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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 12:34 AM

Russian President Vladimir Putin will threaten strikes against NATO member nations over their support for Ukraine, predicted Russia Today (RT) editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan.

Many allies have offered Kyiv billions of dollars in military aid and are credited with helping turn the tide of the war in favor of the Ukrainians. Russia has reacted with anger to this aid, accusing NATO of crossing red lines by providing Ukraine with weapons.

Simonyan said in a new interview that she believes Putin will soon give NATO an "ultimatum" over its aid to Ukraine, adding that the West giving the war-torn country weapons for free "constitutes participation in the war."

"One morning we'll wake up to find out that last night Vladimir Putin has declared an ultimatum, saying that if F-16 jets taking off from the airfields of such countries continue striking Russian territory — if such and such weapons, shipped from the ports of such and such countries, continue being supplied, then we will consider these airfields and these ports legitimate war targets," Simonyan said.

Simonyan added that Russia also has the right to declare, with no ultimatum, that NATO countries are legitimate targets. But she cast doubt that Putin would take that route, saying she does not "see another option" for how the spat over Ukrainian aid could possibly end.

Simonyan and other Russian state TV figures have made headlines for previous threats against Ukraine and the West. Last April, the RT editor-in-chief floated the idea of "complete destruction" of Ukraine and "a nuclear strike."

Simonayn's RT, along with other Russian state media, has largely towed the Kremlin line on the Russia-Ukraine war after the State Duma cracked down on dissent.

United Kingdom Foreign Secretary James Cleverly recently told reporters that Ukraine "has the right to project force beyond its borders to undermine Russia's ability to project force into Ukraine itself." His remarks drew a response from Russia, with former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev saying that British officials are now a "legitimate military target" for Russia.

The United States, however, has said it does not condone strikes within Russia's borders.

"We have said this before, we do not support attacks inside of Russia. We've been very clear about that," White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters last month.

More at https://www.newsweek.com/putin-will-threaten-strikes-against-nato-coun
tries-russian-tv-chief-warns-1805762


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 3:51 AM


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Troll!
Yanno, that decade of lawlessness and bottomless decadence and privation, when Russia's GDP fell by half and the lifespan of Russian men dropped to fifty, as they drank themselves to death in utter hoplessness?
That

THUGR: Sig, this video contradicts your claim that Russia suffered due to capitalism.

I didn't bother to watch the video bc the guy is an idiot.

The economic collapse of Russia under Yeltsin is WIDELY KNOWN by pretty much everyone. Except you, and the idiot you keep citing.



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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 5:56 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I didn't bother to watch the video bc the guy is an idiot.

The economic collapse of Russia under Yeltsin is WIDELY KNOWN by pretty much everyone. Except you, and the idiot you keep citing.

Russia's economic fall was guided by Russia's leaders, not the West's leaders. The fall was Russia's failure, not the West's.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was Putin's idea. If the invasion fails, the failure is Putin's decision, not a Russian failure caused by the West. I know that Putin keeps blaming everybody who sends weapons to Ukraine for Russia's difficulties, but what the hell did he think would happen? That the West would just let him cut off a chunk of a European country and attach it to Russia? All of Europe is aware that Russia has cut off chunks of other European countries in the past. Finland for one example. Russia has even gobbled up entire Baltic countries.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 8:29 AM


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How 'shock therapy' created Russian oligarchs and paved the path for Putin

But Yeltsin and his allies believed that time was not on their side. An attempted coup in August 1991 by Soviet hardliners against the reformers almost derailed the whole project. Entrenched Soviet industrialists and party insiders wanted a return to the old order. The Yeltsin administration decided that a program known as "shock therapy" — rapidly unleashing market forces — was the way to electrocute the old Soviet system and jolt Russia into embracing capitalism.

American advisors and global creditors, especially the International Monetary Fund, played a notable role advocating for shock therapy. But some influential shock therapists, like the economist Jeffrey Sachs, then at Harvard, believed such a radical program needed support. He proposed the United States and multilateral development agencies help Russian reformers succeed with a $30 billion aid package, akin to what America had provided Europe after WWII with the Marshall Plan. Sachs also called for the cancellation of Russia's debts. But these ideas were rejected by American leaders.

President Yeltsin delivered the first big shock to the Russian economy when he lifted price controls in December 1991. As the Soviet economy collapsed, however, the policy ended up unleashing hyperinflation. By 1994, consumer prices in Russia would skyrocket to almost 2000 times what they had been in 1990. That candy bar that had cost $1 now cost $2000. Hyperinflation devastated ordinary Russians.

Meanwhile, Chubais was tasked with overseeing mass privatization. That entailed transforming a nation whose almost entire economy consisted of state-controlled industries — manufacturing plants, oil refineries, mines, media outlets, biscuit factories, you name it — into private enterprises. It was, to date, surely the biggest transfer of state assets to private owners in world history.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/22/1087654279/how-shock-the
rapy-created-russian-oligarchs-and-paved-the-path-for-putin



Hey! It's from NPR: A source you know and trust!

