Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:I'm not a Jehovah's Witness,
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Whatever.
Meanwhile, SECOND, you haven't defined "winning" and "losing".… important concepts in war, dontcha think?
Also, the only choices you could think of were college, Burger King, and the military? What made the military so meaningful? And, aren't Jehovah's Witnesses conscientious objectors? Or do I have that wrong?
No, not anymore. You went to war after all, didn't you? You broke with the faith a long time ago.
And when you did, you ditched whatever morals and ethics you might have had about your fellow human beings.
But, like I said, enuf of you and your virtue-signalling and self-justification. We know what you are.
Let's talk about "winning" and "losing", shall we?
At one point, you said Russians didn't know how to fight wars because too many of them got killed. You said that the goal of war was to kill as many of the enemy as possible. Then you turned around and posted that despite America killing far more Vietnamese than Americans were killed, and destroying vast amounts of real estate, Americans "lost".
Seems contradictory.
So how do you define "winning" and "losing"?
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Quote:The Russians blame their difficulties on the US and US allies, but Canadians prosper despite their nearness to the US. Canadians are four times richer than the average Russian and Canada has an economy bigger than Russia's, yet Canada is right next to the US. There is something wrong with Russia that fills it with angry poor white trash who are unsuccessful.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's not what she did. She's calling out Second for being an entity of hate.
Second didn't serve in the military anyhow. Nothing about his online persona is real.
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=CAN&cou
ntry2=RUS
Finland shares a border with Russia and yet Finns are four times richer than Russians, just like the Canadians! Again, Russia's difficulties are caused by Russians, not the Finns. By the way, Russia has been threatening to nuke Finland if it joins NATO, which shows why Russians have trouble. The stupid belligerency of Russians has done Russians no good.
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=FIN&cou
ntry2=RUS
This is the 50th anniversary of stupid belligerency by a Republican President. At the time, all the Republicans I knew approved of this stupidity:
50 years ago, it was one of the heaviest bombardments in history aimed at bombing into submission a determined opponent that, despite being vastly outgunned, had withstood everything the world’s most formidable war machine could throw at it.
Operation Linebacker II saw more than 200 American B-52 bombers fly 730 sorties and drop over 20,000 tons of bombs on North Vietnam over a period of 12 days in December 1972, in a brutal assault aimed at shaking the Vietnamese “to their core,” in the words of then US national security adviser Henry Kissinger.
“They’re going to be so god damned surprised,” US President Richard Nixon replied to Kissinger on December 17, the eve of the mission.
In what would become known as “the Christmas bombings” in America and “the 11 days and nights” in Vietnam (no bombing took place on Christmas day), swathes of Hanoi were obliterated.
An estimated 1,600 Vietnamese were killed amid some of the most harrowing scenes of the conflict, in an operation likened by some to the Hamburg raids of World War II for the sheer scale of the destruction and civilian death toll.
The devastating losses were not all one way. At the same time, the United States Air Force sustained losses that today would seem unfathomable. Fifteen B-52s – the pride of America’s fleet – were shot down, six in one day alone, and 33 airmen lost.
Tragically, some believe all these deaths were largely in vain, with historians to this day debating the extent of the operation’s influence on the wider conflict.
In the aftermath of the operation, both sides claimed to have come out on top – Washington claiming it brought the Vietnamese back to the table for peace talks and Hanoi painting it as a heroic act of resistance in which it took everything its foe had and still remained standing.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/17/asia/operation-linebacker-ii-50th-anniv
ersary-intl-hnk-ml-dst/index.html
Like Nixon bombing Vietnam, Putin can bomb Ukraine but he won't win. Just like Nixon and his supporters in Texas, Putin and his supporters are too morally bankrupted by their feelings of false superiority and their highly emotional grievances against Democrats to know Putin is doing the wrong thing for Russia.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Winning for Russia would be for it to leave Ukraine and for Russians to emulate Canadians by going back to work and getting as rich as Canadians. Losing would be for Russians to keep blaming the US and its allies for Russia's problems. Canadians do well despite the US being next door. The US is NOT an existential threat to either Canada or Russia, but Russians can't seem to understand that. Russia could do as well or better than Canada, but Russians' stupid belligerency and a false sense of superiority are preventing that.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So how do you define "winning" and "losing"?
