***** Sound of Freedom
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 03:13
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No Friday projections for SoF or TTM.
SoF needs $700,072 for a bump.
TTM needs $496,600 for a bump.
Some (very small amount of) additional international money must have come in at the-numbers because Bruce is now $4,288,922 short worldwide of what BOM is showing, and they're both up-to-date on Domestic numbers through Thursday.
My guess is about $175k for SoF and $475k for TTM domestic this weekend.
That is assuming that either or both of them haven't been bumped from theaters, of course, since Bruce's weekly theater count article doesn't mention either of them. But with SoF still showing in 730 theaters and TTM still showing in 930 theaters on Thursday night, I find it hard to believe that they're both done in the US just yet.
Neither of them would get a bump this weekend from those Domestic figures alone.
TTM's projections for this weekend are $567,472 (a 35% drop), which was enough for a bump sooner than I expected. So at least we know that TTM is still in Domestic theaters, having lost 350 on Friday with 570 remaining.
Still no word on Sound of Freedom on money or theater counts.
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If Bruce updates the TTM figures to match BOM's on Sunday/Monday, that would be $4,763,922 additional for TTM without considering any new International Box Office numbers from last week's update. That would be $68,767,322, or 5 percentage bumps, and would leave TTM $732,678 shy of the next bump.
The bump it got early won't have much effect on anything beyond an early bump. If everything else I predicted is accurate, it gets the same amount of bumps, but it just needs $88k less for the next bump.
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I would further give TTM at least the $732,678 it needed for the next bump from new international numbers for this weekend, but not enough to make the $1,732,678 it would need for 2 more bumps, putting it at 1,556%.
And I still don't think it would get the $1,640,206 NEW international money it would need for 2 bumps, so this extra $88k it got beyond my weekend Domestic prediction probably doesn't amount to much in the end.
Still no new numbers for SoF since Tuesday night.
Hopefully Bruce reconciles that $4.X international for Talk To Me soon and updates SoF's internationals today too.
In case you want to make comparisons when that happens, JSF, I just archived the international page for each movie.
SoF International Archive (09/17/23 @ 10:15AM CST): https://archive.ph/PUnBM
TTM International Archive (09/17/23 @ 10:15AM CST): https://archive.ph/sE6ia
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It appears that SoF was going to be released online on the 15th, but that has been postponed to "Coming Soon".
https://www.geo.tv/latest/510272-sound-of-freedom-faces-online-release
-delay
But just like the Blue Beetle online release date, I'm not seeing any mainstream articles about this, so take it with a grain of salt.
It's a good move by Angel Studios if they did that though. I'm sure it will get an online release, but no reason to do it before it has at least a few weeks in Brazil first. With $10 to $20 million incoming from Brazil, why would anybody risk losing that profit by releasing it online ahead of time unless they were Warner Bros who always seems to make poor financial decisions.
I'd expect an online release for SoF sometime in mid to late October.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It appears that SoF was going to be released online on the 15th, but that has been postponed to "Coming Soon".
https://www.geo.tv/latest/510272-sound-of-freedom-faces-online-release
-delay
But just like the Blue Beetle online release date, I'm not seeing any mainstream articles about this, so take it with a grain of salt.
It's a good move by Angel Studios if they did that though. I'm sure it will get an online release, but no reason to do it before it has at least a few weeks in Brazil first. With $10 to $20 million incoming from Brazil, why would anybody risk losing that profit by releasing it online ahead of time unless they were Warner Bros who always seems to make poor financial decisions.
I'd expect an online release for SoF sometime in mid to late October.
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Before Spain, France, Germany?
Do folk think there is no interwebs in those countries?
BTW, I have almost gotten my tables built the way I wanted, including the highlights.
I invite you to peruse them.
I know you consider the highlighted info inconsequential, but I think it helps show trends.
Lithuania has increased Box Office every single weekend. But their weekday Box Office seems goofy.
Up til Australia, every country had an increase of some form over a prior week. Just like Domestic.
I plan to update later.
Also, as I stated before, none of Mexico's figures add up, so there is not much detail to cull from what I've seem there.
Colombia had a small drop, and Mexico is gibberish, so wondering if other Latino countries will have similar results.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:???
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It appears that SoF was going to be released online on the 15th, but that has been postponed to "Coming Soon".
https://www.geo.tv/latest/510272-sound-of-freedom-faces-online-release
-delay
But just like the Blue Beetle online release date, I'm not seeing any mainstream articles about this, so take it with a grain of salt.
It's a good move by Angel Studios if they did that though. I'm sure it will get an online release, but no reason to do it before it has at least a few weeks in Brazil first. With $10 to $20 million incoming from Brazil, why would anybody risk losing that profit by releasing it online ahead of time unless they were Warner Bros who always seems to make poor financial decisions.
I'd expect an online release for SoF sometime in mid to late October.
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Before Spain, France, Germany?
I guess. I didn't even know it was getting released there. It's not up on the-numbers or BOM.
