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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Thursday, June 22, 2023 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
dragging another red herring across your very own argument again, I see.what does poverty have to do with whether or not we (the collective west) can be trusted to keep our promises?

it doesn't.

sod off, troll.

How can CO2, increasing from 300 parts per million to more than 400 parts per million have such huge Climate effects? One part per million is so tiny that it could not possibly change things. In Russia, corruption and incompetence at the very top have increased by parts per million compared to other countries, but the effect has been disastrous for the economic climate of Russia. The Russian leadership is screaming that it is all a hoax. That things are not bad in Russia, except for what the West did to Russia. Signym, I am not sorry to tell you this but Russia's poverty relative to other countries is not a hoax. The poverty was caused by Russia's corrupt and incompetent leaders, not the West, and conquering Ukraine will not fix what is wrong with Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 22, 2023 4:14 PM

Russian TV Threatens Destruction of London: 'We Will Bury Them'

Mikhail Delyagin, who is a deputy in the Russian parliament, gave his view on relations between Russia and the West.

"As long as the City of London is not destroyed and exists as one of the financial centers of the world — if only a secondary one...this cadaver-like poison is a danger," he said on June 15. He then added, "we will bury them."

Delyagin also said that "capitalism is ending," suggesting his critique was of London as a financial center.

The rhetoric on Solovyov's show regularly includes boasts of Russia's nuclear capabilities and even describing the West in general and sometimes Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky in particular, as "satanic."

This does not necessarily reflect the thinking of the Kremlin, although presenters are regularly given a list of topics and angles on them to discuss, known as "temniki."

Presenters then often interpret these and experiment with different narratives to compete for attention from both the public and the Kremlin.

Last week, Solovyov called for the use of nuclear weapons against NATO countries where equipment and training are helping Ukraine's war effort. He also said that the use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia in the Ukraine conflict was "inevitable."

https://www.newsweek.com/delyagin-missiles-russia-solovyov-1808119

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 22, 2023 4:16 PM

We Will Bury You – Russia's new Sarmat nuclear missiles

President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that Russia's new generation of Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles, which are capable of carrying 10 or more nuclear warheads, would soon be deployed for combat duty.

In a speech to new graduates of military academies, Putin stressed the importance of Russia's "triad" of nuclear forces that can be launched from land, sea or air.

"The most important task here is the development of the nuclear triad, which is a key guarantee of Russia's military security and global stability," he said.

"Already about half of the units and formations of the Strategic Missile Forces are equipped with the latest Yars systems, and the troops are being re-equipped with modern missile systems with the Avangard hypersonic warhead."

The first Sarmat launchers will be put on combat duty "in the near future", Putin said.

Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu told the assembled graduates in the Kremlin's St George's Hall, which commemorates the greatest feats in Russian military history, that the "collective West" was waging a "real war" against Russia.

Putin has repeatedly said since the start of the Ukraine conflict that Russia is ready to use all means, including nuclear weapons, to defend its "territorial integrity". Last year he said he was placing territories seized in Ukraine that Russia now claims as its own under Moscow's nuclear umbrella.

As recently as last week, however, Putin said Ukrainian forces had "no chance" in their current counteroffensive, and Russia had no need to resort to nuclear weapons.

The new Sarmat missile is designed to carry out nuclear strikes on targets thousands of missiles away in the United States or Europe. But its deployment has proceeded slower than planned, as Russia had said in April 2022 that it would be in place by autumn of that year.

Dmitry Rogozin, then head of Russia's space agency, said at that time that the missiles would be deployed with a unit in the Krasnoyarsk region of Siberia, about 3,000 km (1,860 miles) east of Moscow.

Rogozin said they would be placed at the same sites and in the same silos as the Soviet-era Voyevoda missiles they are replacing, hailing the new "super-weapon" as an historic event that would guarantee the security of Russia's children and grandchildren for the next 30-40 years.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/putin-says-russias-
new-sarmat-nuclear-missiles-soon-ready-deployment-2023-06-21
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, June 22, 2023 4:41 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
dragging another red herring across your very own argument again, I see.what does poverty have to do with whether or not we (the collective west) can be trusted to keep our promises?

it doesn't.

sod off, troll.

How can CO2, increasing from 300 parts per million to more than 400 parts per million have such huge Climate effects? One part per million is so tiny that it could not possibly change things. In Russia, corruption and incompetence at the very top have increased by parts per million compared to other countries, but the effect has been disastrous for the economic climate of Russia. The Russian leadership is screaming that it is all a hoax. That things are not bad in Russia, except for what the West did to Russia. Signym, I am not sorry to tell you this but Russia's poverty relative to other countries is not a hoax. The poverty was caused by Russia's corrupt and incompetent leaders, not the West, and conquering Ukraine will not fix what is wrong with Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

And what does his have to do with whether or not the collective west can be trusted to negotiate honestly/

it doesn't.