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=CAN&cou
ntry2=RUS
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Winning for Russia would be for it to leave Ukraine and for Russians to emulate Canadians by going back to work and getting as rich as Canadians. Losing would be for Russians to keep blaming the US and its allies for Russia's problems. Canadians do well despite the US being next door. The US is NOT an existential threat to either Canada or Russia, but Russians can't seem to understand that. Russia could do as well or better than Canada, but Russians' stupid belligerency and a false sense of superiority are preventing that.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So how do you define "winning" and "losing"?
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=CAN&cou
ntry2=RUS
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Evading the question, I see!
I'm not asking how "Russia" in your not-so-humble-opinion could "win" in the overall sense, I'm asking about armed conflict: what, for you, defines "winning" a war, and "losing" a war? After all, you claim to have fought in one, you seem to have pretty intense opinions about it and you've used the term often enough when posting about war, you must have SOME idea what you're posting about.
Or maybe you don't!
Well, show us that you have a clue about your own posts. Put your thinking cap on, and come up with a definition.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Winning for Russia would be for it to leave Ukraine and for Russians to emulate Canadians by going back to work and getting as rich as Canadians. Losing would be for Russians to keep blaming the US and its allies for Russia's problems. Canadians do well despite the US being next door. The US is NOT an existential threat to either Canada or Russia, but Russians can't seem to understand that. Russia could do as well or better than Canada, but Russians' stupid belligerency and a false sense of superiority are preventing that.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So how do you define "winning" and "losing"?
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=CAN&cou
ntry2=RUS
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Evading the question, I see!
I'm not asking how "Russia" in your not-so-humble-opinion could "win" in the overall sense, I'm asking about armed conflict: what, for you, defines "winning" a war, and "losing" a war? After all, you've used the term often enough when posting about war, you must have SOME idea what you're posting about.
Or maybe you don't!
Well, show us that you have a clue about your own posts. Put your thinking cap on, and come up with a definition.
Here's a clear indicator that the war is lost. Told you so comrade.
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RUSSIAN PUPPET SAYS WAR IS LOST!
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Nah.
If NATO/EU/Biden* Admin want to win this war they started, they need to stop being pussies by funding it with your money and declare war on Russia instead of sending Ukrainians in to die for them.
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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OMFG, you actully BELIEVE this shit?
I honestly didnt have the patience to listen to the whole thing. Ho-hum about HIMARS. I have one word about that: drones.
And mortars??? Seriously??? Notoriously inaccurate and, worse, very short range. Kiev troops would have to get VERY close to Russian troops to use them, and I doubt they would survive Russia's longer range weapons to get there.
But it was at the Russian casualty figures where I stopped listening. Eveyone knows that that 100,000+ figure that gets repeated over and over a psyops/disinfo.
I do have ??? about how Russia is waging this war, but your video addresses none of them.
Meanwhile, maybe you should listen to this guy: Brian Berletic. He joined the Marines when he was 17, and worked as an electro-optical ordnance repairman. He now works in Thailand as an industrial design engineer, https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/10/29/who-is-tony-cartalucci/ and he knows more about logistics and weapons than some yahoo who does "re-enactments"!
So listen and learn something (for a change)
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Quote:OK, SECOND, I'll make it easy for you: Whether you "win" a war or "lose" a war depends on whether you met your objectives.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Winning for Russia would be for it to leave Ukraine and for Russians to emulate Canadians by going back to work and getting as rich as Canadians. Losing would be for Russians to keep blaming the US and its allies for Russia's problems. Canadians do well despite the US being next door. The US is NOT an existential threat to either Canada or Russia, but Russians can't seem to understand that. Russia could do as well or better than Canada, but Russians' stupid belligerency and a false sense of superiority are preventing that.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So how do you define "winning" and "losing"?
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=CAN&cou
ntry2=RUS
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Evading the question, I see!
