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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 10:56 PM

Child Rapist Zelensky cancelled next year's Presidential election.

Why are you two so wrapped up in supporting a dictatorship?



Oh... I mean, Zelensky would be more than happy to have the election, but he's going to require an outside payment of €120 Million (or another $126,845,400.00) if he's even going to consider it.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-democracy-dilemma-election
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Get fucked. The entire lot of you.

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“I realize the security environment to conduct an election would be challenging. However, I cannot think of a better investment for the stability of Europe than helping Ukraine survive as an independent, self-governing, Rule of Law-based democracy. I would encourage all of Ukraine’s allies to help provide the financial and technical assistance to support this effort,” Graham said in a tweet.


And you too, Lindsey. Fuck you twice.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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THG
Tuesday, September 26, 2023 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's true that three of Russia's ships were damaged (one, the Moskva, over a year ago) and a few IL planes were damaged or destroyed. OTOH almost all of Ukraine's air defenses are gone, their fighter jets/ bombers and are almost depleted, they have few helicopters left, and they have almost no more artillery munitions.

It seems that, according to Military Summary Channel, which creates excruciatingly detailed updates on strikes, advances, and losses on BOTH sides, that Ukraine is almost out of tanks and is fielding fewer and fewer drones (maybe they're stockpiling them for a future event) and HIMARS launchers are getting destroyed about every third or fourth day.

Ukrainians in the south are reduced to running their light infantry thru minefields, and took even bigger losses than they did when they charged with western tanks and APCs.

So, this is war. It would be a strange war if Russia took no losses at all. But Ukrainians losses are far higher.






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Has the US Overcommitted Itself to the Ukraine War?


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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 12:13 AM


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SECOND: Signym, you are cowardly, lazy, greedy, selfish.

SIGNY: tsk tsk ... name-calling??? I know for a fact that I'm hardworking; face up to challenges and conflicts (and criminals); generous; and take my responsibilities to my family, my country, and my country's future SERIOUSLY. And you're projecting again.

SECOND: Too many in Congress don't support war.

SIGNY: Why should they? Come up with ONE solid reason why we need to constantly be at war somewhere far away.

SECOND; America is NOT at war if you look at how many Americans die in hostile action. In 2022, the number of deaths in hostile action is, wait for it, drum roll, zero. 2023 numbers are not yet posted.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner

SIGNY: Americans are getting killed in Syria and Ukraine. But the ones killed, even those part of the "official" military, aren't supposed to be there, to avoid the appearance of fighting Russian directly. So even tho "secret" bases/ command centers are hit by Russian missiles/ bombs/ rockets/ shells, they will not be acknowledged officially.
And if we're NOT at "war" in so many places, either by proxy or unofficially, why is our DoD budget so huge? Let's just cut the damn thing by 90% and protect our own borders instead of sending our troops all over creation. I think, if our militay was seen a doing something ACTUALLY USEFUL for the USA, recruitment would be up.
Give me a damn good reason why we shouldn't.



SECOND: 1) Signym, you absolutely have no proof backing up any of your claims about Americans (soldiers or CIA) being killed overseas, not even the claim about you being hardworking. You've got nothing.

It is in open sources that the CIA and US military have bases of operation in NE Syria supporting Syrian Kurds, and data fusion / command centers in Ukraine, and that these bases of operation have been struck by Russian weapons.

And you have nothing to show that I'm lazy, greedy etc, but you post it anyway!


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2) You are implying that the military should be guarding the US border with Mexico and Canada. The border is already guarded, but if your goal is to kill thousands along the border then switching the responsibility to the Army and Marines will end with a massive number of dead aliens.
Maybe human traffickers wouldn't get so many customers and illegal migrants would stop swarming our southern border.

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;3) And why does Congress spend $trillions on defense? Because Congressmen want the money spent in their districts. They approve of sending ammo to Ukraine so that even more money than ever before can be spent with defense manufacturers in their home states and Congressional districts.
Aren't there more productive and important things to be spending our $$$ on? You keep harping about global climate change... what about that? What about energy security and re-industrialization and covering everyone with basic, competitive health care?

