The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Failure Thread
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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 10:38
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NPR (January 3, 2024): As 2023's strikes catch up with Hollywood, box office revenue is expected to drop
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/03/1222755601/as-2023s-strikes-catch-up-wi
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After three consecutive years of box office gains, the film industry expects revenues to be sharply down in 2024. The reason: aftereffects of the strikes by writers and actors.
WorldMetrics.org: Hollywood Industry Statistics
https://worldmetrics.org/hollywood-industry-statistics/
2018 and 2019 were the crowning years, despite the woke train in full effect.
They still had their Billion per Marvel/DC movie train running, even though the cracks were starting to show, particularly on DC's end. Avengers: End Game was still something people were looking forward to seeing and not a distant memory. But you can see that even 2019 fell 4.4% from 2018 during a period of record low unemployment and low/stable inflation hovering right at 2%.
Then the response to Covid happened and it thrashed Hollywood nearly as bad as everyone else got thrashed.
People still went to see crap because they were flush with free Covid cash and plenty of credit even after inflation started getting bad. But in 2023 ALL of the woke crap failed hard even though there were still plenty of winners.
Now it's 2024 and 2/3rds of the TV and Movie productions were put on indefinite hiatus or cancelled outright and hardly anything has even been released, just as they said on NPR. But even though this should be good news for the few movies that have come out, nobody is going to see them because they can't afford the tickets anymore. There isn't a Billion Dollar movie in 2024 and we may not see one. And as of May 20th, China still has 4 of the Top 100 movies worldwide. A "Top 100" that still only consists of 59 movies, with only 33 of them being made by Hollywood.
https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
mulative/released-in-2024
With no competition, and very little woke content to complain about, these movies should be doing great and at least one of them should have hit 1 Billion by now, but nobody has any fucking money to go see a movie in 2024 at 2024 prices.
Here's a list of Hollywood grosses by year. Despite inflation, it had gone up nearly every year except for a few small hiccups until 2020.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/
Here's the last 10 years...
2014 $10,368,861,849 -5.4% 849 $12,213,029 Guardians of the Galaxy
2015 $11,148,780,747 +7.5% 845 $13,193,823 Jurassic World
2016 $11,375,225,455 +2% 855 $13,304,357 Finding Dory
2017 $11,075,387,520 -2.6% 854 $12,968,837 Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi
2018 $11,892,160,011 +7.4% 993 $11,975,991 Black Panther
2019 $11,363,360,759 -4.4% 910 $12,487,209 Avengers: Endgame
2020 $2,113,846,800 -81.4% 456 $4,635,628 Bad Boys for Life
2021 $4,482,808,453 +112.1% 440 $10,188,201 Spider-Man: No Way Home
2022 $7,369,505,492 +64.4% 498 $14,798,203 Top Gun: Maverick
2023 $8,908,261,473 +20.9% 589 $15,124,382 Barbie
2024 $2,375,699,621 - 278 $8,545,682 Dune: Part Two
Since the world got subjected to the Democrat response to Covid in 2020 and theaters got shut down, we've seen huge increases from $2.1 Billion in 2020 back up to $8.9 Billion in 2023.
We can actually see how long it took for that increase to have happened naturally the first time by going back to when Hollywood made $3 Billion in 1982 and they didn't make $9 Billion until 2002. It took 20 years the first time.
This time it only took 3 years.
But now, in Joe Biden*'s shitshow economy election year, Hollywood has only managed to gross $2,375,699,621 as of May 20th. That's Day 141. It's on pace to only make $6.15 Billion at this rate.
Now that ain't going to happen. We still have the Summer Blockbuster season, Halloween Time, and Christmas. Unless the bottom falls out and inflation kicks up another 8% later this year, people w
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Quote:Every movie is a success for the people listed in the credits at the end because those people get paid even if the studio produced another turd that leaves the more sensible members of the theater audience disappointed at wasting four hours on a movie, plus their money. I hope that many more money managers lose their jobs since they approve of the making of mostly turds.
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6ix, accept the Truth: Failure is Habitual in Hollywood. Failing is not a unique condition caused by the economy, politics, or whatever bogeyman you are flogging, 6ix.
Incorrect. Failure is NOT habitual in Hollywood. If it were, it would have collapsed a long time ago.
Your version of history, as is your version of pretty much everything, is a fantasy you made up in your head and will not be discussed here. Take it to Twitter.
Meanwhile, the studio execs have finally figured out what they were doing wrong these last 5 to 10 years and they're in the process of firing everyone involved. The writer/actor strikes backfired hugely and ended up being a great excuse to axe 2/3rds of them without any consequences.
