Karl Rove Betrayed CIA Agent's Cover - Anyone Surprised?
POSTED BY: Knibblet
UPDATED: Thursday, July 18, 2024 00:11
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Quote:Well, let's see. Private and public management always reserve for themselves the right to immediately dismiss employees for serious infractions. This is completely outside of law enforcement jurisdiction. A person has NO constitutional protection from private entities and only limited protection from public ones acting as employers. But there is some managerial precedent for providing for basic fairness while at the same time dealing with serious allegations. Suspension (paid or unpaid) is the option of choice here.
Where, oh, where is your concern for due process?
So, find me a quote where I say Rove should be instantly fired.
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Quote:I never said it was okay for anyone to do it. That’s your imagination. Without a doubt I don’t care much for the guy, and I certainly sympathize with the families who don’t want their children being taught by an instructor that openly condones mass murder. I’m not going to apologize for that. I don’t care much for a lot people who condone mass murder. None of that has anything to do with whether I called for his dismissal which I clearly did not. And for you to use it that way, especially after I’ve explicitly stated the contrary, is silly. It would be comedic, if you weren’t actually trying to be serious.
Originally posted by rue:
About his being fired, you said YOU would not do it but it would be OK for other people to. . . . But you certainly have a record of deciding he was a fraud, incompetent, a Nazi clone, fire-able (though not by you of course, you're far too interested in due process), a fruitcake etc etc etc. Yep. You're a fair minded guy just looking for due process in the interests of justice.
Quote:Why? You’ve already set the bar on this much lower. All we have to do is show that you don’t agree with him, and according to you, that’s evidence of wanting him dismissed. Or are you a hypocrite?
Originally posted by rue:
So, find me a quote where I say Rove should be instantly fired.
Quote:His ilk? Most of the military are Bush supporters? Most of the military in Iraq voted for Bush, twice. And none of them were coerced into the military, not by Bush. They support Bush and joined the military totally on their own.
Originally posted by Knibblet:
I don't see Bush's daughters there - I do see him continuing to bang that war drum though. I don't see him or his ilk convincing their children to put themselves in harm's way.
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His ilk? Most of the military are Bush supporters? Most of the military in Iraq voted for Bush, twice. And none of them were coerced into the military, not by Bush. They support Bush and joined the military totally on their own.
I never said the military was Bush's ilk. Never. Never. Never.
The military didn't want the war in Iraq and its leaders tried to warn the White House that we didn't have the people or resources for this adventure when we had real threats elsewhere (nuclear Korea for one). They were told to shut up and salute.
You'll never find anyone as anti-war and realistic about the costs of war as a military person.
His 'ilk' are politicians and other purveyors of sleaze who see war as a glorious adventure until it affects their personal asses getting shot off.
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*sigh* No-one liked my joke.
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.
I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?
Well, if we look at the history of rewarding behaviour like this by the GW admin., then I'm going to have to side with Jon Stewart. With something like this, his "punishment" will be a promotion to cheif justice on the supreme court.
Just a general comment though. Watching the news about what is happening politically in the US (mainly) is kinda like watching political satire. I'd laugh at the absurdity if I wasn't aware it was real. Right now it's just scary sad.
Anyone else feel this way?
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Quote:You mean- this one???
*sigh* No-one liked my joke.
Quote:OF COURSE I liked your joke! It caught me in the middle of drinking my ayem coffee, which I promptly snorted out my, er, nose!
Are you crazy?!?! Of course Mr. Bush can see what's under his nose. Otherwise, how could so much have gone up it?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
*sigh* No-one liked my joke.
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You mean- this one???Are you crazy?!?! Of course Mr. Bush can see what's under his nose. Otherwise, how could so much have gone up it? OF COURSE I liked your joke! It caught me in the middle of drinking my ayem coffee, which I promptly snorted out my, er, nose!
Ditto! Diet Pepsi burns like a mo-fo
I was working on forgetting it so as to heal and move on in life.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Just a general comment though. Watching the news about what is happening politically in the US (mainly) is kinda like watching political satire. I'd laugh at the absurdity if I wasn't aware it was real. Right now it's just scary sad.
Anyone else feel this way?
Yes. Yes. This is a very scary sad moment for us humans. We're gonna have to do some growing up very fast, if a whole crowd of disasters are to be avoided. People in this country are so frightened still, and angry. I thought that would have subsided by now. I thought the war would be far more unpopular by now than it is. I thought something would have tarnished Bush's lustre by now. Even militarily, we have seen failure after failure, but Bush has yet to admit to even the smallest mistake. I'm shocked that Americans are comforted by this b.s.
We need someone with a different vision of the future than the forever war. We need somebody to tell the American people to calm the hell down. If this is Viet Nam all over again, where the heck is the new Martin Luther King?
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SigmaNunki
I LOVED your joke ! I just didn't want to seem like I was trying to turn the thread into a love-fest. I'd hate for you to be lumped in with me. You'd take a lot of abuse.
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Finn, Finn, Finn ...
I am familiar enough with dodge phrases - it seems, it appears, I think ...
And with how you routinely malign people through implication.
So here it is, in a nutshell:
You said if he got his job through fraud he should be fired, and that he was not up to academic muster, and that his phony Indian 'status' got him the job. The only thing you left out was "therefore".
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Quote:[off topic] Many Americans are living a deep contradiction. On the one hand, they feel morally and militarily superior. On the other hand, they fear. But they have yet to experience that cold, still moment when survival calculations take place. When they are shocked into THINKING. Because they haven't truly taken the measure of their opponent, they are likely to act in dangerous ways.In the thread on Americans gunning down farmers, I posted a portion of an LA Times editorial that speculates rather specifically on the chances and outcome of an "Islamic" nuclear bomb. It seems unthinkable, but so was 9-11. I believe the invasion of Iraq will have powerfully dangerous consequences for us. I suspect this will be far worse than Vietnam ever was because potential oil resources and population size can combine to create a much stronger enemy. I hope I'm wrong. [/off topic]
Yes. Yes. This is a very scary sad moment for us humans. We're gonna have to do some growing up very fast, if a whole crowd of disasters are to be avoided. People in this country are so frightened still, and angry.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming...
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