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The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Failure Thread
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 10:38
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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 4:32 AM
Quote:My thesis is that nearly everything Hollywood has ever produced was crap, going all the way back to silent pictures. It is not crappy because of politics. It is crappy because Hollywood has always been greedy and cynical.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
Because it is crap, and because it is also now available for free, the more sophisticated viewers of movies will not watch those crappy movies at the theater. 6ix, it is not because Hollywood recently lost its way that ticket sales are down. Hollywood has always been lost and greedy but audience were unsophisticated and would pay for crap, once upon a time.
6ix, I gave you a review of "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes forgets the purpose of civilization".
The 10th movie in Planet of the Apes has regressed to the mean, which makes it crap and got what it deserves: low tickets sales even if critics over-hype it as some kind of masterpiece of storytelling. The story is silly crap, but that has ALWAYS been the Hollywood way of writing, with rare exceptions that have nothing to do with politics. The 1st movie in the series was NOT crap because it is a clever fable despite it's Apes not being realistic like in the 10th movie.
The first Avatar movie in the series had the biggest budget and profit in history, but the franchise will follow the same path as Planet of the Apes, with each movie being less successful until there is an outright failure that almost bankrupts the studio. Will it be Avatar 4 that bombs? Or 5? The Planet of the Apes franchise got to 10 before it destroyed itself because Hollywood stopped for no reason making Ape movies from 1973 to 2001.
Which movie will be a massive failure in the Avatar franchise? 6ix, you should make 3 early failure threads so that you can congratulate yourself immediately for being clairvoyant.
Dec 19, 2025 Avatar 3
Dec 21, 2029 Avatar 4
Dec 19, 2031 Avatar 5
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Avatar#tab=summary
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 6:26 AM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:My thesis is
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
crap.
Your thesis is crap.
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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 3:07 PM
Quote:Why did people ever go to see the crap that Hollywood has always made? To escape their lives by going into a fantasy world. Here is a story about one kid who did that for a week:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:My thesis is
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
crap.
Your thesis is crap.
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Nostalgia? In 1947, a Runaway 10-Year Old Went to 16 movies, Bought 15 Comic Books, 6 Games, 150 Candy Bars & Hot Dogs for $20 ... in 7 Days
The true story behind the kid who went 1940s viral for his week at the cinemas in San Francisco
With $20 in his pocket, Richard Allen had a wild week of movies, comic books, and hot dogs. But the tale belies a harsher home life that he wanted to escape, his daughter says
By Joshua Bote | 10:00 AM PDT on May 16, 2024
https://sf.gazetteer.co/the-true-story-behind-the-kid-who-went-1940s-v
iral-for-his-week-at-the-cinemas-in-san-francisco
Richard Allen was an intensely private man.
He was an upstanding citizen, the sort of guy who was well-known and well-regarded in his community. He loved working in the metals industry, where he was known as a “go-to person” among his peers. He loved visiting Disneyland almost as much as he loved visiting Hawaii. He loved his wife and four children. He was once a local radio DJ. He helped spur a movement of Bay Area wrestling in the ’80s. He was given a Citizen of the Year award by the Union City Chamber of Commerce. By all accounts, especially that of his daughter Denise, he lived a long, rich life.
But Denise had no idea that her father made national headlines in 1947 for watching a week’s worth of movies in one sitting. She also didn’t expect that this story, more than seven decades later, would become a beloved internet meme that has likely been seen by thousands — if not millions — of people online.
Richard Allen’s wild week started on February 2, 1947.
“Richard had set out last Sunday, intending merely to spend a day at the movies,” read an article published in the San Francisco Examiner on February 8, 1947. “But when he suddenly found it was 1:30 a.m. he was ‘scared to go home.’”
So with a whopping $20 in his pocket, and one unidentified theater with a lax policy on kids watching flicks unsupervised, the possibilities were limitless. The fifth-grader’s wild week was filled with candy bars (150), comic books (15), hot dogs (“a large number”), and movies (16), punctuated by naps at a tree-covered lot.
It didn’t last. He probably had enough money to keep him afloat for a few more weeks, but by the following Friday, Richard’s father Marvin, a San Leandro restaurateur, had retrieved his son. He sternly told the Examiner that his boy gets “adventurous ideas” from listening to the radio.
Richard Allen’s story was eventually picked up by national news media. One of these outlets, United Press, also interviewed the Allens, and got a shrug of a quote from Richard that would stand the test of time: “I guess I just like movies.”
