs, and it will (we can't fight on so many fronts without it), if their kids aren't included in the mix then we will have something to bitch about. Until the draft occurs, everyone in the military, like it or not, is still volunteer and knew the potential was there to be called up to fight.
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Except the reservists whose expectation was that they would protect the home sod while the real troops were fighting on foreign soil.
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Originally posted by rue:
Where oh where was your concern for due process when it came to Ward Churchill?
Where, oh, where is your concern for due process?
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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.
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The part Rove seems to have done. Is confirm that Plame was CIA and did this AFTER the story came out. That is what was said but if we are going to have a conspiracy make sure to have the real story here be about the Space Aliens using their orbital mind control ray ..... Oh wait what mind control ray.... Nothing to see here.
TANSTAAFL
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The concept of 'Total Force' was designed in part to ensure that reservists and guard would be called up. The idea was to make everyone's neighbors vulnerable and effect everyone's lives.
One of the reasons wars drag on so long is that 'regular' people don't have military experience and don't know anyone in uniform. Ergo, they don't really notice when bodies and lives are getting blown to bits.
Even with total force, people are able to turn a blind eye to the horror. They justify or ignore the carnage. "They volunteered what did they expect" is one disgusting refrain from the masses.
People being able to NOT be involved and ignore what is going on is reprehensible and is one of the reasons I've always supported a draft and national service with NO college exemption.
Here's my perfect world of universal service and or draft: Everyone -- male or female, rich or poor -- if you are of sound mind and body, you serve.
No college exemptions. You will serve before you go off to school or you will serve after graduation. No weasles getting out of it.
If you are a conciencious objector you get to spend four years picking up trash along our nation's rivers or serving in some other way that doesn't involve carrying a gun.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Except the reservists whose expectation was that they would protect the home sod while the real troops were fighting on foreign soil.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/
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Originally posted by Knibblet:
The concept of 'Total Force' was designed in part to ensure that reservists and guard would be called up. The idea was to make everyone's neighbors vulnerable and effect everyone's lives.
One of the reasons wars drag on so long is that 'regular' people don't have military experience and don't know anyone in uniform. Ergo, they don't really notice when bodies and lives are getting blown to bits.
Even with total force, people are able to turn a blind eye to the horror. They justify or ignore the carnage. "They volunteered what did they expect" is one disgusting refrain from the masses.
Being able to NOT be involved is one of the reasons I've always supported a draft and national service with NO college exemption.
Here's my perfect world of universal service and or draft: Everyone -- male or female, rich or poor -- if you are of sound mind and body, you serve.
No college exemptions. You will serve before you go off to school or you will serve after graduation. No weasles getting out of it.
If you are a conciencious objector you get to spend four years picking up trash along our nation's rivers or serving in some other way that doesn't involve carrying a gun.Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Except the reservists whose expectation was that they would protect the home sod while the real troops were fighting on foreign soil.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/
Great post Knibblet. It might force us to be a little less free with the Globalization agenda. Then again..who knows. Our government would probably create a loophole to prevent THEIR kids from ever seeing active combat.
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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
It might force us to be a little less free with the Globalization agenda. Then again..who knows. Our government would probably create a loophole to prevent THEIR kids from ever seeing active combat.
I can only assume you're referring to the current batch of powerful men whose family connections got them a "get out of vietnam free card" and into reserve units?
No exemptions. No college exemptions. No 'wife and kids' exemptions. No 'other priorities' exemptions. No weasling your kids into the guard or reserves (which with Total Force aren't 'safe' anymore anyway) by bypassing hundreds of people on waiting lists.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/
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