The sad reality is that the MICC (military industrial Congressional complex) has a self-reinforcing loop, since $$$$ flows in that direction, $ donations flows back in the direction of Congress.

The rest of your post is just blah blah blah.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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;3) And why does Congress spend $trillions on defense? Because Congressmen want the money spent in their districts. They approve of sending ammo to Ukraine so that even more money than ever before can be spent with defense manufacturers in their home states and Congressional districts.
Aren't there more productive and important things to be spending our $$$ on? You keep harping about global climate change... what about that? What about energy security and re-industrialization and covering everyone with basic, competitive health care?

The sad reality is that the MICC (military industrial Congressional complex) has a self-reinforcing loop, since $$$$ flows in that direction, $ donations flows back in the direction of Congress.

The rest of your post is just blah blah blah.

August 11, 2022 - The U.S. House of Representatives today approved the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. The bill includes about $370 billion in clean energy and climate investments over the next 10 years. After passing the Senate on August 7, the bill now goes to U.S. President Joe Biden for his expected signature to enact it into law.

No Republicans voted for spending money on climate change. Not one of them. That's why the amount is so small since Senator Manchin (Democrat - W. Virginia, Coal mining multi-millionaire) would not vote for more. On the other hand, Republicans gladly vote for more than a trillion dollars per year for Defense and the Veterans Administration. That is why Defense gets trillions and climate change gets only billions.

Signym, it is easy to understand that Republicans and Democrat Manchin control spending. It is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, some "self-reinforcing loop". Congress makes too many crappy spending decisions because Manchin and all Republicans are crappy people.

The Pentagon will be shutting down because the crappy Republicans can't make a decision: Military pay for millions of active-duty service members and reservists could dry up with a government shutdown. “Military personnel will not be paid until such time as Congress appropriates funds available to compensate them for this period of service,” the Defense Department said in a September memo to Pentagon leaders preparing for a potential lapse in spending.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/26/government-shu
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 6:15 AM

Not knowing the specifics of the bill, I can't say whether or not it should be supported. Maybe it's just a giveaway to favored businesses.

OTOH, it represents more deficit spending. If the DoD budget was cut by 90%... and tell me why, again, that it shouldn't be?... then that would save more than enough $$$ to pay for that bill, with about $50O billion leftover each year.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 6:08 PM

Signym, what percent of Americans wanted to leave because of the war in Afghanistan, the longest war in American history? Zero Percent.

Bleak impact of Ukraine war on Russians laid bare in poll -- 16% Want To Leave

Russians' views of their daily challenges and the future were influenced by their wider political beliefs.

The research split the Russian population into four distinct groups based on their attitudes towards the status quo: Hawks, Loyalists, Moderates and Liberals.

Exactly 84% of respondents wanted to stay in Russia, but 53% of what it called "Liberals" wished to move abroad.

Just over three-quarters of this latter group, who opposed the ruling regime, were worried about potential restrictions on leaving the country, it added.

"Pro-war Russians are mainly satisfied with their life despite the existing problems," the researchers reported.

However, "bursts of anxiety" have started emerging among what it described as "Loyalists" – those who generally agree with the objectives of government, but can question its means.

Understanding to what extent Russians truly support the war is difficult. The Kremlin fiercely represses anti-war dissent.

Critics of the “special operation”, as it is known inside the country, have been subjected to hefty fines, arrests and outright violence, with one Russian father detained for his daughter’s supposed anti-war drawings at school.

Elena Koneva, a researcher at Russia's opinion-polling company ExtremeScan, in May cited polls showing a 50/50 split between those backing the war and those against it.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/26/bursts-of-anxiety-impact-of-ukrain
e-war-on-russians-laid-bare-in-poll


I would not be surprised if Ukraine becomes Russia's longest war in history, where missiles are fired at Ukraine for many decades. As new missiles are built, the Russians fire them at Ukraine, on and on, year after year, decade after decade. Never admit defeat of the "Special Operation". Glorious triumph awaits Russia somewhere in the distant future when NATO loses member nations Finland, Poland, All the Baltic Countries, etc.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:12 PM

Russia may be prepared to engage in direct conflict with NATO member states, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev suggested on Tuesday.