You're a perect example of the weasels on our government, troll.

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Thursday, June 22, 2023 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And what does his have to do with whether or not the collective west can be trusted to negotiate honestly/

it doesn't.

You're a perect example of the weasels on our government, troll.

The sad and poor Russians who deposited money outside Russia might lose it all despite none of them having any animosity toward Ukraine:

How to Use Russia’s Frozen Assets to Rebuild Ukraine

Conventional institutions won’t be able to handle reparations.

by Azeem Ibrahim, June 21, 2023, 12:02 PM

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/21/russian-frozen-assets-ukraine-rec
onstruction
/

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has brought with it atrocities on a scale not seen in Europe since World War II. Critical civilian infrastructure including schools, hospitals, and homes have been intentionally targeted. The destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam serves as the most recent reminder of a deliberate, callous, and systematic dismantling of the country.

Ukraine lost 29 percent of its GDP in 2022 — 13 million citizens have been displaced. Reconstruction costs are running over $400 billion — not including those areas to the south and east of the Dnipro occupied by Russia.

In November 2022, the United Nations formally acknowledged that Russia must bear the legal repercussions of its internationally wrongful actions, including making reparations for damages inflicted upon Ukraine and her people. This recognition also underscored the urgency for an international mechanism to facilitate this compensation.

But the stark reality is that an unrepentant Russia is bent on inflicting as much damage on Ukraine as possible and evading its international obligations. While Russia may well lose the war, it is unlikely to lose in the kind of total fashion that made extracting reparations from, for instance, Germany after the world wars possible. Russia has veto power at its disposal to obstruct conventional avenues of securing reparations through some international institutions. Progress on this, however, has been made by scholars at the New Lines Institute. The result is an innovative proposal that makes full use of the latent legal power nation-states hold through their domestic laws to do more than just freeze Russian state assets. Our report shows how these assets can be legally transferred to Ukraine for use in reconstruction efforts.

The Multilateral Asset Transfer proposal builds on past research, including the Multilateral Action Model on Reparations (MAMOR), to shed light on the legal potency of existing national law, empowering countries to go beyond the mere freezing of Russian assets. Our report shows how countries can instead legally take a step further and transfer the roughly $350 billion in Russian assets to Ukrainian escrow accounts in central banks using legal entitlements under the law of countermeasures.
https://newlinesinstitute.org/ukraine/multilateral-action-model-on-rep
arations
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https://newlinesinstitute.org/ukraine/multilateral-framework-for-trans
ferring-state-assets
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A distinctive feature of this model is its ability to legally function without being trapped in international institutions. The model sidesteps Russia’s United Nations Security Council veto power by using only seized and frozen Russian assets, a method already provided for in U.S. law. This innovative approach could accelerate Ukraine’s economic recovery and societal rebuilding, eliminating the waiting game usually associated with traditional reparation models.

The Multilateral Asset Transfer proposal’s second great strength lies in its simplicity and adaptability — it can be molded to the legal context of each nation adopting it, enabling a unified yet flexible approach to enforcing accountability. By design, this proposal leads to the creation of a global fund that will serve as a reservoir for these assets, effectively and efficiently making resources available for reconstruction to begin as early as this year.

The result will be a global fund securing the necessary finances for a war-

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Friday, June 23, 2023 12:04 AM

Oh yes, pity the poor Russian oligarchs who parasitized Russia and took their gains out of Russia.

But what does this have to do with whether we, the collective west, can be counted on to reach agreement honestly and keep up our end of the bargain? Bc, yanno, uness that happens, Russia will not negotiate with us again. They've learned their lesson, many times over!

So unless something incredible happens ... like, the whole neocon/security state/media cabal is somewhow swept from power, or NATO/USA makes real, on-the-ground concessions like removing missile installations and bases from Russia's border... expect Russia to keep fighting until they've reached their objectives satsifactorily.


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Friday, June 23, 2023 12:16 AM

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KIEV AIMS TO LOWER EXPECTATIONS
Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive has been underway for over two weeks, and Kiev has little to show for the loss of life and military equipment expended the in the operations. On Monday, a Ukrainian military official attempted to lower expectations for the counteroffensive. In Washington, members of Congress say future support Kiev depends on regaining territory.

