The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Failure Thread

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 13, 2024 9:09 AM

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.
Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I just find it humorous that you came to the same conclusion about Disney 2 years later, after all the Lefty shill sites finally stopped protecting them. You were going around calling anyone who didn't like Lightyear a Nazi, but whatever.

Better late than never, I suppose.
Because you misunderstood what I wrote, 6ix, you prove yourself to be almost the stupidest Trumptard I know. I said Lightyear was a poorly structured story and I used an example from Lightyear to say it, the Lightyear joke about a sandwich with meat where the bread is supposed to be and bread where the meat is supposed to be.

I don't give one single shit what your opinion about the movie is today. You called me a Nazi when I said it would fail and why and told me that Disney wasn't making movies for me.

Now the crap you're writing is almost word for word reviews that were made after the movie failed and people in the media complained about it. This didn't even take place until more than a year after it failed. You don't remember being a DisneyBot 2 years ago, repeating everything you were being told to say, but the rest of us remember it.

Keep repeating what we could just read on the lefty sites and you'll continue to be ignored.

If you ever come up with an original thought, let us know.

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Trump will be fine.
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SECOND

Monday, May 13, 2024 7:07 PM

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I don't give one single shit what your opinion about the movie is today. You called me a Nazi when I said it would fail and why and told me that Disney wasn't making movies for me.

6ix, you complained about Lesbianism and Wokeness in Lightyear because you are crazy, stupid, work-avoiding, tax-cheating, and dishonest, which is exactly like every person I know who voted for Trump, including Trump. (That does not mean that absolutely no Democrats have highly defective personalities, as do Trumptards, causing hardships for themselves. It does mean that I have not yet known a Trumptard who wasn't highly defective, despite trying to disguise themselves as somebody "good", although there might be a "good" and trustworthy person who voted for Trump. I just haven't met one. If I do meet one, it probably means other Trumptards have deceived them into believing in Trump.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, May 13, 2024 11:53 PM

Jesus Christ.

Keep it in the RWED idiot.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 2:32 AM

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Disney has released a hit...wow

Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.

And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.

I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.

This one could really go anywhere from here.

Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.

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Just checked The-Numbers right now and Bruce said this...

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Internationally, the apes are doing well too, with a total of $72.5 million so far. China leads the way with $11.4 million (steeply down from the $112.4 million earned there by War for the Planet of the Apes). Other notable territories so far are France, $7.1m; Mexico, $6.4m; UK, $4.8m, Korea, $3.2m; Australia, $2.7m; Brazil, $2.6m; Germany, $2.2m; Spain, $2.2m; and Indonesia, with $1.9 million.

I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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Looks like "So Far" meant that was the international total he was seeing for the weekend. That's not good for Apes.

The weekend's projections are still floating out there, so we don't have actual US figures yet, which I assume will be slightly higher. But with the projections in place it only grossed $129 Million worldwide so far. That's only 78% of the Production Budget.

It's going to need good legs to break even and see a profit.

Definitely not outside of the realm of possibility, but with a CinemaScore of B and an RT audience rating under 80%, it isn't looking great.

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Trump will be fine.
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WHOZIT

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 2:42 AM

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

Disney has released a hit...wow

Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.

And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.

I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.

This one could really go anywhere from here.

Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.

.....

Just checked The-Numbers right now and Bruce said this...

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Internationally, the apes are doing well too, with a total of $72.5 million so far. China leads the way with $11.4 million (steeply down from the $112.4 million earned there by War for the Planet of the Apes). Other notable territories so far are France, $7.1m; Mexico, $6.4m; UK, $4.8m, Korea, $3.2m; Australia, $2.7m; Brazil, $2.6m; Germany, $2.2m; Spain, $2.2m; and Indonesia, with $1.9 million.

I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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Trump will be fine.
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This will NOT be a billion $ block buster, those days may be gone

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 5:35 AM

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This will NOT be a billion $ block buster, those days may be gone

Oh... Certainly not. I don't any path to $500 Million for Apes. It only needs $412.5 Million to break even though.

My honest opinion from what I'm seeing right now is that it will either lose a little bit of money or it will make a little bit of money and not make much waves either way. If breaking even were the bullseye, I think they just about hit it here. My guess is that it makes 15% +/- the break even point, or between $350 Million and $475 Million worldwide.

We'll have to see what the first weekend drop is going to be before any real predictions for a final number can be made, but I'm happy with that range and can say with just about 100% confidence it falls within it.

I wouldn't say that Billion Dollar days are gone, but I think all the major studios will have gotten the message loud and clear that the days of that almost being a given on blockbusters are over and that they're really going to have to start justifying those big budgets going forward.

We might get one of them this year. Barbie did almost $1.5 Billion last year and Top Gun: Maverick did the same the year before that. Oh... and The Super Mario Movie did somewhere around $1.35 Billion last year too.

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

It did quite a bit better than that with $58,400,788 in the US after the real numbers came in.

I was hesitant to say it would be over $58 Million just because everything has been so wonky this year. Last year while I was tracking movies I would have said it made over $58 Million if the studio projections were $56.5 Million.

So at least in that regard it's behaving like a normal movie in normal times would behave.

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SECOND

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:43 AM

Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

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Trump will be fine.
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SECOND

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 8:59 AM

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Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

Are you missing the point that Hollywood has always, starting with silent movies, produced crap?

People went to the silent movies because they were a novelty, but that didn't last. To keep people coming to the theater, Hollywood had a long series of technical improvements, sound then better sound et cetera, that reinvigorated the novelty, but the movies were mostly crap.

There has not been much technical improvement to recent movies, the novelty factor has worn off, and the movies are mostly crappy, as they have always been. The results are lower ticket sales and people watching TV at home instead of traveling great distances and paying high prices for crappy entertainment at the theater.

P.S. Wanna see a silent movie? The pirates are providing Stella Maris (1918)
https://yts.mx/movies/stella-maris-1918
This movie proves that people sure were easy to entertain a hundred years ago. The novelty factor in this movie was Mary Pickford playing two roles. Sometimes Pickford was in the same frame twice because of high-tech magic, the magic that makes Planet of the Apes a novelty.

Only 7 years later, the film was remade in 1925, with Mary Philbin in the title role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_(1918_film)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Tuesday, May 14, 2024 10:57 AM

It is a miracle that not all movies are crap. Hollywood never knows which movie will be the next miracle, the next Barbie. Could it be The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes? Hell no!

The 20 Worst Movies Starring Oscar-Winning Actors
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-20-worst-movies-starring-osc
ar-winning-actors/ss-BB1lZJr4

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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