I'm not asking how "Russia" in your not-so-humble-opinion could "win" in the overall sense, I'm asking about armed conflict: what, for you, defines "winning" a war, and "losing" a war? After all, you claim to have fought in one, you seem to have pretty intense opinions about it and you've used the term often enough when posting about war, you must have SOME idea what you're posting about.
Or maybe you don't!
Well, show us that you have a clue about your own posts. Put your thinking cap on, and come up with a definition.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
What were our objectives in Vietnam?
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I guess that wasn't enough of a hint.
Well, I'll leave you to it while I go do other things. I hope you come back with an answer.
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The Chechen Warlord Who Does Putin’s Dirty Work in Ukraine
Ramzan Kadyrov, once an anti-Russian rebel, now gets billions from Moscow and plays a key role in the war
Thomas Grove in Kyiv and Evan Gershkovich in Moscow
13–16 minutes
From The Wall Street Journal, Dec. 16, 2022
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chechen-warlord-kadyrov-putin-dirty-work-
ukraine-11671204557?mod=djemalertNEWS
At the start of the war in Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov to occupy Kyiv’s government quarters and assassinate the Ukrainian president, Ukrainian intelligence and security officials allege.
When Mr. Putin needed more soldiers on fast-crumbling front lines, the warlord rounded up thousands of men, sometimes forcibly, and sent them in, according to Chechen residents.
Now, following successive Russian retreats, Mr. Kadyrov’s men are disciplining dejected Russian troops at the front and rooting out alleged spies in occupied Ukrainian territories — sometimes resorting to torture, Ukrainian officials and human-rights organizations say.
Since the start of the invasion, Mr. Putin has relied on ranks of military officers, businessmen and rogue actors to deliver what the Kremlin needs most to sustain its prolonged offensive: money, training and manpower.
One of the most loyal figures in the president’s war effort has been Mr. Kadyrov, who has publicly called himself Mr. Putin’s foot soldier.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied the Russian leader ordered the Chechen warlord to assassinate Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, calling the assertion “absolutely absurd, baseless and false.” Mr. Kadyrov didn’t respond to requests for comment.
Mr. Putin has tapped Russia’s vast budget over decades to prop up Mr. Kadyrov, according to documents and interviews with Ukrainian officials and people close to the Kremlin. Now, the 46-year-old Chechen warlord is straining to deliver on the Russian leader’s critical wartime demands.
The relationship — one of the most important in Russia — demonstrates the risks and rewards that come with helping prop up Mr. Putin’s system.
Mr. Kadyrov serves as a Kremlin enforcer in Chechnya, a restive republic in Russia’s North Caucasus. For nearly 20 years, Moscow has sent him billions of dollars, which he has used to rule his native region as a personal fief with his own highly trained private army.
Continued government funding buttresses Mr. Kadyrov’s grip on power in the predominantly Muslim region, where residents and analysts say he is hated by many.
“Putin’s support and money turned Kadyrov from a zero to a hero, so to speak, but also made him vulnerable and fully dependent,” said Yekaterina Sokirianskaya, a longtime expert on Chechnya formerly with the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based think tank that works to prevent wars. “That’s at the center of everything he’s doing right now.”
The Chechen leader has a rare direct line to Mr. Putin, with the president contacting Mr. Kadyrov personally rather than through aides as with Russia’s other governors, according to a former Kremlin official and another person close to the Kremlin.
For continuing his role in the war — which he makes sure to document extensively on social media — Mr. Kadyrov has said that Chechnya deserves hundreds of billions of rubles in new investments.
The Russian president “appreciates Kadyrov’s managerial qualities,” said Kremlin spokesman Mr. Peskov, but said that their “relationship does not go beyond that of head of state and head of a subject.”
Mr. Peskov said Messrs. Putin and Kadyrov regularly speak about the war effort, noting that two Chechen battalions are on the front lines.
Political analysts say Mr. Kadyrov is trying to undermine others with whom he is now competing for Kremlin cash. He has become a leading critic of the Russian Defense Ministry, blaming at least one general publicly by name for battlefield failures — something that could subject the average Russian citizen to years in prison.
The making of a warlord
Before Mr.
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