In an interview with the Czech Present Time TV station Ukraine’s Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov downplayed how much territory Kiev will retake in the counteroffensive. “The Russians had the opportunity to prepare. There is an incredible density of minefields,” he said. “Our officers, our commanders are maneuvering, look for opportunities, move carefully. I suggest not pushing them, not pushing them, they are doing their job. And they will do it.”

While Reznikov argued Kiev’s attempt to preserve its soldiers’ lives is slowing the operations, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Gen. Mark Milley, believes Ukraine will sustain massive losses during the counteroffensive. “This is a very difficult fight. It’s a very violent fight, and it will likely take considerable time and at high cost,” he said.

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Ukraine’s Deputy Defense Minister, Hanna Maliar, acknowledged there was extensive fighting along the frontlines and Russian forces were on the offensive in some areas. “In the south, battles are currently taking place in the directions where Ukrainian soldiers are advancing, and the enemy is on the defensive,” she posted on Telegram. “At the same time, we have directions where, on the contrary, the enemy is advancing, and we are on the defensive. For example, Kupiansk and Lyman.”

Washington has been helping Kiev plan the counteroffensive since the Winter. The US and other NATO countries pour weapons into Ukraine for the operations. So far, Ukraine has failed to retake territory.


MORE AT https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/kiev-aims-to-lower-expectations-
for-counteroffensive
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Friday, June 23, 2023 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yes, pity the poor Russian oligarchs who parasitized Russia and took their gains out of Russia.

But what does this have to do with whether we, the collective west, can be counted on to reach agreement honestly and keep up our end of the bargain? Bc, yanno, uness that happens, Russia will not negotiate with us again. They've learned their lesson, many times over!

So unless something incredible happens ... like, the whole neocon/security state/media cabal is somewhow swept from power, or NATO/USA makes real, on-the-ground concessions like removing missile installations and bases from Russia's border... expect Russia to keep fighting until they've reached their objectives satsifactorily.

Russian oligarchs are inseparable from Putin. He bribes them with hundreds of billions of US dollars per year. They are his people because of the bribes.

How Putin Conquered Russia's Oligarchy
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/29/1088886554/how-putin-con
quered-russias-oligarchy


The Ukraine war is Putin's hobby in his declining years. He won't admit that he arbitrarily and capriciously decided to go to war much like Stalin did with Finland. The sneaking little weasels running Russia have always given fake reasons for their international wars because the truth makes them look foolish. (Stalin's adventure into Finland convinced Hitler that Russia had a weak army. If Stalin hadn't invaded Finland, Hitler won't have invaded Russia. There would not have been a Great Patriotic War. Stalin was foolish. Putin is foolish, convincing the world Russia has a weak army.)

And Putin can't say the truth about why Russians are poorer than Europeans. He gives fake reasons for the same reason he invades, the true reasons make him look foolish.

Why Russia is poor despite natural resources
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+is+russia+poor+despite+natural+res
ources


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 23, 2023 4:31 AM

Why do no decent people defend the Russians? This is why:

Putin Ally Doubles Down on Call to Use Nukes After Strike on Crimean Bridge
By Jon Jackson On 6/22/23 at 2:48 PM EDT

Vladimir Solovyov, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and a well-known propagandist, addressed reports that Ukrainian missiles damaged a bridge in Crimea by calling on Russia to "batter" Ukraine with tactical nuclear weapons.

Russia's military seized the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in 2014, and strikes on the region have escalated in recent months. On Thursday, Russian officials said Ukraine's forces had blown a hole in the Chonhar bridge, which connects Russian-occupied parts of the Kherson region with Moscow-annexed Crimea.

Ukrainian authorities did not directly claim responsibility for the attack, but Ukrainian military spokeswoman Natalia Humeniuk commented on national TV about the goal of disrupting Russia's logistics.

The bridge attack resulted in Solovyov returning to a familiar theme. Throughout the war that Putin began in February 2022, Solovyov has repeatedly called for Russia to use tactical nukes in the war, and on Thursday he said the strike in Crimea is another example of why Russia should use such weapons.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-doubles-down-call-use-nukes-strike
-crimean-bridge-1808502


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Friday, June 23, 2023 5:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh yes, pity the poor Russian oligarchs who parasitized Russia and took their gains out of Russia.

But what does this have to do with whether we, the collective west, can be counted on to reach agreement honestly and keep up our end of the bargain? Bc, yanno, uness that happens, Russia will not negotiate with us again. They've learned their lesson, many times over!






Simple, because Russia said it would not invade Ukraine if they gave up their nukes, so they did. Russia invaded, Liars.

We said if they gave up their nukes and were attacked we would help, which we are. Honest, see comrade, simple.

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