Karl Rove Betrayed CIA Agent's Cover - Anyone Surprised?
POSTED BY: Knibblet
UPDATED: Thursday, July 18, 2024 00:11
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Quote:Where oh where was your concern for due process when it came to Ward Churchill?
Why should he fire Rove? How do you know he “did it?” Rove hasn’t been convicted of any crime, and I’ve not seen any hard evidence of anything, just the keyed up accusations of Liberals and other anti-Rovites. Just because you don’t agree with the guy doesn’t mean we should fire him at the first sign of the appearance of impropriety.
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My lack of concern for due process in Churchill’s case is a figment of your imagination. Anyone who bothers to read my posts in that topic will see quite clearly that I never called for Churchill’s dismissal.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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He’s not sending anyone who didn’t sign up to go. We have an all volunteer military. If the Bush twins want to try their hand at recruitment and possibly go to Iraq, that is their prerogative.
Excellent observation.
I saw Ferenheit 911 the other day, and found this to be the most ludicrous (sp?) argument used by the filmmaker.
He asserted that if members of congress supported the war, then they should 'send' their children to fight in Iraq.
I myself was unaware that anybody was 'sent' to Iraq. The filmmaker was making an inflammatory suggestion that was not supported by logic.
The filmmaker further said that only one member of congress had an enlisted child in the military.
I have wondered what he meant. Does only one member of congress have a child in the military, or does only one member of congress have a non-officer child in the military?
Because I think signing on as an officer counts as being in the military, too. Plus it's the smart thing to do if you can qualify for it.
Anyhow, the logic hole of 'sending' people into the military is obvious. If any adult wants to join the military, they can. (Assuming they are physically fit for it.)
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Anyhow, the logic hole of 'sending' people into the military is obvious. If any adult wants to join the military, they can. (Assuming they are physically fit for it.)
True enough, but I think the point was not that random people are pulled off the streets and sent. That's the real tragedy of it. These are truly people who love their country, who've volunteered to protect it. To send them on unnecessary adventures would be an abuse of trust. If a war is the grave necessity our leaders say, then they out to be willing to put their own flesh and blood on the line, alongside the sons and daughters of the nations taxpayers.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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About his being fired, you said YOU would not do it but it would be OK for other people to. Here are the other things you said, a lone voice crying for impartial evaluation and due process:
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FINN MAC CUMHAL
Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 20:42
I totally believe they could have hired this guy based purely on his supposed Native American background. Considering the idiotic things this clown has said, I find it hard to believe that he could have made it through the system without considerable hand waiving. Higher education in this country is pretty damn Left-wing, but I can’t believe it’s this stupid.
Although I could be wrong, but if this clown is a fair representation of American Academia, we just need to shut down the colleges and start over from scratch, because there’s no fixing something that broke.
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 22:12
bologna
He's a fruitcake.
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 22:38
I guess that depends on what you mean by quality research. My intern does quality research, but that doesn’t mean she can do the kind of work that the modelers do. If she could, she wouldn’t be an intern; we'd hire her on full time as an engineer or scientist. It doesn’t make any difference how many papers you cite, or write or how many hours you spend in the library, if at the end of the day you draw completely fallacious conclusions.
I’m sure Mr. Churchill would make a good intern.
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 23:02
Any idiot can publish a book. That's more dependent on public interest then on the advancement of knowledge.
As far as advancing the level of understanding within a particular field, I have yet to see anything from Chruchill that would convince me he has made any such significant advances. Your assumption that the quality of his research necessarily means his conclusion advance anything is precarious at best. I would argue that making the breakthrough discovery that innocent victims of a terrorist attack are equivalent to Nazi executioner of Jews is probably not as great a leap forward as one might think.
FINN MAC CUMHAL
... I don’t need to be intimately familiar with this man’s work in order to draw the conclusion that he is a fruitcake. I only need to be familiar enough, which I am.
FINN MAC CUMHAL
The “phenomenon of Nazi Germany” was that people like Churchill were in power. People who believed that targeting and murdering innocent people to achieve a political goal was completely justifiable. Fortunately, no one like Churchill is in power in the US today. But considering how people dismiss and justify fruitcakey comments, and how willing we seem to be to put a person like Churchill in a position where he can implant fruitcakey ideas in impressionable minds, maybe someday you’ll get your analogy.
Hitler was just a fruitcake who happened to be in power.
FINN MAC CUMHAL
Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 05:06
Never mind the 9/11 essay or the dubious ancestry, this turd is disgrace to his supposed profession.
