Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Ukraine remembers a famine under Stalin, and points to parallels with Putin
They call it the Holodomor, which means "death by hunger." Ukraine calls it a genocide, and nearly 20 other countries now agree — though not Russia.
At the National Museum of the Holodomor Genocide, one visitor, Roman Vashchenko, 44, spoke in somber tones of suffering old and new. First, he recalled stories his grandmother told him.
"She was one of 10 children. They were not allowed to leave their village. So they didn't know what was happening elsewhere," he said. "But they had a cow, and that's why they survived because they had milk."
Then he spoke of pain that's much more recent.
"In March, the Russians shot and killed my sister and her husband," he said softly. Their sons, ages 12 and 6, survived.
Drawing parallels between Stalin and Putin
One country that shares Ukraine's position is Poland, and its prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, visited Kyiv this weekend.
"If we allow Putin to continue, he will become the Stalin of the 21st century," Morawiecki said.
That famine, and today's war, speak to a country that's endured so much hardship.
It explains why the national anthem begins with the words, "Ukraine has not yet perished."
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/28/1139402378/ukraine-holodomor-famine-sta
lin-parallels-putin-russia-war
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot).
Err, Norway and Denmark were invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. As for Finland and Ukraine - I can see that you're not interested in nuance, Sig, but for anyone else who's interested: Finland was invaded by the USSR just before WWII and formed an alliance with the Nazis in order to liberate its territory - but after that held back from helping the Nazis, e.g. during the Siege of Leningrad. Ukraine, as a part of the Soviet Union, was invaded and brutalised by the Nazis, and millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army against the Nazis. Ukrainian nationalist Bandera and his followers famously sided with the Nazis, hoping (foolishly) to gain an independent Ukrainian state. Some Ukrainians still revere Bandera today for his pro-Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance, and either overlook the cosying up to the Nazis, or don't care, or even actively approve.
Kremlin propagandists have sought to equate Ukrainians' desire for independence with Nazi ideology ever since, to the ridiculous extent that even under a Jewish President Ukraine is called a "Nazi state".
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:That's what I call "projection".
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The USA started out with slavery. Since you insist that nations repeat their history, even from centuries ago, the USA is obviously a slave-nation today.
SECIND: Unfortunately for amnesiac Russians and Signym, today's Ukrainians remember the millions of Ukrainians killed by Russians in the past and know that Russians in the present day will kill millions of Ukrainians if the war is lost.
Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot). So: Nazis then, Nazis now?
Russia has been very restrained, protecting civilians and infrastructure as much as possible. SECOND mistakes restraint for weaknessQuote:
SECOND: Have you never been to Texas?
I've been to Texas.
Have you ever been to western New York state or southern California?Quote:Yep! Cheap labor. That's must be why you like illegals so much. After all, YOU'RE a Texas businessman. They work hard, for cheap!
SECOND: In construction, illegal workers are treated worse than in slavery.
Always wrong always stupid Signym, like all Russians apparently, do not understand that if your retiring community is larger than your work force, all the social programs collapse. And that’s just the beginning.
The Russian population has long been far smaller than it needs and was still shrinking before the war. Now, with the current exodus their country is soon to be a realized nightmare.
Comrade, I told you so. Can_you_see_me_laughing?
T
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Originally posted by K2PO:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot).
Err, Norway and Denmark were invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. As for Finland and Ukraine - I can see that you're not interested in nuance, Sig, but for anyone else who's interested: Finland was invaded by the USSR just before WWII and formed an alliance with the Nazis in order to liberate its territory - but after that held back from helping the Nazis, e.g. during the Siege of Leningrad. Ukraine, as a part of the Soviet Union, was invaded and brutalised by the Nazis, and millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army against the Nazis. Ukrainian nationalist Bandera and his followers famously sided with the Nazis, hoping (foolishly) to gain an independent Ukrainian state. Some Ukrainians still revere Bandera today for his pro-Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance, and either overlook the cosying up to the Nazis, or don't care, or even actively approve.
Kremlin propagandists have sought to equate Ukrainians' desire for independence with Nazi ideology ever since, to the ridiculous extent that even under a Jewish President Ukraine is called a "Nazi state".
Hello K2PO...
T
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Hi T
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So who's sockpuppet is K2PO?
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Quote:IIRC the original KPO was G aka CAPNCRUNCH aka... too many to remember.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So who's sockpuppet is K2PO?
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
IIRC the original KPO was G aka CAPNCRUNCH aka... too many to remember.
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Quote:so basically Denmark and Norway were like Vichy France, and Ukraine and Finland SIDED WITH THE NAZIS for nationalist reasons.
Originally posted by K2PO:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot).
Err, Norway and Denmark were invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. As for Finland and Ukraine - I can see that you're not interested in nuance, Sig, but for anyone else who's interested: Finland was invaded by the USSR just before WWII and formed an alliance with the Nazis in order to liberate its territory - but after that held back from helping the Nazis, e.g. during the Siege of Leningrad. Ukraine, as a part of the Soviet Union, was invaded and brutalised by the Nazis, and millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army against the Nazis. Ukrainian nationalist Bandera and his followers famously sided with the Nazis, hoping (foolishly) to gain an independent Ukrainian state. Some Ukrainians still revere Bandera today for his pro-Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance, and either overlook the cosying up to the Nazis, or don't care, or even actively approve.
Kremlin propagandists have sought to equate Ukrainians' desire for independence with Nazi ideology ever since, to the ridiculous extent that even under a Jewish President Ukraine is called a "Nazi state".
I do understand the mixed heritage of Europe. Poles, altho invaded by Germany, despised Jews as much as the Nazis. Maybe more so. They tolerated the Warsaw ghetto and many concentration camps. Sweden had its Nazi-lovers, which is reflected even recently in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Hungarian Nazi-collaberators were so vicious the German Nazis thought they were an embarassment. Ukrainian nationalists were fully onboard with Nazi ideology, this was not just a marriage of convenience. Denmark, too,had a split population.
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Denmark, whose citizens stepped forward to help a great many of their nation’s Jewish population escape to Sweden and elsewhere, and in many cases actively resisted the Nazis, also had a lot of Nazi sympathizers and collaborators. Thousands of Danes fought in the Waffen-SS during the war
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/list-of-danish-nazis.html
There were Lithuanian Nazis, Finnish Nazis, etc There was also a resistance (more active in some places than others).
Hungarian Nazis (Arrow Cross Party)
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hungarian-nazis-arrow-cross-party
Ukrainian Nazis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germ
any
Swedish Nazis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_in_Sweden
So these presumed "liberal democracies" don't have such a pure history.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:IIRC the original KPO was G aka CAPNCRUNCH aka... too many to remember.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So who's sockpuppet is K2PO?
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Sounds about right.
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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