The Madame Web Failure Thread (And the Success of Dune: Part 2 Thread)

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 29, 2024 8:34 PM

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The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two”

By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-revi
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Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two

208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

SECOND

Thursday, February 29, 2024 9:10 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two”

By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-revi
ew

Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two

208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

6ix, are you now a believer that Hollywood knows what the audience wants?

As if gunpowder was never invented, Dune's armies of swordsmen fight to death. In this future, even spears, bows and arrows are too high tech. It's swords and more swords. And still more swords. Slash/slash/stab!

Ticket sales will be the proof that Hollywood knows what the audience wants.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
The Sterile Spectacle of “Dune: Part Two”

By Justin Chang | February 27, 2024

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/03/11/dune-part-two-movie-revi
ew

Justin Chang at the New Yorker is in the very, very, very small minority.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dune_part_two

208 reviewers have given it a 95% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. 53 "Top Critics" have given it a 92%.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
6ix, are you now a believer that Hollywood knows what the audience wants?

No. Not at all.

But I have a really good track record of predicting which movies are going to be successes and which are going to be flops.

Dune Part 2 is going to be a success and will easily make enough to be 1st place worldwide until something more successful comes out.

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As if gunpowder was never invented, Dune's armies of swordsmen fight to death. In this future, even spears, bows and arrows are too high tech. It's swords and more swords. And still more swords. Slash/slash/stab!

Whatever. Don't care. I'm not interested in the movie.

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Ticket sales will be the proof that Hollywood knows what the audience wants.

No. Ticket sales will be the proof that this movie is a success. We've already had one major box office failure with Argylle, and there will be plenty more in 2024. Less than there would have been though because Disney pumped the breaks and isn't really releasing much this year.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Thursday, February 29, 2024 11:03 PM

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Dune Part 2 is going to be a success and will easily make enough to be 1st place worldwide until something more successful comes out.

Dune Part 2 is "woke". Are you now hoping it fails?

Brian Herbert points out that his father’s books about Dune have a political message about Trump, a message that is clearly included in the movie:

In 1969, Frank Herbert published the first sequel, Dune Messiah, in which he warned about the dangers of following a charismatic leader (Trump) and showed the dark side of Paul Atreides. Many fans didn’t understand this message, because they didn’t want to see their superhero brought down from his pedestal. Still, the book sold well, and so did its predecessor. Looking back at Dune, it is clear that Dad laid the seeds of the troublesome direction he intended to take with his hero, but a lot of readers didn’t want to see it. John W. Campbell, the editor of Analog who made many useful suggestions when Dune was being serialized, did not like Dune Messiah because of this Paul Atreides issue.

Having studied politics carefully, my father believed that heroes made mistakes … mistakes that were simplified by the number of people who followed such leaders slavishly. In a foreshadowing epigraph, Frank Herbert wrote in Dune: “Remember, we speak now of the Muad‘Dib who ordered battle drums made from his enemies’ skins, the Muad’Dib who denied the conventions of his ducal past with a wave of the hand, saying merely: ‘I am the Kwisatz Haderach. That is reason enough.’ ” And in a dramatic scene, as Liet-Kynes lay dying in the desert, he remembered the long-ago words of his own father: “No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero.”

“People tend to give over every decision-making capacity to any leader who can wrap himself in the myth fabric of the society,” Herbert wrote. “Hitler did it. Churchill did it. Franklin Roosevelt did it. Stalin did it. Mussolini did it.” These historical superheroes didn’t wear spandex: they wore the stories their people needed them to wear. Sometimes the results were glorious, but more often than not, they were ghastly.

More at https://christandpopculture.com/dune-and-disaster-or-why-charismatic-l
eaders-should-come-with-a-warning-label/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 29, 2024 11:29 PM

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Dune Part 2 is going to be a success and will easily make enough to be 1st place worldwide until something more successful comes out.
Dune Part 2 is "woke".