It really puts things into perspective to see where some people’s priorities lie. Here we have the pedantic ramblings of a man who condones the intentional murder of thousands of innocent civilians based on some misguided fantasy of nationalistic pride. The psychosis of Hitler almost to the letter and some people can’t bring themselves to denounce this guy, apparently because he’s a fellow Left-winger. Instead they try to deflect the issue to the Right. The latest story is to try to bring up some journalist who snuck into the Whitehouse. During a discussion about the ‘befittingness’ of mass murder we are supposed to be outraged over some weirdo web blogger as if there is any equivalency at all. It's telling. It's very telling.
I just thought I'd inclue this little gem also from the thread:
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FINN MAC CUMHAL
Monday, April 04, 2005 - 05:24
Interesting. I initially supported Clinton in the impeachment scandal. Not that I necessarily supported him ideologically, but that was kind of during my transitional phase when I was mNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
All excellent quotes. I didn’t realize I was such a poet. I stand by all of it too. And like I said, anyone who bothers to read my comments in that thread will see quite clearly that I never called for his dismissal. Interestingly enough, just like the last time you tried to pretend I supported Churchill’s dismissal, you left out this quote:
“I don’t know who all is calling for his dismissal. I think that if he acquired his position through fraud and that can be determined, then I think he should be dismissed immediately. Other then that, I’m not going to call for his dismissal based on the kinds of comments he’s made. Although, given the lunacy of some of his statements I can certainly understand if the tax payers of Colorado don’t want to pay this guy to teach their children. [emphasis mine]”
- Me. Wednesday, February 23, 2005
You made sure to get all those posts where I clearly displayed my disapproval with Churchill’s support for mass murder even though my disapproval of Churchill has little to do with whether or not I support his dismissal, but you left out the one quote that is explicitly pertinent to this discussion. The one quote where I actually pointed out exactly what I think concerning Churchill’s dismissal, you ignored. Twice. Why do you suppose that is?
If I remember the last time you started this little charade, you’ll start parsing through my words now, searching for a way to take individual words out of context or presume that I must have meant something different by a particular word then is obvious from the context in order to mold what I actually said to suit some imaginative meaning. 
Oh, and while we are quoting stuff, I thought I would through this one out, since its related:
"If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it."
- Ward Churchill, concerning the befittingness of a terrorist attack that purposefully targeted and killed almost 3000 civilians.
Unlike Rove, the evidence against Churchill is carved in the ink of his own writing.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Originally posted by Knibblet:
Nah ... it's not like El Presidente hasn't known it was his badly disciplined guard hound all along. If he didn't, it's just another example of his pickled brain not seeing something under his nose.
Are you crazy?!?! Of course Mr. Bush can see what's under his nose. Otherwise, how could so much have gone up it?
Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined. At that point he should either be fired and go to jail for a loooooong time, be forced into "retirement" as the political fallout would be to great, or continue his duties.
That's my CAD 2 cents anyway.
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Quote:Don't know how I erased that one. I specifically referred to it.
“I don’t know who all is calling for his dismissal. I think that if he acquired his position through fraud and that can be determined, then I think he should be dismissed immediately. Other then that, I’m not going to call for his dismissal based on the kinds of comments he’s made. Although, given the lunacy of some of his statements I can certainly understand if the tax payers of Colorado don’t want to pay this guy to teach their children. ”
Quote:But you certainly have a record of deciding he was a fraud, incompetent, a Nazi clone, fire-able (though not by you of course, you're far too interested in due process), a fruitcake etc etc etc. Yep. You're a fair minded guy just looking for due process in the interests of justice.
About his being fired, you said YOU would not do it but it would be OK for other people to.
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Quote:I'd think that'd be at least the minimum policy. Any bets as to whether even that happens?
Back on topic. Mr. Rove should be suspended until his specific role has been determined.
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If a war is the grave necessity our leaders say, then they out to be willing to put their own flesh and blood on the line, alongside the sons and daughters of the nations taxpayers.
Sarge, they can't put their own flesh and blood on the line, to fight alongside the sons and daughters of the nations taxpayers. That's the absurdity of it.
It was a stunt. And it does not even pass momentary muster. It's one of those fellacious arguments put forth that touches the heart but not the mind.
If Michael Moore had asked our nation's representatives, "Why don't you force your adult children to join the military against their will," it would have sounded properly absurd, and been the exact same message.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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