Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers
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UPDATED: Friday, August 2, 2024 09:17
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The creator of the franchise was disliked but News websites are starting to accept the fact and math of profit
Deadline reported 20 Million others say it was higher
20 Million or 25 Million
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Presales have grown to a crazy amount on this $20M production since we last reported (some saying well north of $11M), with some exhibitors projecting a tentpole-type opening of $85M.
https://web.archive.org/web/20231025000921/https://deadline.com/2023/1
0/five-nights-at-freddys-box-office-preview-1235581874/
or maybe it is 20 Million plus 5 Million for distribution and marketing?
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Five Nights At Freddy's Budget Is Reportedly $25.1 Million
According to Louisiana Economic Development, the Five Nights at Freddy's movie cost a little over $25.1 million to produce. The most significant factor in the higher cost was reportedly the animatronics, which were created by Jim Henson Studios as noted in Jason Blum's interview with Fortune. While his salary is unknown, the inclusion of a bigger star like Josh Hutcherson may have had some impact on the overall budget as well, as many of Blumhouse's most profitable horror hits star newcomers or lower-level actors.
https://screenrant.com/five-nights-at-freddys-budget-box-office-predic
tion/
animatronics refers to mechatronic puppets. They are a part robot, part puppet the modern variant of the automaton
Steven Spielberg and Jim Henson have been noted pioneers in using animatronics
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Cawthon became a trending topic on Twitter when his publicly available political donations were shared on the website. Except for one donation to Democratic Party representative Tulsi Gabbard, all of Cawthon's donations were to Republican Party politicians, including U.S. President Donald Trump.
He claimed that he had been doxed and had received threats of violence and home invasion after his donations were publicized.
Yeah. I wrote about this a LONG time back when it happened in the RWED somewhere. I'd probably never be able to dig it up now though.
That's got to be at least part of what these critic ratings and the articles are about now. Most of those sites are run and staffed by a bunch of blue haired TDS cultists.
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Taylor Swift concert thing winning against Martin Scorsese Killers of the Flower Moon, however it made money as it takes second spot
https://www.manilatimes.net/2023/10/23/entertainment-lifestyle/swift-b
ests-scorsese-at-box-office-but-killers-of-the-flower-moon-opens-strong/1916035
Killers hasn't "made" any money at all and it never will.
I'm in the process of updating all of the movie charts since the last update in late September. One major thing to note is that even after 2 weekends in the box office, Killers of the Flower Moon still has the lowest Worldwide Gross vs. Production Budget of ALL of the movies released this year in the US on the Top 100 Worldwide Box Office.
In fact, it's still several percent below what will ultimately be the biggest loser of the year, Nicholas Cage's Renfield.
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Video game adaptation will be the profit winner?
FNAF, on the very opposite end of the spectrum has by far the best WWBO vs. PB on Opening Weekend of any movie to come out in 2023. It didn't have ANY competition. I don't think it's going to come close to topping the list for WWBO vs. PB for the full runs for movies (both because it was available on streaming at Peacock from day one and I think the built-in audience was heavily front-loaded for FNAF), but it should land a spot easily in the top 10 along with other horror flicks like M3GAN, Talk To Me, Insidious: The Red Door and The Nun II.
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or maybe it is 20 Million plus 5 Million for distribution and marketing?
I'm never quite sure unless Bruce puts a figure on the-numbers.com.
If Bruce didn't put a number on it, I like to err on the side of caution when creating these lists. Even though I did see both the $20 and $25 Million figure, just so nobody can claim that I'm playing favorites I've gone with the $25 Million Production Budget figure until somebody proves otherwise.
JSF didn't like that when I chose the higher number for Sound of Freedom either, but I've also done it with Barbie and Blue Beetle. Both when WB came out and admitted that Barbie was $45 Million higher than they originally admitted it was, and when WB came out and tried to claim that Blue Beetle was $16 Million less than they originally claimed it cost after they realized how big a flop it was going to be.
Sure. I'll easily add money to a production budget if a company comes out and admits that it cost more once it's very clear that the movie was a smash hit. But if they're going to try to tell you that a flop they put out cost less than they said it did a month earlier they're going to need to bring some receipts before I make that change. To this date, Bruce still has Blue Beetle's PB at $120 Million, so it would appear that nobody presented him with any information that made him lower that budget to $104 Million either.