I had my suspicions that there was some agenda stuff in there just because of the universal high praise. We haven't fixed all of the critics yet since they're not all sufficiently scared that they will lose their jobs either because their websites fail or they're replaced with AI. They're getting better though.

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Are you now hoping it fails?

No. I'm indifferent. I've already told you three times that I don't care about this movie and I personally have zero interest in seeing it.

I don't believe that it's actually woke just because some random christian website I've never heard of before says it is, or even worse, because you interpreted an article that didn't say it was woke as saying that it was woke. I'll reserve judgement on that for now. And I certainly won't be taking any warped judgements you have on anything in the entire world seriously, as is tradition.

If it's woke it will fail. Period.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 1, 2024 8:39 AM

Weekend Box Office Predictions: Dune 2 to double the original film’s opening

https://www.joblo.com/weekend-box-office-predictions-dune-2-to-double-
the-original-films-opening/

The first part was opened globally a week before the US got to see it. It only did $37 Million internationally before it made $41 Million in the US on opening weekend, but it did end up with nearly $325 Million internationally.

I've seen estimates of a Global opening (with the US included) as low as $170 Million and as high as $230 Million.

We'll see what happens.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Friday, March 1, 2024 6:25 PM

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If it's woke it will fail. Period.

When Frank Herbert wrote the Dune books, he knew that rule by an all-powerful leader (be it Baron Vladimir Harkonnen who is as fat as Trump or Paul Atreides or the God Emperor of Dune) would end tragically for everyone. But for some weird psychological reason, Trumptards want an all-powerful leader (with complete legal immunity) like fatso Trump to solve their problems. It is going to end tragically for the Trumptards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Emperor_of_Dune

Eventually, if Hollywood makes enough Dune-themed movies, even the stupidest Trumptard will understand what the novels and movies are about, including the first movie made in 2021:

Leto II Atreides, the God Emperor, has ruled the universe as a tyrant for 3,500 years after becoming a hybrid of human and giant sandworm in Children of Dune. The death of all other sandworms as a result of the terraforming of Arrakis, and his control of the remaining supply of the all-important drug melange, has allowed him to keep civilization under his complete command. Leto has been physically transformed into a worm, retaining only his human face and arms, and though he is now seemingly immortal and invulnerable to harm, he is prone to instinct-driven bouts of violence when provoked to anger. As a result, his rule is one of religious awe and despotic fear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Emperor_of_Dune#Plot

6ix, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, the Trump (or the Vladimir Putin) in the Dune movies, ends up dead in the desert, a dessert for ants.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 1, 2024 8:52 PM

No. Nobody voting for Trump wants any of that.

Yours are delusions of a psychopath who watches too much MSNBC and gets all of his talking points from Kevin Drum.

Keep your TDS in the RWED.

P.S. Your definition of woke is not what woke actually is. You've consistently gotten that wrong and attributed things to it incorrectly time and time again.

Even if Frank Herbert was a precog and saw Trump coming and the book was written exactly as you say it was about Trump, that does not make Frank Herbert's Dune (or the movies) woke.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Friday, March 1, 2024 10:57 PM

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No. Nobody voting for Trump wants any of that.

Yours are delusions of a psychopath who watches too much MSNBC and gets all of his talking points from Kevin Drum.

Keep your TDS in the RWED.

P.S. Your definition of woke is not what woke actually is. You've consistently gotten that wrong and attributed things to it incorrectly time and time again.

Even if Frank Herbert was a precog and saw Trump coming and the book was written exactly as you say it was about Trump, that does not make Frank Herbert's Dune (or the movies) woke.

You don't get more woke than Dune 2! All the women in Dune 2 had roles raised upward into massive importance, very woke material, none of which was in the novel. The women in the movie, unlike the book, take charge, run into battle, bashing in heads with boulders. The movie stripped the following non-woke material. The novel ends with these words, making absolutely sure that everyone understands that women are strictly sex objects and baby-making machines:

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"What of the Fremen?" Jessica asked.

