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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:22 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by THG:
Having difficulties with other countries is a tragedy of life. Show me what countries in your list we tried to conquer, steal their land comrade, and rule.

T


All of them. WTF do you think we WERE doing in foreign countries?? "Defending our borders"???

And what we couldn't steal, we destroyed.
Blaming Biden* and YOU, THUGR. Especially since you stubbornly, irredeemably hang on to "stupid", even when you're shown facts that you could, and SHOULD, learn from.

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You only need to do one thing or the other to get Ted to agree with whatever you say.

1. Put a "(D)" after your name.
2. Shit talk Trump, no matter where your political alliances are or no matter how fucking evil you are.

Period.

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:39 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: YOU keep committing the same error, and flogging the same hate speech and, even after explanation, you STILL don't get it?? You're as stupid as THUGR!

"Russians" may have killed people- and BTW I don't accept the figures- but by that wasn't Putin.

"Germans" genocided 6 million Jews and other "undesirables" and killed 26 million Russians. Should Russia hate today's Germans for what some long-dead Getmans did 70+ years ago?

England ran roughshod over it's colonies, killing millions in the process of colonization, and leading to China's Hundred Years of Shame. Should Chinese hate modern Brits for what ended 70 years ago?

Should blacks hate whites because of slavery (thanks, BTW, to a lot of whites who got killed fighting on the Union side)?

Should we hate all Muslims because of what some Saudi (and USA)- fufunded radical Wahhabis do?

You, and everyone, should be responding that what TODAY'S INDIVIDUALS AND NATIONS DO, not to what some group or category or nation did in the past.

If blacks hate whites, it should be focused on TODAY'S prejudice, and on individuals and institutions who display that prejudice, not because of something that happened 200 years ago for which NOBODY TODAY is responsible.

If the world hates the USA for its long record of invading and destroying other nations and peoples, it should be focused on what people living TODAY, and extant institutions are doing TODAY, not because of what "somebody" did 100 years ago.

And BTW, the reason why I keep bringing up our genocidal history is not to blame people today for what happened before they were even born, or to make them feel guilty, but simply to provide an example and lesson to guide future behavior.

You flinging "Russian crimes" around and blaming today's Russians for long- ago crimes is ethically corrupt.

Blame Putin for what Putin is doing, but don't blame him for something he hadn't done.

If a majority of Ukrainians were convinced by your sophistry, Signym, the war would already be over. The Ukrainians are similarly unconvinced by Putin's speech from today: Vladimir Putin believes Russia is not to blame for the war in Ukraine, adding both countries are "sharing a tragedy". During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation". He claimed the conflict was "the result of the policy of third countries".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64055018

But keep on writing, Signym. Maybe someday with sharper arguments, you will finally persuade somebody of something and then the war will be over with Russia victorious. But I would bet that Russia will eventually lose after destroying hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe trillions!, in Ukrainian real estate. Ukrainians aren't going to surrender to Russia after Russia caused so much damage to Ukraine. The Ukrainians are feeling ill-will toward Russia because of what Russia has done now and in the far past. Pretty words won't change that feeling.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:47 AM

1/3 or more Ukrainians have already voted to join Russia. The population of Karkhiv is ethnically Russian as is half the population of Odessa.

As I've posted a couple dozen times by now, Ukraine is a divided nation. It could have stuck together as single entity if western Ukrainians hadn't decided to outlaw the Russian language and ethnically cleanse eastern and southern Ukraine

You make the same mistake with Ukrainians that you do with Russians, or Republicans, or any other category you choose .. you lump them all together and INACCURATELY assign characteristics, beliefs, faults etc to everyone in that group.

You pretend to be a hardcore realist, but -in reality- you're just spewing hatred, propaganda, self-justification and unrealistic "notions" about what the world is and how it works.

Yanno, come to think of it, if you were just randomly spewing crap, you'd think that you'd be right once in a while. How do you manage to be so wrong, so often?

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:52 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Evidence In Nord Stream Sabotage Doesn't Point To Russia: Washington Post


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No conclusive evidence Russia is behind Nord Stream attack


Yep, that looks like a massaging of the quote to me.

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:53 AM



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Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:33 PM

Child-rapist Zelensky: Ukraine will not back down.

Also, Child-rapist Zelensky: Gimmie money.

Z ain't nothing but a Twitch THOT.

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
1/3 or more Ukrainians have already voted to join Russia. The population of Karkhiv is ethnically Russian as is half the population of Odessa.

As I've posted a couple dozen times by now, Ukraine is a divided nation. It could have stuck together as single entity if western Ukrainians hadn't decided to outlaw the Russian language and ethnically cleanse eastern and southern Ukraine

You make the same mistake with Ukrainians that you do with Russians, or Republicans, or any other category you choose .. you lump them all together and INACCURATELY assign characteristics, beliefs, faults etc to everyone in that group.

You pretend to be a hardcore realist, but -in reality- you're just spewing hatred, propaganda, self-justification and unrealistic "notions" about what the world is and how it works.

Yanno, come to think of it, if you were just randomly spewing crap, you'd think that you'd be right once in a while. How do you manage to be so wrong, so often?