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Do folk think there is no interwebs in those countries?
I don't think it really matters. Europe hasn't done shit for SoF. Spaniards from Spain have about as much in common with people from Central and South America as Samuel L. Jackson has in common with some 80 year old African lady with a foot long neck living in a mud hut and communicating in tongue clicks. Those box offices are going to be small.
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BTW, I have almost gotten my tables built the way I wanted, including the highlights.
I invite you to peruse them.
I know you consider the highlighted info inconsequential, but I think it helps show trends.
Cool.
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Lithuania has increased Box Office every single weekend. But their weekday Box Office seems goofy.
Up til Australia, every country had an increase of some form over a prior week. Just like Domestic.
I plan to update later.
Also, as I stated before, none of Mexico's figures add up, so there is not much detail to cull from what I've seem there.
Colombia had a small drop, and Mexico is gibberish, so wondering if other Latino countries will have similar results.
Yeah... Not a huge fan of how international numbers are kept. BOM gives you the illusion that you can look more in-depth on them, but most countries you can't and even the ones that you can have nonsense numbers half the time.
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Sound of Freedom International Box Office.
I think I need to start a new table for this. Data is hard to come by, is not transparent, and seems to fluctuate a bunch. I will need to use Box Office Mojo for source data, and work from there. If other data becomes available, I will try to reconcile that.
Legend:
Each nation's entry is comprised of 2 lines.
In the first Identifier places, the order is by the stated Release Date. Next is the Country Abbreviation.
In the line below that, the Maximum number of theaters I could find for a film in that country. Then the day which they start their weekend, according to their Box Office Results. This is either Thursday or Friday.
The remainder of the columns have weekday figures in the top line, and weekend figures in the 2nd line, plus the subtotals.
The column labeled Date Range has the range of dates for those figures.
Next column is Box Office for those dates.
Next is the Rank of that Box Office figure.
Next is Theater Count.
Next is $ per Theater Average.
Next is the Rank of the $ per Theater figure.
Next is the Total, for weekdays only.
Next is the 7 Day Totals, which is both lines added together.
Next is the Rank of that 7 Day Total Box Office (when available, or calculated).
Next is the Cumulative Total for that Country.
Then are selected figures from the Prior week, to reference for comparison.
Data is culled from Box Office Mojo. Countries with Asterisks are using data from The Numbers - mostly because that data is not available on BOM.
Fields highlighted green are values greater than the prior week. Box Office, rank, theater count, $ per theater, rank, weekly total or subtotal.
Figures highlighted red are intended to be placeholders for fields which are waiting for updated or current data.
Week of 14-20 August:
Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week_______________________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultiv
Dte Cont Weeknd00000000000 Cnt Theatr0000Weekday SbTotal0000Total BO
18A Icel 14-17A $ 2,854 __ ___ ______ __ $ 2,854
000014/F 18-20A $11,914 #3 0 8 $1,489 #3 00000000$14,768 #5 $0 14,768
17A UAE- 14-16A
000200/T 17-20A 153,695 #8 039 $3,940 #7 00000000153,695 __ $ 153,695
18A SAfr 14-17A
000117/F 18-20A $87,927 #2 060 $1,465 #1 00000000$87,927 __ $0 87,927
18A Lith 14-17A
000177/F 18-20A $ 5,654 #8 016 $0 353 #2 00000000$ 5,654 __ $ 0 5,654
24A N Z- 14-16A
000123/T 17-20A $ 5,626 18 0 3 $1,875 #5 00000000$ 5,626 __ $ 0 5,626
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000$ 2,854 267,6700000$ 267,670
Week of 21-27 August:
Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week______________________ ___________Last Week___________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultv BoxOffc Rk Thtr 7 Day Cummultiv
Dte Cont Weeknd00000000000 Cnt Theatr0000Weekday SbTotal0000Total BO00000000000 Cnt SbTotal0Total BO
18A Icel 21-24A
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I like how you're keeping the week to week up to date when nobody else bothers. Ultimately, I only update my own numbers after Bruce does, but his international tab sucks, showing only opening weekend and then everything else. And BOM makes you go through the hassle of looking at every country's page individually for the breakdowns, and then only shows you the weekends (which sometimes are 3 days and other times are 4 days).
Brazil is the big X Factor here.
Like I said before, I think that Russia will do some decent business in the area of $2 to $3 Million, but I don't expect much out of Germany, France or Spain.
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I'm super annoyed right now at the state of box office reporting this week(end).
We still haven't gotten an update on Sound of Freedom since Tuesday.
Talk To Me's Domestic weekend is the only movie on the list that is still projections and not actual numbers, and it's after 7PM on Monday.
Though TTM got a couple of bucks internationally on the-numbers.com, it's obvious it didn't get the weekend update and Bruce hasn't yet reconciled his internationals with whatever BOM has been reporting.
... Maybe tomorrow.
