Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by THG:
Truth vs lies TWO. The trolls here ignore truth and promote lies. On a sunny day they sat it’s raining. There is not a back and forth of ideas going on. There are a very few of us posting what is actually going on, and those like JSF Jack and Signym who troll the truth.
I saw a clip of a top Russian diplomat with the poor ME’s this morning. He claimed Russia never attacked anybody, ever. Russia has a long history of attacking others, but he said it nonetheless. Lies travel faster than the truth, but the truth wins out.
Oh yeah? I saw a clip where Robert Downey Jr. played Doc Brown in Back to the Future. It doesn't mean that it happened.
Deep Fakes work because at least half the country is below 100 IQ and a huge overlap of them were never taught to think critically.
I'm talking at one of these NPCs right now.
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Quote:Is it hate speech to repeatedly reference the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, don't you ever get tired of repeating hate speech and propaganda,?
Or do you get your rocks off when you're officially allowed to spew your favorite emotion, which is hate?
Signym, I am a little curious about what you think happened to 62 million political opponents who were never again seen alive once they fell into the hands of the Russians. The Ukrainians are aware of that political history, which is why they are not surrendering to the Russians.
Buy the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917 from Amazon:
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Quote:Signym, who is guilty in Russia of killing 62 million over past political disputes?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's hate speech when you assign collective guilt and want to punish people who aren't guilty. Also, racism. If you don't accept the term racism, then extreme prejudice.
Average Ukrainians know these killings happened. Average Ukrainians aren't amateur lawyers and philosophers who carefully distribute the guilt for killing to various Russians according to culpability. Average Ukrainians don't want any Russians, no matter who they are or what their history is, killing Ukrainians over a political dispute about the border between Russia and Ukraine. That is why Ukrainian policy is to not surrender. Some do run away to the EU. Some fight. Very few surrender.
Meanwhile, somebody in Russia keeps threatening to nuke the US because of a political dispute over the border between Russia and Ukraine. The Russian narrative is that any one of a wide range of events that somebody in Russia dislikes will ensure “guaranteed escalation to the Third World War”. If somebody in Russia does nuke the US, the retaliatory guilt will indiscriminately spread out to millions of Russians who made no big decisions other than to not emigrate.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/opinions/russia-ukraine-us-patriot-miss
ile-defense-giles/index.html
Quote:Signym, the Russians better tell your version of history to the Ukrainians and see if they can convince the Ukrainians that Russians didn’t kill 62 million in past political disputes and Russians won’t kill millions of Ukrainians in future political disputes over the location of the Russian/Ukrainian borders. If the Russians are convincing enough and can successfully sell their version of history to the world then the Ukrainians will surrender to the Russians.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's hate speech when you assign collective guilt and want to punish people who aren't guilty. Also, racism. If you don't accept the term racism, then extreme prejudice.
SECOND: Signym, who is guilty in Russia of killing 62 million over past political disputes?
NOBODY ALIVE TODAY.
NOT PUTIN. NOT LAVROV. NOT SHOIGU. NOT SURAVIKIN.
Or, didn't you notice that FACT?
Punishing today's Russians for someting that happened nearly a century ago (or longer!) makes as much sense as punishing white, brown, yellow, and red taxpayers today for slavery that happened over 200 years ago. You can blame and punish people for what they themselves have done wrong, but not for the sins of their ancestors.
That's one form of collective punishment, and it's considered a war cime and crime against humanity.
THUGR: You're unbelievably stupid.
By the way, if the Ukrainians want to surrender to the Russians the US will be as helpless to stop them just as the US was helpless to stop the Afghans from surrendering to the Taliban in 2021. All the US military aid to Afghanistan was totally ineffective once the Afghans gave up on the fight. All the US military aid to Ukraine w
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You're the ones getting Ukrainians killed.
$68 Billion sent over there so far, and another $45 set to go after the Democrats pass the Spending Bill.
Your tax dollars at work. Killing Ukrainians.
