Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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A new poll shows dismal support for Putin’s use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine – a possibility Putin almost immediately reinforced he is considering.
The polling center – considered the most accurate for insights regarding the public reaction to the Kremlin’s increasingly autocratic governance – left open-ended the main question it posed to respondents, who are typically wary of publicly criticizing Putin’s regime.
“Some believe that in order to win in Ukraine Russia must use nuclear weapons, others believe that it is impossible to use nuclear weapons under any circumstances,” it posed, according to a translation. “And which of these points of view do you most adhere to?”
Putin himself, however, expressed on Friday that he remains undeterred by any opposition to the use of any weapons in his arsenals.
“The use of extreme means is possible if there is a threat to Russian statehood. And in this case, of course, we will use all the forces and means at the disposal of the Russian state,” Putin said at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum in response to a question about nuclear weapons use.
And, predictably, he referenced that the U.S. is the only nuclear-armed country to have employed them in battle.
“Such a precedent has been created – created by the United States,” he said, according to a translation.
Western officials and analysts have fretted in recent months about whether to take seriously Putin’s increasingly aggressive nuclear saber-rattling. He has ordered the deployment of strategic nuclear weapons to Belarus, one of its sole remaining loyal post-Soviet allies and has engaged in other provocative behavior, such as deploying ships armed with hypersonic missiles – which U.S. analysts believe could carry a nuclear warhead – into the Atlantic.
Less catastrophic, but equally perilous for Ukraine, others fear that the mere threats of using nuclear weapons could amount to enough to force Kyiv’s allies in Europe to begin backing away from staunch support for its military, particularly as it escalates its spring offensive.
Other analysts tell U.S. News the possibility Putin would use nuclear weapons is remote, but not impossible.
“The likelihood of Russia choosing – or Putin choosing – to use nuclear weapons directly against the West is astronomically low. It should not even be seriously considered at this stage,” Katherine Lawlor, senior intelligence analyst at the independent Institute for the Study of War, which has fastidiously tracked Russia’s military movements since it first invaded Ukraine, said in February.
“Putin would love it if Western leaders believed that he might. He is many things, but he is not suicidal,” Lawlor said. She adds that Putin ultimately does not want war with NATO – particularly given the current state of the Russian army. “He couldn’t even win a conventional war in Ukraine.”
Lawlor adds these circumstances could change if Russia feels it is squarely in a defensive position and needs to prevent “all-out disaster” – a scenario with renewed significance in light of Ukraine’s offensive.
“You have to think about the human response to nuclear use,” she said, describing the effect on a Ukrainian soldier who witnesses a rising mushroom cloud several miles away toward the front lines. “The Russians may assume it would have a devastating effect on the morale of the surviving Ukrainian forces.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-06-16/russians-
dont-want-putin-to-use-nuclear-weapons-in-ukraine
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Ukraine's 'counteroffenive' must not be going well, eh THUGR?
You just tried to bury this thread by resurrecting at least six... SIX!... pointless necroposts in a row.
I see a whole lot of 'copium' going on. 
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ukraine's 'counteroffensive' must not be going well, eh THUGR?
You just tried to bury this thread by resurrecting at least six... SIX!... pointless necroposts in a row.
I see a whole lot of 'copium' going on.
Nope, they're still probing. Most of what they have is still in the rears.
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Oh, I see, 'Probing' is what they're calling it.
Remember what I posted? That if a smallish number of troops gets slaughtered they'll call it 'probing', if a larger number of troops gets massacred they'll call it 'reconnaissance in force' and if an even larger force gets creamed they'll call it 'shaping the battlefield'?
With about 7000 men killed and wounded and fifteen pct* of their fancy new western toys taken out of action, that's a mighty expensive 'probe'. If they keep 'probing' like that, seven more tries and they'll have no army left. Literally.
*that's why Zelensky is even now going around Europe and the world begging for more toys.
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EVERYONE knows that Ukraine's 'counteroffensive' has begun. Kiev refusing to call it doesn't fool anyone; after all they still refuse to acknowledge they lost Bakhmut.
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Ukraine’s counteroffensive is now underway. Here’s what’s happened so far
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/17/europe/ukraine-counteroffensive-explain
ed-hnk-intl/index.html
Ukraine’s counteroffensive begins: What do we know so far?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/13/ukraines-counteroffensive-beg
ins-what-do-we-know-so-far
Ukraine's Counteroffensive Is Underway. How It's Going Isn't Clear
https://time.com/6287830/ukraine-counteroffensive-slow-progress/
And yes, Kiev does have more toys in the rear (unless Russia destroys them with distance weapons, that is.) But even Milley has downgraded expectations for what EVERYONE now recognizes is Ukraine's long-awaited 'couteroffensive':
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Ukraine’s fight a ‘marathon’ not a ‘sprint,’ Secretary of Defense says
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2023/06/15/ukraines-f
ight-a-marathon-not-a-sprint-secretary-of-defense-says/
USA military not impressed with Ukraine's launching attacks in five different directions, losing lots of donated western weapns in the process. Kiev needs to change tactics.