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THE NUMBERS FROM 09/24/2023
2023 WINNERS AND LOSERS (MOVIES)
By % of WORLDWIDE GROSS / PRODUCTION BUDGET
Up to date as of 09/24/2023
00000000000000000000| PRODUCTION0| WORLDWIDE0000|% OVER|2.0x RoT000000|2.5x RoT000000|FINAL|
Rnk|MOVIE TITLE00000| BUDGET00000| GROSS00000000|BUDGET|PROFIT/LOSS000|PROFIT/LOSS000|DATE0|STUDIO000|
001|M3GAN 0000000000|0$12,000,000|00$181,013,217|1,508%|00$157,013,217|00$151,013,217|03/16|UNIVERSAL|
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002|Talk To Me000000|00$4,500,000|000$65,767,857|1,462%|000$56,767,857|000$54,517,857|00000|A24000000|
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003|Sound of Freedom|0$14,500,000|00$210,799,928|1,454%|00$181,799,928|00$174,549,857|00000|ANGEL STU|
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004|Super Mario Bros|$100,000,000|$1,360,027,222|1,360%|$1,160,027,222|$1,110,027,222|07/07|UNIVERSAL|
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005|Insidious: TRD00|0$16,000,000
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The new tables are up and finished.
Notable happenings since last update:
1. FNAF is in 12th place after only 3 days in the box office for total WW Gross vs. Production Budget, and 1st place for Opening Weekend WW Gross vs. Production Budget.
2. Killers of the Flower Moon is in last place (61st) for total WW Gross vs. Production Budget after two weekends, and ranked 53rd place for Opening Weekend WW Gross vs. Production Budget.
3. Killers of the Flower Moon is single-handedly responsible for dropping Paramount Pictures from 7th place in the studio rankings all the way down to 13th (last) place. Only Disney now is doing worse than Paramount when you add back the $170 Million Production Budget wasted on Peter Pan & Wendy.
4. Equalizer 3 is going to wrap up its run safely in the black with at least 265% of its Production Budget grossed.
5. After next weekend, FNAF will land somwhere in the bottom half of the Top 10, pushing out Miles Morales 2. When this happens, not one single movie in the Top 10 will be a comic book property and 6 of the Top 10 will be Horror movies. 10 of the Top 20 are currently Horror movies already, and Miles Morales is the only Comic Book movie in the Top 20.
6. The Creator, Expend4bles, A Haunting in Venice, Mission Impossible 7 and Killers of the Flower Moon are bona fide flops with no hope of ever reaching 200% of their Production Budgets.
7. Hollywood, as a whole, has only made 268% of its combined Production Budget back on the Top 100 movies of 2023, barely eeking past the 2.5x RoT.
8. Even with 2.5x RoT considered, Universal has made a monsterous $1.45 BILLION, Warner Bros. has made $800 MILLION, Sony Pictures has made $525 MILLION. If it weren't for these three as well as Angel Studios, A24 and United Artists, Hollywood would be underwater as of November this year.
9. With only $1.2 BILLION in total profit out of the $14.5 BILLION Hollywood has made so far this year, it's very unlikely that Hollywood will actually post a loss for the year overall. But there are a few major flops still coming down the pike. Hollywood almost certainly won't even be able to claim that they've made over $1 BILLION in profits in 2023 despite having grossed well over $15 BILLION in box office receipts.
Time to start trimming those budgets.
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2. Killers of the Flower Moon is in last place (61st) for total WW Gross vs. Production Budget after two weekends, and ranked 53rd place for Opening Weekend WW Gross vs. Production Budget.
3. Killers of the Flower Moon is single-handedly responsible for dropping Paramount Pictures from 7th place in the studio rankings all the way down to 13th (last) place. Only Disney now is doing worse than Paramount when you add back the $170 Million Production Budget wasted on Peter Pan & Wendy.
Cope...
The real reason why Killers Of The Flower Moon was a flop at the box office
https://ustoday.news/the-real-reason-why-killers-of-the-flower-moon-wa
s-a-flop-at-the-box-office/
But at least they're finally going to admit it.
They knew it was a flop after opening night. They didn't admit it until Day 12.
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Quote:The real reason is that it is a Martin Scorsese movie. Here are his last 5 movies:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The real reason why Killers Of The Flower Moon was a flop at the box office
Killers of the Flower Moon (2023) vs.
The Irishman (2019) vs.
Silence (2016) vs.
The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) vs.