Saturday/Sunday's Numbers (Pre-International):
1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,455% (+0%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,444% (+22)
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% [FINAL]
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]
SoF needs 54% to beat M3GAN. (About $8 Million)
SoF is 11% above Talk To Me.
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Quote:I already mentioned that The Numbers also has the same way of getting data as BOM. The weekend BO, the weeklong BO from Accumulated totals, and subtracting for weekday data.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I like how you're keeping the week to week up to date when nobody else bothers. Ultimately, I only update my own numbers after Bruce does, but his international tab sucks, showing only opening weekend and then everything else. And BOM makes you go through the hassle of looking at every country's page individually for the breakdowns, and then only shows you the weekends (which sometimes are 3 days and other times are 4 days).
Brazil is the big X Factor here.
Like I said before, I think that Russia will do some decent business in the area of $2 to $3 Million, but I don't expect much out of Germany, France or Spain.
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The biggest difference seems to be that Bruce does not specify when the weekends start, or how he treats the figures he gets. Maybe he treats all data as a 3-day weekend, regardless if the country does 4 day weekends (BOM specifies) - and this may, in fact be the source of discrepancy between the reported figures, with Bruce just reporting them differently.
BOM seems at least up front about what they are trying to report, while Bruce remains a mystery.
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Quote:I've been suspecting that Angel Studios has been overwhelmed with Box Office wrangling coming out their ears. They have been reporting less frequently or consistently since international release dates have come about. They are a small outfit, and have never had a hit of this magnitude. There are worse problems to have.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm super annoyed right now at the state of box office reporting this week(end).
We still haven't gotten an update on Sound of Freedom since Tuesday.
Talk To Me's Domestic weekend is the only movie on the list that is still projections and not actual numbers, and it's after 7PM on Monday.
Though TTM got a couple of bucks internationally on the-numbers.com, it's obvious it didn't get the weekend update and Bruce hasn't yet reconciled his internationals with whatever BOM has been reporting.
... Maybe tomorrow.
Saturday/Sunday's Numbers (Pre-International):
1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,455% (+0%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,444% (+22)
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% [FINAL]
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]
SoF needs 54% to beat M3GAN. (About $8 Million)
SoF is 11% above Talk To Me.
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TTM is from UK, and they have never updated Friday through Thurs until the next Thurs/Fri. Their green projection numbers stay that way until then. Every week. I expect their update on Thurs or Fri.
New data today:
Bruce updated NZ and Aus. These new increases were subtracted from "Rest of the world" but the total remained the same, since I think 12 Sept.
BOM did not update any brand new Box Office, but did add detail to the Serbia info, the weekend data from the 2nd weekend - which was not there yesterday.
I plan to add this data on my next update.
I gotta remember to use different abbreviations for Slovakia and Slovenia.
I cannot find any data, anywhere, for Belize or Dominican Republic - for any film.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I've been suspecting that Angel Studios has been overwhelmed with Box Office wrangling coming out their ears. They have been reporting less frequently or consistently since international release dates have come about. They are a small outfit, and have never had a hit of this magnitude. There are worse problems to have.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm super annoyed right now at the state of box office reporting this week(end).
We still haven't gotten an update on Sound of Freedom since Tuesday.
Talk To Me's Domestic weekend is the only movie on the list that is still projections and not actual numbers, and it's after 7PM on Monday.
Though TTM got a couple of bucks internationally on the-numbers.com, it's obvious it didn't get the weekend update and Bruce hasn't yet reconciled his internationals with whatever BOM has been reporting.
... Maybe tomorrow.
Saturday/Sunday's Numbers (Pre-International):
1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,455% (+0%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,444% (+22)
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% [FINAL]
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]
SoF needs 54% to beat M3GAN. (About $8 Million)
SoF is 11% above Talk To Me.
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Maybe. But now they're a full week behind on reporting Domestic numbers and even further behind on Internationals. At this point, a full 5 days after the new Box Office Week started, we still don't even know what the theater counts for SoF is stateside, if any.
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TTM is from UK, and they have never updated Friday through Thurs until the next Thurs/Fri. Their green projection numbers stay that way until then. Every week. I expect their update on Thurs or Fri.
No. They don't. There's been little rhyme or reason to how Talk To Me's numbers have been reported since the beginning, sometimes not updating for at least as long as we've waited for an update from SoF right now. But any "pattern" that you think you've witnessed is just imagined here.
What I want to know is why Bruce isn't still reporting the extra $4.1 to $4.2 Million that BOM has for Talk To Me internationally yet. Let's go Bruce.
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New data today:
Bruce updated NZ and Aus. These new increases were subtracted from "Rest of the world" but the total remained the same, since I think 12 Sept.
BOM did not update any brand new Box Office, but did add detail to the Serbia info, the weekend data from the 2nd weekend - which was not there yesterday.
I plan to add this data on my next update.
I gotta remember to use different abbreviations for Slovakia and Slovenia.
I cannot find any data, anywhere, for Belize or Dominican Republic - for any film.
Still nothing new beyond that today.
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