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Putin Ally Says Nuclear Weapons 'Must' Be Used to Strike NATO Countries
By Andrew Stanton On 6/17/23 at 12:12 PM EDT
"The approach is very simple. I think tactical nuclear weapons will be used, and it is inevitable. I believe that tactical nuclear weapons must be used on the crossings over the Dnieper, on entry points of railroad transport from Western countries which supply arms, on Boryspil," he said.
Solovyov continued to say that Russia should use nuclear weapons against places where Western equipment is being stored to be used by Ukrainian soldiers in countries such as Poland, Germany and Slovakia, as well as places where Ukrainians are being trained—even if those areas are in NATO countries.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-says-nuclear-weapons-must-used-str
ike-nato-countries-1807440
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Russian State TV Guest Says Country Invaded Ukraine To Avoid War
By James Bickerton On 6/17/23 at 7:59 AM EDT
"We were forced to launch this special military operation when the leadership of the country realized that everything was going to happen by June 22.
"That a powerful army would be prepared, in fact, an army of Ukrainian zombies, slaves, that would invade here and there would be a big war. In order not to have this big war they had to start this special military operation."
Markov didn't provide any evidence that Ukraine had been planning to invade Russia, a view almost universally regarded as ludicrous by international relations experts.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-guest-invaded-ukraine-avoid-
war-1807421
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Putin: I can destroy any building in Kyiv city centre, but I won't. Why? I will not say
Putin assures that he can "destroy any building in the centre of Kyiv" without nuclear weapons, but does not do this "for a number of reasons"; yet, the Russian dictator refused to reveal those reasons.
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Well, yes he can. Russia's missiles are accurate enough, and powerful enough. His destruction of Kiev's GRU building proves exactly that.
Why won't he? Well, one possible answer that makes sense is bc he has human assets embedded in Kiev's decision-making centers and he doesn't want to (literally) burn them bc the intel.they provide is very valuable. If that's the case, what do you expect him to say? "I won't destroy your buildings because I have assets embedded there"?
I can guess. Maybe you can't.
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Republican senator mentions nuclear strikes when asked about possible US action against Russia (2021)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/roger-wi
cker-ukraine-russia-nuclear-b1971691.html
President Zelensky Suggests Ukraine May Pursue Nuclear Weapons To Counter Russia, Putin Responds (2022)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/president-zelensky-suggests-ukraine-may
-pursue-nuclear-weapons-to-counter-russia-putin-responds
Senior fellow at major think-tank American Enterprise Institute wants to give tactical nukes to Ukraine
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Can Biden Deter a Russia Nuclear Attack on Ukraine? Yes, if He Gives Ukraine Tactical Nukes (June 12, 2023)
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/can-biden-deter-a-russia-nuclear-attack-on-
ukraine-yes-if-he-gives-ukraine-tactical-nukes/
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Quote:If Putin was a useful man, he would not be following the path that Kim Jong Un of North Korea follows in making NK citizens poor compared to South Koreans. Instead, Putin would be following the Canadian path which made Canadian citizens richer than United States citizens. See below, where the median Canadian is richer than the median American. If Canada can do it, Russia could do it better, but Putin's path is definitely not helping Russian citizens.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, yes he can. Russia's missiles are accurate enough, and powerful enough. His destruction of Kiev's GRU building proves exactly that.
Why won't he? Well, one possible answer that makes sense is bc he has human assets embedded in Kiev's decision-making centers and he doesn't want to (literally) burn them bc the intel.they provide is very valuable. If that's the case, what do you expect him to say? "I won't destroy your buildings because I have assets embedded there"?
I can guess. Maybe you can't.
List of Countries by Median wealth per adult, in US dollars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
Iceland $375,735
Luxembourg $350,271
Australia $273,903
Belgium $267,887
New Zealand $231,257
Hong Kong $202,376
Denmark $171,175
Switzerland $168,084
Canada $151,248
Netherlands $142,994
United Kingdom $141,552
France $139,169
Norway $132,482
Japan $119,999
Taiwan $113,938
Italy $112,138
Spain $104,163
Qatar $100,014
Malta $97,524
Sweden $95,051
United States $93,271
South Korea $93,141
Singapore $93,133
Russia $6,919
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