I will make a prediction: the war over where the border is between Ukraine and Russia will continue indefinitely, but most of the real estate damage will definitely be inside the old 2012 borders of Ukraine. Another prediction is that the following will remain true:

Forcible Transfer of Ukrainians to Russia
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/01/forcible-transfer-ukrainians-russi
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Punitive, Abusive Screening of Fleeing Civilians

Russian and Russian-affiliated forces have been forcibly transferring Ukrainian civilians, including those fleeing hostilities, to the Russian Federation or areas of Ukraine occupied by Russia, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.

The 71-page report, “‘We Had No Choice’: ‘Filtration’ and the Crime of Forcibly Transferring Ukrainian Civilians to Russia,” documents the transfers of Ukrainian civilians. The transfers are a serious violation of the laws of war that constitute war crimes and potential crimes against humanity. Russian and Russian-affiliated authorities also subjected thousands of Ukrainian citizens to a form of compulsory, punitive, and abusive security screening called “filtration.”

https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/09/01/we-had-no-choice/filtration-and-
crime-forcibly-transferring-ukrainian-civilians


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Child-rapist Zelensky: Ukraine will not back down.

Also, Child-rapist Zelensky: Gimmie money.

Z ain't nothing but a Twitch THOT.

6ix, you are hallucinating, imagining things. Instead, imagine being Putin, who just yesterday visited one of his very few allies, the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, and seeing the politically polarized United States come together to embrace Zelensky.

Imagine Putin hearing Biden say, as he did in a press conference at the White House after speaking with Zelensky for more than two hours, “And it was very important for him and everyone else to see that President Zelenskyy and I are united, two countries together, to make sure he cannot succeed…. “It’s important for Putin to know that we are going to do everything in our power – everything in our power to see that Zelensky succeeds.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/21/opinions/volodymyr-zelensky-address-con
gress-putin-ghitis/index.html


Zelenskyy defines "success" as pushing the Russian Army outside of the 2012 border between Ukraine and Russia. There are secondary goals such as Russia paying for the rebuilding of structures it destroyed and Russia returning the Ukrainian prisoners it has taken and Russians being convicted for their war crimes against dead Ukrainians.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 8:45 PM

For comparison with Signym and 6ix on the Ukraine/Russia border war, here is what those two malcontents wrote about the US government:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65442&mid=11667
92#1166792

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This pisses me off. The establishment wing of both parties merrily shoveling Americans into a meat grinder.

People should be outraged.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake





People ARE outraged.

Sub-human's who can no longer think for themselves like Ted cheerlead the wars abroad and the death of Democracy back home.

The Democratic Party is pure shit just like the fucking Bushite NeoCons.

Our entire government needs an enema.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

If all the corrupt were purged from government and DC , it would be a ghost town. There would probably be three people left in Congress, the WH would be empty except for janitors, the winds would be whistling diwn an empty "K" street. Langley would be mostly empty, at least half of the DC office of the FBI would be gone. The State Department would be an eerie place, the Pentagon would be mostly empty, and DHS and DOJ would be gutted.

If any place deserved the Sodom and Gomorrah treatment, it's our national government. Mostly corrupt quislings lining their pockets at everyone else's expense

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:15 PM

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Originally posted by second:
For comparison with Signym and 6ix on the Ukraine/Russia border war, here is what those two malcontents wrote about the US government:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65442&mid=11667
92#1166792

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This pisses me off. The establishment wing of both parties merrily shoveling Americans into a meat grinder.

People should be outraged.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake





People ARE outraged.

Sub-human's who can no longer think for themselves like Ted cheerlead the wars abroad and the death of Democracy back home.

The Democratic Party is pure shit just like the fucking Bushite NeoCons.

Our entire government needs an enema.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

If all the corrupt were purged from government and DC , it would be a ghost town. There would probably be three people left in Congress, the WH would be empty except for janitors, the winds would be whistling diwn an empty "K" street. Langley would be mostly empty, at least half of the DC office of the FBI would be gone. The State Department would be an eerie place, the Pentagon would be mostly empty, and DHS and DOJ would be gutted.

If any place deserved the Sodom and Gomorrah treatment, it's our national government. Mostly corrupt quislings lining their pockets at everyone else's expense

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

And just imagine! The EU is worse, and Ukraine even worse than that!
Very few of the west's leaders represent the interests of their own citizens.

Did you listen to the video I just posted in this thread? There are no eggs in British supermarkets. People aren't sending Xmas cards bc there's a rail atrike and postal strike, and a health services strike upcoming, thanks to inflation. In a tony part of London, the commenter has little electricity and no hot water bc a pipe burst somewhere and shorted part of the grid. He's had to send his family away but has to stay in home otherwise squatters will move in. Meanwhile, Rishi Sunak (and EU warhawks like Ursula van der Crazy and spineless donothings like Scholz) are INVISIBLE. These puppets of the USA deep state fear the wrath of the people but can't change their policies bc they only cling on to power and MONEY by the grace of the deep state and its backers.

In Kiev's Ukraine it's far, far worse. Men are sent en masse into a physiczl meat grinder and most of the western-controlled side is without electricity and water. But not to worry! The leadership is doing fine, thank you!

How many of our politicians are looking out for OUR best interests?

I heard an interesting phrase which describes the situation perfectly:

In China, you can't change the government but you can change policy.
In the west, you can change government but you can't change policy.



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