Note the 1991 date, 6ix, but you can find more stories exactly like this at https://www.google.com/search?q=studio+heads+fired:
In April 1991, at the peak of his power as one of Hollywood’s top executives, Sony Pictures chairman Jon Peters left Los Angeles on a corporate jet bound for New York, where he had been summoned to meet with his boss, Mickey Schulhof, then-head of the company’s U.S. operations.
The dashing and even daredevil executive was anxious. A vague sense of dread had come over him, and it only grew greater when he learned that his longtime partner, best friend and fellow Sony chairman Peter Guber, would not be flying with him. Hadn’t the two men been this close for decades, chatting many times a day, seeing each other multiple times a week, building their own mini-empire by producing such blockbusters as Batman and The Witches of Eastwick, before being wooed from Warner Bros. to Sony in a deal that cost their Japanese bosses a staggering $700 million?
It seemed odd that Guber wasn’t on the plane now, and even odder that lately he had failed to return Peters’ calls, prompting the latter to drive to his friend’s house in search of an explanation — only for Guber to dodge and weave and leave Peters with the assumption that he was safe, while another executive was in trouble.
In fact, for weeks now, the one-time hairdresser had blinded himself to reality, swatting away rumors that there were strains between him and his brother in blood. After all, he noted, they’d just been to see their joint therapist, the author of Healing Your Aloneness: Finding Love & Wholeness Through Your Inner Child. There, according to Nancy Griffin and my colleague Kim Masters’ Hit & Run: How Jon Peters and Peter Guber Took Sony for a Ride in Hollywood, Guber had assured his buddy: “I love you. No, I don’t love you — I feel like I’m in love with you.”
Love fades. Passion fizzles. Even the tightest of bonds ultimately frays in the mosh pit of Hollywood. And so Peters discovered when he stepped off the plane in New York and made his way to Schulhof’s office, where he learned he was out of a job.
“I was numb,” he told Griffin and Masters. “I was catatonic…. It was like a part of me died.”
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Death comes easily in Hollywood. Each little prick draws some of our blood, each nick drains us of our vital force. The unkindest cut of all is being fired.
More at https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hollywood-studio-h
eads-who-have-been-fired-967194/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Every movie is a success for the people listed in the credits at the end because those people get paid even if the studio produced another turd that leaves the more sensible members of the theater audience disappointed at wasting four hours on a movie, plus their money.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, accept the Truth: Failure is Habitual in Hollywood. Failing is not a unique condition caused by the economy, politics, or whatever bogeyman you are flogging, 6ix.
Incorrect. Failure is NOT habitual in Hollywood. If it were, it would have collapsed a long time ago.
Your version of history, as is your version of pretty much everything, is a fantasy you made up in your head and will not be discussed here. Take it to Twitter.
Meanwhile, the studio execs have finally figured out what they were doing wrong these last 5 to 10 years and they're in the process of firing everyone involved. The writer/actor strikes backfired hugely and ended up being a great excuse to axe 2/3rds of them without any consequences.
No shit, dummy.
But if they're making a project that nobody is paying for, they end up losing money until they fold and they kill the golden goose.
Now after a decade of Leftist Ideology crammed in every movie on top of Democrats destroying the world economy, they're all losers and they will all be out of jobs.
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Quote:Hollywood is familiar with failure. If Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga is a flop, it is because the money men lack taste in which projects they green-light, not because the hundreds of people listed in credits did a poor job. From a reviewer who likes Furiosa:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No shit, dummy.
But if they're making a project that nobody is paying for, they end up losing money until they fold and they kill the golden goose.
Now after a decade of Leftist Ideology crammed in every movie on top of Democrats destroying the world economy, they're all losers and they will all be out of jobs.
At one point in Furiosa, an ill-treated underling, negotiating with his warlord {Hollywood CEO in a previous life} for better treatment, demands that his leader provide “double the maggot mash and the roach rations.” That line, in all its cheerful grotesquery, describes how I feel about the prospect of another installment from the Mad Max universe. It doesn’t have to be perfect — and it will, without doubt, be gnarly as all hell — but even after another two-and-a-half-hours, I’m still hungry for another helping.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/05/furiosa-mad-max-movie-saga-anya-tayl
or-joy-review.html
6ix, Hollywood sells "maggot mash and roach rations", Joker (2019) for example. If you have a strong stomach, enjoy the movies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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What are you even posting in the Cinema board for then?
You're obviously a Pod Person, because anybody could dig up your posts from 2 years ago and earlier where you were sucking Hollywood's dick everyday.
You just want somebody to argue with about literally anything. Go to Twitter. Twitter was made for you.
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Quote:Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema. Too bad for your premise, 6ix, but movies were ruined from the days of silent movies with failure after failure, continuing with more failures in talkies, color film, Panavision, IMAX, THX/Skywalker Sound and 3D movies. Hollywood has always made crap and audiences, at least the more sophisticated ones, are rejecting the fundamental crappiness of almost everything Hollywood has ever done:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What are you even posting in the Cinema board for then?