Hugo (2011)
His latest movie is doing better than any other Scorsese movie except The Wolf of Wall Street:
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Killers
-of-the-Flower-Moon-(2023)/Irishman-The-(2019)/Silence-(2016)/Wolf-of-Wall-Street-The/Hugo#tab=day_by_day_comparison
Kind of funny that The Irishman cost $159,000,000 but doesn't even register on the graph of ticket sales for Scorsese's most recent 5 movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irishman#Financing_and_budget
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The real reason is that it is a Martin Scorsese movie. Here are his last 5 movies:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The real reason why Killers Of The Flower Moon was a flop at the box office
Killers of the Flower Moon (2023) vs.
The Irishman (2019) vs.
Silence (2016) vs.
The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) vs.
Hugo (2011)
His latest movie is doing better than any other Scorsese movie except The Wolf of Wall Street:
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Killers
-of-the-Flower-Moon-(2023)/Irishman-The-(2019)/Silence-(2016)/Wolf-of-Wall-Street-The/Hugo#tab=day_by_day_comparison
Kind of funny that The Irishman cost $159,000,000 but doesn't even register on the graph of ticket sales for Scorsese's most recent 5 movies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irishman#Financing_and_budget
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
So what is Scorsese? Like the Uwe Boll of Oscarbait porn?
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Quote:His last 5 movies' subject matter was bad guys. He does gangsters (from the gangsters' viewpoint), stock-marketeers cheating their customers out of millions, husbands murdering their wives for millions, apostate Catholic priests denying Christ, adults abandoning children (Hugo 2011), etc.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
So what is Scorsese? Like the Uwe Boll of Oscarbait porn?
Audiences stay away from such "films", but critics love 'em because Scorsese's movies aren't Superhero movies.
I'm slow to realize that Serenity's subject matter was also bad guys. That is probably why audiences stayed away just like with Scorsese's movies, but critics, again, loved Serenity because it wasn't a Superhero movie.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Serenity#tab=box-office
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/serenity/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:His last 5 movies' subject matter is bad guys. He does gangsters (from the gangsters' viewpoint), stock-marketeers cheating their customers out of millions, husbands murdering their wives for millions, apostate Catholic priests denying Christ, adults abandoning children (Hugo 2011), etc.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
So what is Scorsese? Like the Uwe Boll of Oscarbait porn?
Audiences stay away from such "films", but critics love 'em because Scorsese's movies aren't Superhero movies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Yeah. But up until the 2nd half of Blue Beetle's run, the critics loved Superhero movies and called you a IstaPhobe if you didn't go out and see them.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not hating on Scorsese. I've only seen a handful of his filmography, but there wasn't one I've seen that I didn't like. I think the last one I saw was Gangs of New York, so I can't say how his more recent flicks are compared to the ones he made in the 80's and 90's. His films are without any question full of substance compared to anything coming out of Marvel or DC.
But the budgets are just out of control. I had no idea The Irishman cost $159 Million to make until you made that post. WTF for? It's like he's laundering money to give to his friends like Adam Sandler did with any of his movies from the last 20 years since none of that money actually ends up on screen.
I just find the whole Hollywood apparatus quite humorous.
For weeks now we've seen the critics hating on Five Nights at Freddy's, to the point that Jaynez was still saying that he didn't know if it was going to be successful or not well after the weekend money had been tallied up and proved that it already had the largest Opening Weekend ROI of any movie that has been released in 2023 by far, but even though it was clear from Preview Thursday on the 19th of October that Killers was going to be a massive flop, the articles are only now coming out and calling a flop a flop nearly 2 weeks later.
Again... I have little doubt that Killers is objectively a much better movie than FNAF is. But the blatant favoritism and how this entire industry is reported on is just disgusting.
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Quote:The $159 million was to use computers to make the actors look young in the early parts of their story.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
But the budgets are just out of control. I had no idea The Irishman cost $159 Million to make until you made that post. WTF for?
Again... I have little doubt that Killers is objectively a much better movie than FNAF is. But the blatant favoritism and how this entire industry is reported on is just disgusting.
This is kind of important to explain why so many movies crash and burn:
What screenwriter is famous for saying "nobody knows anything"? William Goldman
The title comes from a William Goldman quote from his book "Adventures in the Screen Trade", where he says that "the single most important fact, perhaps, of the entire movie industry" is that 'nobody knows anything'.
Everybody reviewing movies is either guessing what the audience wants (and writing reviews to match their guesses at how an audience will react) or they are truthfully telling you what they like and dislike about a movie.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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