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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 1:29 AM

ISW (Nuland's neocon think -machine) says that there may be a "pause" in Kiev's Great Counteroffensive that isn't. Apparently Ukraine has lost over a thousand men, and hundreds of armored vehicles (including Bradleys and Leopards) and haven't advanced past the gray zone.

Yep, things are going so well for Kiev that the USA think tanks are actually considering EU troops and tactical nukes.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 1:47 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
ISW (Nuland's neocon think -machine) says that there may be a "pause" in Kiev's Great Counteroffensive that isn't. Apparently Ukraine has lost over a thousand men, and hundreds of armored vehicles (including Bradleys and Leopards) and haven't advanced past the gray zone.

Yep, things are going well. Not.

Russia announces "We Have Not Yet Begun To Fight":

Sergei Shoigu, the Russian defence minister, said on Tuesday that the potential use of US-supplied Himars and UK-supplied Storm Shadow missiles against targets in Crimea would mark the west’s “full involvement in the conflict and would entail immediate strikes upon decision-making centres in Ukrainian territory”. Those are seen to include the Ukrainian presidential administration and intelligence headquarters.

The Russian ultimatum comes one day after Joe Biden said that the threat of Vladimir Putin authorising a tactical nuclear strike was “real”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/20/russia-threatens-ukraine
-decision-making-centres-kyiv-western-arms-crimea


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 1:56 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yep, things are going well. Not.

The Swedish Defence Research Agency released a report on Tuesday saying that Russia was planning for a prolonged confrontation with the west and was neither planning to end the war nor seek detente.

The risk of an escalation was also growing, the report said. “As Russia’s ground forces are severely battered, the importance of nuclear weapons increases,” said Maria Engqvist, an analyst for the organisation.

Dmitri Trenin, a prominent Russian foreign policy thinker who has grown more aggressive since the invasion, wrote on Tuesday that Russia should modernise its nuclear doctrine in order to show that the use of nuclear weapons is a “real, and not just theoretical possibility”.

He wrote: “The possibility of using nuclear weapons during the current conflict should not be hidden.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/20/russia-threatens-ukraine
-decision-making-centres-kyiv-western-arms-crimea


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 2:05 AM

The forces being battered are Ukrainian, not Russian. There are reports that Russians have killed up to 10 Ukrainians for every Russian soldier lost. This is borne out by the many videos of Ukrainian armored vehicles burning. I haven't seen any comparable ones of Russians being killed, and I bet that if Kiev achieved any sort of success there would be videos of it all over the internet. Or the line of contact would have moved, but it hasn't.

More lies and bullshit from SECOND.
Troll.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 2:14 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, things are going so well for Kiev that the USA think tanks are actually considering EU troops and tactical nukes.

Signym, things are going so well for Russia that it is considering tactical nukes. As always, you get things exactly backward. It is truly a talent you, and all Russians, have. Poor Russia! Always the innocent victim of Western plots! Russia is never the murdering, lying, torturing, thieving, raping horde that the West knows Russia to be. By the way, after a peace treaty was signed in WWII, Russia killed another 2 million Germans just because Russia could and Germany was helpless. Russians are not very sporting, but they cover up that by lying about what happened.

Ruth Deyermond @ruth_deyermond
The Swedish Defence Research Agency have published an excellent report on 'Russia?s War Against Ukraine and the West: The First Year', for which I was delighted to be one of the reviewers.

10:18 AM · Jun 20, 2023
https://twitter.com/ruth_deyermond/status/1671175640110841857

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 4:09 AM

Lies piss me off.
Why would Russia reach for tactical nukes if it has a clear abundance/dominance of conventional weapons? Ukraine has no air force to speak of. Its air defenses are depleted ...witness Russian attack helicopters freely roaming the skies over battlefields, killing Ukie tanks and other vehicles. Missiles, bombs and drones rain down on Ukrainian depots, munitions dumps, and decision centers from east to west. It already lost its first tank and artillery force, it lost its second tranche of donated Soviet era weapons and shells, and now it's using a scraped-together hodgepodge of donated Soviet-era and western weapons. Newly-trained, well equipped Russian troops are holding firm or (in the north) advancing.

Terrorist attacks on Russian civilians and children's camps, blowing up dams, dirty bombs or tactical nukes... these are the acts of a militarily weakened, desperate command.

Russia isn't desperate. It can outlast NATO in Ukraine, playing defense to the west's offense, attriting weapons and men on their heavily fortified lines.

The worst that can happen to Russia is if NATO calls off the offensive, which might require Russia to go on the offensive. Being on the offensive is always a more costly move. If Russia goes on the offensive it might in the north, away from Ukie troop concentrations near Bakhmut and Zaparozhiy. And of course they will continue to destroy concentrations of men, materiel, and strategic bridges/tunnels in far western Ukraine and ports on the Black Sea to interdict NATO weapons.
My guess, anyway.

pro-Ukrainian Military blogger Dima, on the Military Summary Channel for twice-daily updates on the frontlines.

"Russians spring another meat grinder"



You're just a troll SECOND, and the lies you post are legion.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 4:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Russia isn't desperate. It can outlast NATO in Ukraine, playing defense to the west's offense, attriting weapons and men on their heavily fortified lines.

The worst that can happen to Russia is if NATO calls off the offensive, which might require Russia to go on the offensive.

Russia will forever brag about its victory in Ukraine. And why not? Russia cannot stop bragging about the Great Patriotic War, where 27 million Russians died but only 7 million Germans. Russia also bragged about its miraculous economic recovery, but Germany has an economy twice as big as Russia’s. Time proved that Germany was the real winner of WWII, compared to Russia. But what country only had 419,400 deaths and an economy now more than 10 times bigger than Russia’s? The USA.