You're obviously a Pod Person, because anybody could dig up your posts from 2 years ago and earlier where you were sucking Hollywood's dick everyday.
You just want somebody to argue with about literally anything. Go to Twitter. Twitter was made for you.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
100 cringeworthy mistakes in the worst movies in Hollywood history
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/100-cringeworthy-mistakes-in-the
-worst-movies-in-hollywood-history/ss-BB1m3BIG
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema.
Democrats DID ruin movies. Even worse, they ruined the legacy of some of the greatest movies ever made. They've done the same thing to TV shows. And Comic Books. And Video Games. And pretty much everything else they got their tendrils into.
I've never said anything about Trump regarding cinema. Not once. In fact, I've even did my best not to invoke his name when posting anything relating to that Angel Studios movie you said he liked about a dozen times. I may or may not have succeeded since you couldn't stop bringing up Trump in that thread either.
Hmmmm... I still haven't gotten around to watching that one yet. Maybe this year?
Nah dude. Your boy Biden* did FAR MORE work ensuring that Cinema will be saved than Trump ever in a million years could.
Joe Biden* fucked the economy. His policies have ensured that ALL of that seemingly endless Venture Capital that funded DEI departments and DEI hiring and DEI project after DEI project is a long distant memory by now. Those people have all been fired.
And the so-called "critics" who used to write article after article blowing Disney and any other studio putting out woke based trash and calling anyone who didn't watch it a Sexi-Raci-TransPhobe have all been silenced. You don't hear from them anymore.
They were either laid off, fired or worked for companies that no longer exist. And the ones lucky enough to have a few years left in their field before what little left of it is taken over by AI are shitting themselves and staying on fucking point.
And that's just the movie critics. The field of Video Game Critics has been gutted and is mortally wounded. The Video Game Critic is a dying breed in 2024.
Donald J. Trump had nothing at all to do with saving Hollywood. And if he ever in the future does claim credit for that I will call him on his bullshit. All credit here goes straight to Joe Biden*.
I'm almost rooting for Biden* to win, for the sake of Hollywood. I'm sure there are still plenty of weeds to be pulled. A November win for Trump and the good it will do for the country and the economy might derail the Hollywood renaissance in the making we've got on our hands.
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Quote:6ix, almost everything from Hollywood was crap and always has been, back to the days of silent pictures, then talkies. How did you come to believe that nearly everything was good, once upon a time? A reminder of Hollywood's crap past:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema.
Democrats DID ruin movies. Even worse, they ruined the legacy of some of the greatest movies ever made. . . .
Donald J. Trump had nothing at all to do with saving Hollywood. And if he ever in the future does claim credit for that I will call him on his bullshit. All credit here goes straight to Joe Biden*.
I'm almost rooting for Biden* to win, for the sake of Hollywood. I'm sure there are still plenty of weeds to be pulled. A November win for Trump and the good it will do for the country and the economy might derail the Hollywood renaissance in the making we've got on our hands.
Most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time
The 2017 film "The Disaster Artist" tells the story behind the making of "The Room," one of the most famous turkeys of all time. Like Tim Burton's "Ed Wood," James Franco's flick is also a testament to the power of clueless filmmaking and the ridiculous movies that emerge as a result. Despite having widely celebrated actors like Eddie Murphy, established directors like Robert Rodriguez, and esteemed screenwriters like David S. Goyer, these films still managed to disappoint critics and audiences alike.
Notably, many entries are either sequels or adaptations, proving that attempts at creating franchises often fall flat on their faces. These are the true rotten tomatoes and Golden Raspberry Award winners, at least some of which have garnered shocking levels of attention or success despite—or most often because of—their sheer terribleness.
In honor of bad cinema, Stacker has accumulated a list of the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time. For the data, Stacker searched IMDb for movies with over 50,000 user ratings and ranked the top 50 films, counting down from worse to worst. Ties were broken by votes. Without further delay, here are the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time.
https://stacker.com/movies/most-widely-watched-universally-hated-movie
s-all-time
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes forgets the purpose of civilization
Nine films later, Kingdom suggests that the franchise is finally too derivative and too cynical
Like Twilight Zone auteur Rod Serling, the cultural prophet who wrote the initial screenplay to the 1968 original, series overseers Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa understood that an apocalyptic fantasy loses its power if it ever seems too serious — or if it’s not serious enough. In the 1968 Planet of the Apes, the main apocalyptic error under examination is racism. The astronaut Charlton Heston, a symbol of American civilizational hubris, crash-lands on a planet where the slaves have replaced their masters and a courageous, muscular white man is treated as a freakish outsider. Apes was Serling’s final attempt to literalize the insanities of a zero-sum notion of human existence. In the reboot trilogy, humanity is doomed by a not-unrelated flaw. As a plot review in the opening screen of the newly released Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes puts it, a “man-made virus” meant to turn apes into our quasi-intelligent helpmates instead kills nearly every human being while “robbing [the survivors] of their intellect and their ability to speak.” In the ’60s, an unreconstructed belief in our superiority will destroy us. In the new millennium, it’s humanity’s ambition to bust through moral guardrails and master the physical world that will reduce the species to mute idiocy.