"The Fremen are mine," Paul said. “What they receive shall be dispensed by Muad'Dib. It'll begin with Stilgar as Governor on Arrakis, but that can wait."

"And for me?" Jessica asked.

"Is there something you wish?"

"Perhaps Caladan," she said, looking at Gurney. “I'm not certain. I've become too much the Fremen ... and the Reverend Mother. I need a time of peace and stillness in which to think."

"That you shall have," Paul said, "and anything else that Gurney or I can give you."

Jessica nodded, feeling suddenly old and tired. She looked at Chani. “And for the royal concubine?"

"No title for me," Chani whispered. “Nothing. I beg of you."

Paul stared down into her eyes, remembering her suddenly as she had stood once with little Leto in her arms, their child now dead in this violence. “I swear to you now," he whispered, "that you'll need no title. That woman over there will be my wife and you but a concubine because this is a political thing and we must weld peace out of this moment, enlist the Great Houses of the Landsraad. We must obey the forms. Yet that princess shall have no more of me than my name. No child of mine nor touch nor softness of glance, nor instant of desire."

"So you say now," Chani said. She glanced across the room at the tall princess.

"Do you know so little of my son?" Jessica whispered. “See that princess standing there, so haughty and confident. They say she has pretensions of a literary nature. Let us hope she finds solace in such things; she'll have little else.” A bitter laugh escaped Jessica. “Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine -- never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine -- history will call us wives."

I know thousands of Trumptards. Not one is worth a goddamn. Not one knows that about themselves or that they are marching to destruction behind fatso Trump, no more than fatso Baron Vladimir Harkonnen's people knew they would get destroyed while following their designated fat-ass lunatic leader.

The National Review took a big shit on Dune: Part 2, but after the review mentioned a good movie:

Nothing in Villeneuve’s Dune series is as good as Zack Snyder’s Rebel Moon, which revives mythic understanding of both mankind’s history and fate. Rebel Moon shares the pop-culture wit of David Lynch’s 1984 Dune adaptation, but instead of surrealism, Snyder brought kinetic, erotic excitement that elevated the sci-fi genre. Its imagery is daring, immediate, and reverberant, Dune: Part 2 is the anti–Rebel Moon. Moviegoers who settle for Villeneuve’s monotonous formula surrender to film culture’s decline.

https://www.nationalrevi

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, March 1, 2024 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No. Nobody voting for Trump wants any of that.

Yours are delusions of a psychopath who watches too much MSNBC and gets all of his talking points from Kevin Drum.

Keep your TDS in the RWED.

P.S. Your definition of woke is not what woke actually is. You've consistently gotten that wrong and attributed things to it incorrectly time and time again.

Even if Frank Herbert was a precog and saw Trump coming and the book was written exactly as you say it was about Trump, that does not make Frank Herbert's Dune (or the movies) woke.
You don't get more woke than Dune 2!

Uh huh...

Dune | Frank Herbert’s Homophobia, Baron Harkonnen, and Queer Menace

An incestuous pedophile as originally written, we explore the homophobic legacy of Dune’s queer-coded Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

https://www.thecompanion.app/dune-baron-harkonnen-queer-menace-and-fra
nk-herberts-homophobia/

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This time little of Herbert’s more unpleasant characterization made it to the screen but in the novel, Baron Harkonnen – an incestuous pedophile – is the only gay character in the series. And everything about the Baron is designed to be as repulsive as possible to a contemporary reader so that he would be singled out as the most cartoonishly villainous character out of the book’s antagonists. His physical appearance is described as “grossly and immensely fat” with “suspensors” under his robes to actually hold up his flesh, making him yet another fat villain demonized for their weight. Herbert contrasts the Baron’s large body with the young and lithe slaveboys that he lusts after and exploits, in order to further drive home the horror of him using his immense power over them.

Sounds like Herbert was writing about Kevin Drum. Or maybe Harvey Weinstein. Like it or not, Harvey was one of Yours.

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