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Quote:By the way, if the Ukrainians want to surrender to the Russians the US will be as helpless to stop them just as the US was helpless to stop the Afghans from surrendering to the Taliban in 2021. All the US military aid to Afghanistan was totally ineffective once the Afghans gave up on the fight. All the US military aid to Ukraine will be totally ineffective once the Ukrainians give up. All it will take is Russians selling their version of history to Ukrainians.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're the ones getting Ukrainians killed.
$68 Billion sent over there so far, and another $45 set to go after the Democrats pass the Spending Bill.
Your tax dollars at work. Killing Ukrainians.
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Russian citizens are "losing faith in Putin's propaganda narratives," according to a recent survey conducted by The Anti-Corruption Foundation (ACF), a Moscow-based non-profit group founded by imprisoned opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
Despite the current difficulties in polling the Russian public — which is threatened with fines and imprisonment in case of dissent or criticism of the country's military — the group claims that their surveys show that, ten months into the conflict, Russians are no longer buying into the Kremlin's idea that the country's war in Ukraine is going well.
Leonid Volkov, Navalny's chief of staff and chairman of the ACF, published the results of two recent surveys on Twitter conducted by the group in October and November, showing that the number of Russian citizens who believe that the course of the Kremlin's "military operation" in Ukraine is "rather successful" dropped from 23 percent to 14 percent in a month.
The number of Russians who believe the war to be "rather unsuccessful" so far grew from 10 to 14 percent from October to November. A vast majority of respondents — as many as 36 percent in October and 41 percent in November — chose to skip the question, while many others said they were "not sure" or declared it was "too early to judge."
"The majority is not yet ready to call it a failure, they are trying to avoid the uncomfortable truth ('too early to judge', 'not sure', 'prefer not to answer'), but what does it actually mean?" wrote Volkov.
"Kremlin's powerful propaganda machine works 24/7 to explain that the war is going successfully, according to Putin's wise plans. And they are clearly failing to sell this narrative. Only 1/7 of the respondents are still buying it!" he said.
"Does it mean that the other 6/7 are now Putin's enemies? Supporters of Navalny? Of course not! But they are finally not ready to blindly buy whatever Kremlin is trying to sell them. They are ready to listen to other stories!" he continued, adding that this is a crucial time to talk to the Russian public and offer them a different source of information.
"Putin's propaganda has reached the limit of its effectiveness," wrote Volkov. "It is enormously important to keep talking to Russians who are looking for alternative narratives."
As for the reason why the Russian public has lost faith in the Kremlin's propaganda, the ACF believes it has to do with the military draft ordered by President Vladimir Putin on September 21, when Russian troops were quickly losing territory in Ukraine.
Some 64 percent of respondents to the ACF survey in October said they were about to be mobilized, while 60 percent said so in November. Volkov thinks that being mobilized made these citizens "aware of what's actually going on" and led them to lose faith in that image of stability that the Kremlin has been promoting for itself for decades.
The number of respondents believing in the superiority of the Russian army has also dropped in recent months. According to Volkov, 35 percent of respondents to an August survey believed the quality of the Russian army to be above average, while in November only 20 percent of respondents believed the Moscow troops to be formed by "highly trained soldiers" armed with "advanced equipment."
Volkov admitted that the surveys must be approached cautiously, as responses from participants have dropped since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine on February 24.
"People are scared. The response rate has dropped. Pollsters should expect respondents to give 'socially acceptable' answers," Volkov said.
"There has to be a huge systematic error in our surveys, as we talk only to those who don't hang up when a pollster calls them from an unknown number. But we do it every month. And the systematic error should be the same every month. S
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Originally posted by second:Quote:By the way, if the Ukrainians want to surrender to the Russians the US will be as helpless to stop them just as the US was helpless to stop the Afghans from surrendering to the Taliban in 2021. All the US military aid to Afghanistan was totally ineffective once the Afghans gave up on the fight. All the US military aid to Ukraine will be totally ineffective once the Ukrainians give up. All it will take is Russians selling their version of history to Ukrainians.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're the ones getting Ukrainians killed.
$68 Billion sent over there so far, and another $45 set to go after the Democrats pass the Spending Bill.