In a post on his Telegram channel, Medvedev, who is deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, criticized the supply of weapons to Ukraine by its Western allies, suggesting a war could break out over deliveries of Abrams tanks and the potential supply of long-range missiles to Ukraine.

"It seems that Russia is being left with less and less choice but direct conflict with NATO," wrote Medvedev.

NATO has "turned into an openly fascist bloc," said Medvedev, accusing the military alliance of being like Nazi Germany and the Axis powers — a coalition headed by Germany, Italy and Japan—in World War II, "albeit larger."

"We are ready, although the result will be achieved at a much greater cost to humanity than in 1945," Medvedev warned.

Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine's minister of internal affairs, said the former Russian president is "threatening the whole of humanity."

It's not the first time Medvedev has insinuated that Russia could attack NATO members for providing Ukraine with assistance. He said in December 2022 that such countries could be "legitimate military targets."

"Today...the main question is whether the hybrid war de facto declared on our country by NATO can be considered to be the alliance's entry into war with Russia? Is it possible to view the delivery of a large volume of weapons to Ukraine as an attack on Russia?" he wrote at the time.

"The leaders of NATO countries keep unanimously squawking that their countries and the entire bloc are not at war with Russia," Medvedev continued. "Yet, everyone is well aware that this is not the case."

He noted that in light of this, the question arises whether NATO allies are legitimate military targets.

According to "the named rules of war," he said, the armed forces of other countries "that have officially entered the war, which are allies of the enemy country, and the objects located on their territory," are considered legitimate military targets.

More at https://www.newsweek.com/russia-medvedev-nato-putin-ally-ukraine-war-1
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:48 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not knowing the specifics of the bill, I can't say whether or not it should be supported. Maybe it's just a giveaway to favored businesses.

OTOH, it represents more deficit spending. If the DoD budget was cut by 90%... and tell me why, again, that it shouldn't be?... then that would save more than enough $$$ to pay for that bill, with about $50O billion leftover each year.

It is $370 billion in clean energy and climate investments over the next ten years. That is $37 billion per year.

There are astonishingly large amounts of information at https://www.google.com/search?q=wiki+inflation+reduction+act+of+2022

The dollar values for 116 items are listed in the Inflation Reduction Act Guidebook - Clean Energy
https://www.whitehouse.gov/cleanenergy/inflation-reduction-act-guidebo
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:59 PM

Yes, $37 billion per year. Compared to about $800 billion per year for DoD.

Once again looking at the cockroach and ignoring the gorrilla.
So, quickly doing the math here ... If we reduced the DoD budget by 90%, that would fund the energy bill and leave ... $683 billion in saved money per year.

Given that we're spending $800 billion per year to waste money, energy, resources, and lives, and only spending $37 billion per year for climate change reduction... where are Congressional/deep state/media priorities?

Stop wasting everyone's time with ludicrous propaganda.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Thursday, September 28, 2023 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Stop wasting everyone's time with ludicrous propaganda.

28 Sep 2023

Russia accused Ukraine’s Western allies of helping plan and execute a missile attack on the Russian Black Sea fleet’s headquarters in the annexed Crimean Peninsula last week.

Moscow’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Wednesday that Western reconnaissance data, NATO country satellites and spy planes were all used in the attack carried out by Ukraine on the fleet’s headquarters.

“There is no doubt that the attack had been planned in advance using Western intelligence means, NATO satellite assets and reconnaissance planes and was implemented upon the advice of [United States] and British security agencies and in close coordination with them,” Zakharova said at a briefing.

“The obvious aim of such terrorist acts is to divert attention from the failed attempts of the counteroffensive by the Ukrainian armed forces and to frighten people, to stir up panic in our society,” she said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/28/russia-says-ukraines-western-
allies-assisted-in-black-sea-fleet-hq-attack


"We go from victory to victory to achieve the ultimate victory of humbling NATO and devastating Ukrainian Nazis. Washington and London will beg for mercy, but there will be none!" -- Some unknown Russian propagandist writing tomorrow's report of progress in the Special Operation.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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