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 9:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Hey! It's from NPR: A source you know and trust!

Alternatively, Boris Yeltsin was a drunken pig too stupid to understand the business advice he was given. Con-men told Yeltsin to destroy Russia by giving away Russian government property for less than one percent of what it was worth. Yeltsin couldn't do the back of an envelope financial arithmetic to understand he was being cheated. Yeltsin should have had somebody loyal to Russia do the arithmetic for him. That is all on Yeltsin.

Even worse, Yeltsin could not understand how inflation works, but he is not alone. Over at the inflation thread, 6ix is absolutely convinced that Biden controls prices, not the sellers. The result is high inflation because sellers keep raising prices until they have taken ALL the money that the dumbest Americans have. (Prices are about 100 times higher than prices were 100 years ago. That kind of long-term inflation, rather than monthly increases.) In Russia, the government actually does control prices in ways Biden could never do. When Yeltsin released control of prices, sellers raised prices, just like sellers obviously do in America, until they had taken ALL the money that the dumbest Russians have.

Likewise, Putin decided he wanted Ukraine and his Yes Men said "Yes, Your Highness! You are correct that the EU leaders are weaklings and will never send weapons to Ukraine for fear that you will cut off their natural gas. You are very wise and handsome, Your Highness!" Putin should not surround himself with Yes Men who know nothing. That mistake is all on Putin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 5:10 PM

The Ukrainian Cities Obliterated In Russia's Self-Proclaimed 'Liberation'
June 11, 2023 20:23 GMT

By Donbas.Realities, Svitlana Kuzmenko, Carl Schreck

Russia has delivered multiple public justifications for the full-scale invasion of Ukraine that President Vladimir Putin launched in February 2022, among them what it has called the "liberation" of Ukraine's eastern Donbas region, which Moscow had seized partial control of in 2014.

But Russia's all-out war on Ukraine has decimated multiple cities and towns targeted in Moscow's ostensible "liberation" campaign.

A new project by Donbas.Realities, a regional news outlet of RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service, looks at the fate of five towns and cities in eastern Ukraine following Russia’s full-scale invasion, including one that was not only nearly completely destroyed by Russian artillery and bombs, but also literally wiped from the map by Russian-installed occupying administrators.

More at https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-destroyed-cities-russia-war/32454453.h
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 5:12 PM

Social media video footage circulated on June 12 reportedly shows Russian barrier troops – specialized units that threaten to shoot their own retreating personnel or compel offensives – shooting Russian forces that abandoned their positions somewhere in Ukraine.[54] ISW is unable to confirm whether the footage is authentic at this time. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense reported in November 2022 that Russian forces in Ukraine probably started deploying “barrier troops” and “blocking units” to Ukraine and that Russian generals likely want their subordinate commanders to shoot deserters, including possibly authorizing personnel kill their own deserting servicemen.[55]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-12-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 9:56 PM

Reuters saw at least three dead Russian soldiers lying in the street, including one whose fly-blown body lay by an abandoned Russian military vehicle. Artem, a member of a Ukrainian territorial defence unit, who gave no surname said the advancing Ukrainian troops had watched from a drone as Russians initially tried to evacuate their comrade, only to dump him where he lay and flee.

It was the first independent confirmation of Ukraine's advance in the area, roughly 90 km southwest of the city of Donetsk . . . No surprise that Russians leave Russians behind to die. They have been abandoning tens of millions of Russians to death since before the Great Patriotic War. Such a fine bunch of people. So loyal, trustworthy, and caring.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ceding-ground-ukraine-russia-kill
s-civilians-apartment-block-strike-2023-06-13
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:03 PM

lol

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2023 6:00 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

The CIA warned Ukraine not to bomb the Nord Stream pipeline

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency warned the Ukrainian government not to attack the Nord Stream gas pipelines last summer after it obtained detailed information about a Ukrainian plot to destroy a main energy connection between Russia and Europe, officials familiar with the exchange said.

The message, delivered by CIA officials in June, followed a tip the CIA received from the military intelligence service of the Netherlands, these officials said.

....The CIA then received information that Ukraine had called off the original plan, according to a U.S. official....At a meeting with a European counterpart in October [after the bombing], CIA Director William Burns told his counterpart that available evidence didn’t point to Russia. When asked if it was Ukraine, he said, “I hope not,” according to an official present at the meeting.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-warned-ukraine-not-to-attack-nord-str
eam-7777939b


The CIA thought Ukraine had given up on the plan after the warning, but apparently they only delayed it. This was certainly ballsy behavior from a country that desperately needed billions of dollars in military aid from the US for its war with Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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