In 2021, a year after Richard died, a Tumblr account specializing in mid-century geekery circulated the United Press story, headlined “Love For Movies Causes Boy, 10, To Lose A Week.” Cinephiles and meme accounts on social media shared the story the world over. It caught traction on iFunny, the meme recirculator website. Actors, film distributors, and movie theaters shared his story, often with a pithy line expressing admiration for the boy.
But there was so much more to the story than the headlines.
I caught Denise on the phone, nursing her second glass of wine at her home in the Central Valley suburb of Tracy. What unfolded was a freewheeling, candid exercise in excavating her father’s life together.
Toward the end of his life, Richard moved in with hi
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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 5:45 PM
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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 6:39 PM
Quote:6ix, I will shorten. If you think Hollywood’s whole purpose has ever been more than money-making crap for audiences fleeing from the reality of their ugly lives to escape into fantasy, you are fantasizing.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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The following movies have already earned a fortune for the little people listed in credits. The big people who financed the movies will earn their fortune (or alternatively receive tax losses, which are also valuable) if the budgets weren't excessive. Bloated budgets benefit only the little people listed in the credits.
Upcoming Movies That can be found in this Trailer Compilation:
00:00 The Best New Movies 2024 (Trailers)
00:04 A Quiet Place: Day One
02:30 Latency
04:55 Agent Recon
06:43 Firebrand
09:16 Boneyard
11:21 Handling the Undead
13:42 The Hangman
15:53 Fresh Kills
17:49 The Well
19:07 Fancy Dance
21:15 Kill Your Lover
22:56 Good One
25:18 Treasure
27:41 Beezel
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Thursday, May 23, 2024 9:56 AM
I've had the pleasure of not watching only one, but two fantastic TV shows in the last month after YEARS of not watching ANY new stuff because it was all woke trash that wasn't "made for me". Both of them are made by companies who have lit more money on fire then our own government has for Ukraine on dozens of disgusting woke crap agenda flicks and shows for the better part of 8 years now.
I didn't think they had it in them.
But all the right people have been fired, and all the right people have been hired.
Buckle up, buttercup. That pendulum reached the highest apex on the left side of the clock that it ever traveled in the history of our country sometime in the later half of last year and is already swinging back the other way.
You're about to lose so much ground on social issues you don't even realize what is coming your way yet.
You ought to think about moving soon. You're barely keeping it together and haven't been able to handle the last 3.5 years with your guy in office. You don't even stand a chance when Trump wins in November.
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Thursday, May 23, 2024 10:08 AM
Quote:Looking back to 2023, there was a movie that won 120 awards out of 204 nominations. It was high quality, not a crap movie. But what was the Worldwide Box Office? Only $44,463,910.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Trump will be fine.
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Hollywood makes mostly crap because crap can justify a high budget, which allows the people who actually make the movies to take home the most money. If the money men who financed the crap movie don't make a huge profit, it's tough luck for them but the important people, the ones listed on the credits, got paid. Repeating: crap movies like The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes have huge budgets which put huge amounts of cash into the bank accounts of the people listed in credits.
What was the high quality yet low ticket sales ($44,463,910) movie?
The Holdovers (2023)
1) https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Holdovers-The-(2023)#tab=summary
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_The_Holdov
ers#Accolades
3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holdovers#Box_office
4) The Holdover Quotes
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14849194/quotes/
Paul Hunham: You know, Mr. Kountze, for most people, life is like a henhouse ladder: shitty and short. You were born lucky. Maybe someday, you entitled little degenerates will appreciate that. If you don't, I feel sorry for you and we will have failed to do our jobs.
Paul Hunham: There's nothing new in human experience, Mr. Tully. Each generation thinks it invented debauchery or suffering or rebellion, but man's every impulse and appetite from the disgusting to the sublime is on display right here all around you. So, before you dismiss something as boring or irrelevant, remember, if you truly want to understand the present or yourself, you must begin in the past. You see, history is not simply the study of the past. It is an explanation of the present.
Paul Hunham: Hardy, I have known you since you were a boy, so I think I have the requisite experience and insight to aver that you are and always have been penis cancer in human form.
5) https://variety.com/2024/film/news/the-holdovers-accused-plagiarism-lu
ca-writer-1235935605/
Ultimately, “The Holdovers” was independently financed on a $13 million budget. It was a negative pickup for Focus, which bought “The Holdovers” for $31 million at the Toronto Film Festival, marking the biggest worldwide rights deal ever at that market.