Funny how Japan, conquered by the US, also has an economy many times larger than Russia's. That is because Russians are noteworthily incompetent when running businesses and wars. Funny how West Germany prospered while East Germany, under the Russians, stagnated until the Russians were gone.

The Russians fought incompetently in the past and in the present. Russians have always run their economy incompetently, too. So far, Russia is the winner of the least capable country in the world, judging by the number of deaths of its own citizens during war and after. Russia fights its Great Patriotic War, Part 2, Ukraine style! All victory will go to Russia, in the imagination of Russians, but not in reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/russia/usa

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Russia isn't desperate. It can outlast NATO in Ukraine, playing defense to the west's offense, attriting weapons and men on their heavily fortified lines.

The worst that can happen to Russia is if NATO calls off the offensive, which might require Russia to go on the offensive.

Russia will forever brag about its victory in Ukraine. And why not? Russia cannot stop bragging about the Great Patriotic War, where 27 million Russians died but only 7 million Germans. Russia also bragged about its miraculous economic recovery, but Germany has an economy twice as big as Russia’s. Time proved that Germany was the real winner of WWII, compared to Russia. But what country only had 419,400 deaths and an economy now more than 10 times bigger than Russia’s? The USA.

Funny how Japan, conquered by the US, also has an economy many times larger than Russia's. That is because Russians are noteworthily incompetent when running businesses and wars. Funny how West Germany prospered while East Germany, under the Russians, stagnated until the Russians were gone.

The Russians fought incompetently in the past and in the present. Russians have always run their economy incompetently, too. So far, Russia is the winner of the least capable country in the world, judging by the number of deaths of its own citizens during war and after. Russia fights its Great Patriotic War, Part 2, Ukraine style! All victory will go to Russia, in the imagination of Russians, but not in reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/russia/usa

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

More bullshit.
Troll.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 4:51 PM

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More bullshit.
Troll.

Have you never heard the folk wisdom "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" Russia is not rich. Its enemy, Germany, is rich. How did that happen, Signym? While you are preparing your usual response ("Troll") why did Russia fail to capture Kyiv? The short answer to both questions is "Russians are not smart." Russian State TV keeps repeating that everything is going according to plan. The plans are too simple-minded.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Wednesday, June 21, 2023 4:52 PM

Why Putin Will Never Agree to De-escalate

Russia is bracing for a long war.

By Maxim Samorukov, a fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/13/ukraine-counteroffensive-russia-p
utin-war-negotiation-ceasefire-successor
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JUNE 13, 2023, 1:04 PM

As Ukraine accelerates its counteroffensive across several sections of the front, a rational person might conclude that 2023 must surely be the last year of Russia’s war against its neighbor. Russian military resources are depleted, Moscow’s long and bloody winter offensive in the Donbas has yielded meager results, and Russian society longs for the return of prewar stability. Logic dictates that the Kremlin has no better option than to seize any opportunity to cut short its disastrous war, saving face as far as possible by clinging to the shreds of its territorial gains. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken echoed this line of thinking at a press conference this week, when he said that a successful Ukrainian counteroffensive could have the effect of “causing Putin to finally focus on negotiating an end to the war that he started.”

Such calculations, however, are based on rational cost-benefit analysis and underestimate the extent to which this war is the personal project of one man: Russian President Vladimir Putin. He started it single-handedly, based on his own distorted perceptions and disregarding the opinion of Russian society and ruling elites. He has continued to wage it for more than a year, defying all common sense, and there is no indication that he will ever wish to stop it. Indeed, continuing the war brings him numerous political benefits, while stopping it would offer him little but new risks.

There is no doubt that Russian elites and society largely share Putin’s resentment of the West, disregard for Ukrainian statehood, and belief that Russia is a great power entitled to use military force against other states at will. There is little sympathy for the plight of the Ukrainians among Russians of all social standing, and even less appetite for turning Russia into a democratic and responsible member of the international community. Still, many Russians significantly diverge with Putin on how much they are prepared to sacrifice in the standoff with the West.

With all the caveats about conducting opinion polls in authoritarian states, surveys indicate that steadfast popular support for Putin does not preclude the majority of Russians from perceiving their current situation as extremely stressful and welcoming immediate peace talks with Ukraine — whatever that may mean, as it’s unclear how many Russians would support giving up any of the conquered territories. Private conversations among the Russian elites also reveal major discontent with the mounting costs of the war and no understanding of its purpose. Still, the invasion goes on according to Putin’s wishes, and no one in Russia has the means to override his will.

For Putin, the invasion presents an easy way to implement the goals he had struggled for years to realize in peacetime. This has always been Putin’s trademark style of ruling: He believes that direct attempts to steer the leviathan of the Russian state are futile, and instead prefers to force the system to adapt to crises and faits accomplis he himself created.

With the invasion of Ukraine, Putin has honed this managerial approach to perfection. With one decision, he created enough momentum to send Russia hurtling in the direction of developments he has long wanted to see. Take the reorientation of Russia’s foreign trade to make it less dependent on the West, which Putin has aimed for since 2014. Eight years of devising strategies, elaborating policies, and taking various piecemeal steps all achieved less than one year of all-out war. In 2022, the country’s trade turnover with Europe more than halved, while trade with China grew by more than 40 percent and grew 2.6 times with India.

For years, Russia’s businesses and inept bureaucracy struggled to develop the infrastructure needed for coopera

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