The franchise’s last entry, 2017’s War for the Planet of the Apes, concluded in this queasy suicide of human reason, with man and ape trading roles in the natural order. In 2024’s Kingdom, which takes place hundreds of years later, we find out the monkeys haven’t done much with their human-free paradise. Our hero, Noa, lives in a nonliterate society of gentle apes who train eagles to hunt for them and dwell among the overgrown ruins of a civilization everyone’s forgotten and indeed has no curiosity about. Even Raka, the wisest of all apes and the only ape in the movie who can read, informs Noa that a terminal at what used to be Los Angeles International Airport was probably a facility where apes could care for humans, to make sure the stupid beasts’ material needs were met. Its construction was undoubtedly an act of the compassionate Caesar, liberator of the apes, protagonist of the prior three films, and the now-mythological Lawgiver who, Raka says, “taught us what it means to be ape.” The now-vanished and bastardized Caesarian thought system taught that coexistence with the human scavengers was important to ape self-knowledge, though even Raka can’t remember why. Noa, meanwhile, doesn’t even know who Caeser is.
The intellectually and technologically backward wuss apes of Eagle Clan are not the only apes on this planet, thank the Lawgiver. A couple of valleys over is Proximus Caesar, a great ape of history and an enlightened despot who claims to be the rightful heir to the Caesarian project, whatever that is. Per Proximus, Caesar believed apes should dominate the Earth, however many ape or human dead it takes. In a world where no one can read and history doesn’t exist, there aren’t many apes around who feel inclined to argue with him. With the help of a rare talking and thinking human being who’s immune from the virus, Proximus has determined, with some justification, that the Planet of the Apes lacks the conditions for a rational labor market, meaning that civilization can only progress through mass coercion and rapid technological advancement. Exhibiting a keenly unsentimental understanding of how states and societies form, Proximus declares himself king, enslaves the wuss apes, and puts them to work busting through a vault of ancient human weaponry.
More at https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine-life-arts/3002392/the-plan
et-of-the-apes-franchise-forgets-the-purpose-of-civilization/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, almost everything from Hollywood was crap and always has been, back to the days of silent pictures, then talkies. How did you come to believe that nearly everything was good, once upon a time? A reminder of Hollywood's crap past:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema.
Democrats DID ruin movies. Even worse, they ruined the legacy of some of the greatest movies ever made. . . .
Donald J. Trump had nothing at all to do with saving Hollywood. And if he ever in the future does claim credit for that I will call him on his bullshit. All credit here goes straight to Joe Biden*.
I'm almost rooting for Biden* to win, for the sake of Hollywood. I'm sure there are still plenty of weeds to be pulled. A November win for Trump and the good it will do for the country and the economy might derail the Hollywood renaissance in the making we've got on our hands.
Most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time
The 2017 film "The Disaster Artist" tells the story behind the making of "The Room," one of the most famous turkeys of all time. Like Tim Burton's "Ed Wood," James Franco's flick is also a testament to the power of clueless filmmaking and the ridiculous movies that emerge as a result. Despite having widely celebrated actors like Eddie Murphy, established directors like Robert Rodriguez, and esteemed screenwriters like David S. Goyer, these films still managed to disappoint critics and audiences alike.
Notably, many entries are either sequels or adaptations, proving that attempts at creating franchises often fall flat on their faces. These are the true rotten tomatoes and Golden Raspberry Award winners, at least some of which have garnered shocking levels of attention or success despite—or most often because of—their sheer terribleness.
In honor of bad cinema, Stacker has accumulated a list of the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time. For the data, Stacker searched IMDb for movies with over 50,000 user ratings and ranked the top 50 films, counting down from worse to worst. Ties were broken by votes. Without further delay, here are the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time.
https://stacker.com/movies/most-widely-watched-universally-hated-movie
s-all-time
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Yeah. I can go find a bunch of lazy, low-effort shit lists of bad movies without your help, son. Most of the people who wrote those are out of work now though, so enjoy what they left for you before they went on to serve you coffee at Starbucks.
What you are engaging in right now is classic fallacy by selective attention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
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