For Focus, this movie cost $31 million and only sold $44,463,910 worth of tickets, creating a huge bomb, but the people who made the movie walked away with $31 million minus $13 million.
6) I forgot to mention that the screenplay for "The Holdovers" is "Frisco", according to the screenwriter for "Frisco". It wouldn't be Hollywood if there wasn't a fight over money and fame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holdovers#Plagiarism_accusation
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Saturday, May 25, 2024 7:24 PM
Jesus Christ Second has shitted up this thread with a bunch of garbage. It's hard to even find numbers that I've previously posted with his walls of off-topic bullshit.
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Saturday, May 25, 2024 8:00 PM
May 19th:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce is predicting a pretty big 60% this weekend in the US for only $23.4 Million and a drop to 2nd place. He doesn't go into any detail at all about Apes in the prediction article.
Regardless of how it does Internationally, it should be quite a bit less of a drop than 60% simply because we get their new numbers for all week instead of just the weekend numbers. Typically if that film was doing well last year, it amounted to essentially doubling opening weekend's numbers. With a 60% drop in the US on 2nd weekend, maybe that amounts to 85% of the first weekend internationally?
Bruce's $23.4 Million added to the current worldwide total would be just shy of $171.5 Million worldwide.
Let's say 85% of last weekend's $75 Million on top of it.
So maybe we see around $235 Million come Monday?
Maybe Bruce is full of shit and it does $35 Million in the US this weekend and an extra $12 Million internationally and we're well over $250 Million on Monday?
Who knows.... It's all guessing right now.
I'd say I'm still pretty good at guessing even in the weird 2024 market.
$237,539,501 is the grand total right now with the internationals tallied and the Studio projections for the weekend.
Bruce predicted only $23.4 Million in the US this weekend, and the projections in the US are $26 Million.
That low prediction accounts for the $2.539 Million I was low on the worldwide prediction, which means that my international guess for the weekend was spot on.
It's now at 148.5% of the production budget.
My Low/High prediction for the final numbers was $350 Million to $475 Million. I'm still going with that number, but as I said after Friday's numbers came out I think it will be toward the lower end of that prediction and it will not break even.
Apes sits at $245,736,744 worldwide going into Weekend 3.
Bruce predicts a 4th place finish for Apes at $16.7 Million, or a -34% drop from last weekend. I think that might be a little charitable after his prediction last week of a -60% drop. Last weekend it didn't lose any theaters and dropped -56%, but this weekend it loses 525 theaters.
To be fair though, that 1st to 2nd weekend -56% drop includes Thursday Preview Night's $6.6 Million which obviously only the 1st weekend benefits from, so the actual drop was only -51% without the preview night numbers. But still, I think a drop here of only -34% is wishful thinking with Apes losing more than 1/8th of the theaters it was showing in last weekend.
The international drop will be quite a bit more this weekend that last as well, since only the 2nd weekend drop is mitigated by the fact that we only get International updates once per week, and the first "week" is only the weekend numbers internationally, but the 2nd week numbers are for the full week following opening weekend.
Apes made $8,759,462 between Monday and Thursday this week. Subtract that from the current US total of $109,449,252, and you've got $100.7 Million. $100.7 Million was 42.5% of the Worldwide Box Office after the final numbers for Weekend 2 were tallied.
If Bruce is right about another $16.7 Million over the weekend in the US and that 42.5% holds steady, that would result in $126 Million in the US and $171 Internationally for about $297 Million worldwide after 3 weekends.
My guess on May 13th was that it would make +/- 15% from the breakeven point, or $350 Million to $475 Million, but I've always thought it would be toward the low end of that projection.
Nothing I'm seeing here changes my mind on that. In fact, I'm thinking that $350 is a pretty good target for the final number. I don't see any path to $400 Million for Apes anymore. Next weekend it should only add between $20 and $30 Million max, and those numbers just drop from there. It probably makes more th
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Saturday, May 25, 2024 8:19 PM
Quote:6ix, Bruce Nash does not know you and doesn't want to. The Numbers was launched by Bruce Nash on October 17th, 1997.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Apes sits at $245,736,744 worldwide going into Weekend 3.
Bruce predicts . . .
6ix, why are you so verbose? Are you pretending to be working with Bruce Nash? Because your length words are not adding any value to his numbers:
Worldwide Box Office $245,736,744
Production Budget: $160,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.6 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kingdom-of-the-Planet-of-the-Apes-(2
024)#tab=summary
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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