Your tax dollars at work. Killing Ukrainians.
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Nah. They're more propagandized than you are at this point, and they've got crossdressing, child rapist, Obama/CIA plant Z running the show over there since 2014 and helping funnel taxpayer dollars to Rayethon and friends and a good deal of both Democrat and Republican politicians making bank along the way.
The Ukrainians aren't done dying until the corrupt US politicians say they're done dying.
The only reason that Hunter isn't still making $60k per month working in Ukraine is because he couldn't keep his crack smoking and whoring pictures off the internet AND against all odds, his swiss-cheesed brained Daddy somehow became the front-runner in the 2020 primary.
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Let me state this VERY clearly for idiot Ted and everybody else.
I have ZERO problems with Putin. I have ZERO problems with Russia or Russians.
I am not trolling this issue. The state of Russia and the Russian people have my FULL backing in this war by proxy.
The only other people I have sympathy for here are the Ukrainian citizens who are being maimed, killed and mindfucked by the propaganda machine while fighting a war that isn't theirs to fight.
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Quote:Jane Fonda damaged her reputation by supporting North Vietnam. 6ix, you don't have any reputation worth damaging, but your statement would damage it if you did have one.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let me state this VERY clearly for idiot Ted and everybody else.
I have ZERO problems with Putin. I have ZERO problems with Russia or Russians.
I am not trolling this issue. The state of Russia and the Russian people have my FULL backing in this war by proxy.
The only other people I have sympathy for here are the Ukrainian citizens who are being maimed, killed and mindfucked by the propaganda machine while fighting a war that isn't theirs to fight.
The Complicated Story Behind Jane Fonda's 'Hanoi Jane' Nickname
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ne-fonda-hanoi-jane-nickname/
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Vladimir Putin believes Russia is not to blame for the war in Ukraine, adding both countries are "sharing a tragedy".
During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation".
He claimed the conflict was "the result of the policy of third countries".
During his address President Putin claimed the West had "brainwashed" post-Soviet republics, starting with Ukraine.
He said: "For years, we tried to build good-neighbourly relations with Ukraine, offering loans and cheap energy, but it did not work."
In his address President Putin continued: "There's nothing to accuse us of. We've always seen Ukrainians as a brotherly people and I still think so."
"What's happening now is a tragedy, but it's not our fault."
The address came as Ukrainian leader Volodmyr Zelensky arrived in Washington for his first visit outside of Ukraine in 10 months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64055018
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SECOND: YOU keep committing the same error, and flogging the same hate speech and, even after explanation, you STILL don't get it?? You're as stupid as THUGR!
"Russians" may have killed people- and BTW I don't accept the figures- but by that wasn't Putin.
"Germans" genocided 6 million Jews and other "undesirables" and killed 26 million Russians. Should Russia hate today's Germans for what some long-dead Getmans did 70+ years ago?
England ran roughshod over it's colonies, killing millions in the process of colonization, and leading to China's Hundred Years of Shame. Should Chinese hate modern Brits for what ended 70 years ago?
Should blacks hate whites because of slavery (thanks, BTW, to a lot of whites who got killed fighting on the Union side)?
Should we hate all Muslims because of what some Saudi (and USA)- fufunded radical Wahhabis do?
You, and everyone, should be responding that what TODAY'S INDIVIDUALS AND NATIONS DO, not to what some group or category or nation did in the past.
If blacks hate whites, it should be focused on TODAY'S prejudice, and on individuals and institutions who display that prejudice, not because of something that happened 200 years ago for which NOBODY TODAY is responsible.
If the world hates the USA for its long record of invading and destroying other nations and peoples, it should be focused on what people living TODAY, and extant institutions are doing TODAY, not because of what "somebody" did 100 years ago.
And BTW, the reason why I keep bringing up our genocidal history is not to blame people today for what happened before they were even born, or to make them feel guilty, but simply to provide an example and lesson to guide future behavior.
You flinging "Russian crimes" around and blaming today's Russians for long- ago crimes is ethically corrupt.
Blame Putin for what Putin is doing, but don't blame him for something he hadn't done.
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