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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Sunday, November 27, 2022 10:15 PM
Quote:Will you believe an official Russian news source?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:That's as far as I need to read.
Originally posted by second:
If Putin really ...
When the M$M has to qualify their bullshit with "if", it's so ridiculous even they have to distance themselves from it.
Military operation in Ukraine, 25 Nov, 12:17
Russia used to live by someone else’s rules, going through purge now — Putin
The president said that "ultimately those who tried to control us - it’s thanks to their efforts, by and large, that we ended up in that situation, including in the zone of the special military operation"
NOVO-OGARYOVO, November 25. /TASS/. Russia used to live by someone else’s rules, an is going through a purge now, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.
"What happened in the previous years was largely because we played, lived by someone else’s rules. The events of today are a path to some internal purging and reinvention," he said as he met with the mothers of the servicemen that participate in the special military operation.
He said in the 1990s and the 2000s "it seemed to us everything would be okay, but it wasn’t so."
"Moreover, we started to live and play by someone else’s rules and we took a delight in the fact that someone was trying to control us," Putin said.
He said "ultimately those who tried to control us - it’s thanks to their efforts, by and large, that we ended up in that situation, including in the zone of the special military operation."
"They pushed us to do this," the president said.
He said "nothing would have happened" if it hadn’t been for the coup in Ukraine in 2014 that toppled the government in that country.
https://tass.com/politics/1542117
There is an alternate explanation for why Putin invaded Ukraine, but not from TASS:
Invading Georgia gave Vladimir Putin a rush of confidence to invade Ukraine.
August 2008. The most-intense fighting between Russia and Georgia lasted only five days, before a ceasefire was agreed. However, some analysts say the agreement "favoured Moscow", and the West's weak response to the conflict emboldened Vladimir Putin to eventually invade Ukraine.
Russia suffered few negative consequences on the global stage as a result of its invasion. Western leaders were slow to respond to the crisis and wanted to resolve the conflict through talks, says Dr Rasmuss Nilsson, a lecturer in Russian and post-Soviet politics at University College London.
"The year before the war, before the fighting, Georgia asked over the summer, repeatedly, for help and did not get it," he says. "The West makes it clear it is not going to help militarily, but France, in particular, tries to push for a diplomatic solution." At the time, not all nations viewed Russia as an "aggressor", due to prior fighting and attacks between separatists and the Georgian military, Dr Nilsson says. "Russia sold it as a humanitarian intervention at the time," he said.
Much more at https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-27/wests-response-to-war-in-georgi
a-emboldened-putin/101677678
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, November 28, 2022 4:53 AM
a) It is internationally acknowledged that Georgia fired their missiles first
b) Medvedev was President then, not Putin
c) There is no comparison between Georgia's underpowered military, and Ukraine's dug-in, western-reinforced,
NATO-equivalent army. (Ukraine may not be in NATO, but NATO us in Ukraine.)
More bullshit from SECOND.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, November 28, 2022 4:55 AM
Dear gentle reader:
Cleaning up SECOND's poop is a neverending chore.
From now on, just assume that SECOND is a compulsive liar.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, November 28, 2022 7:22 AM
Quote:Russia has murdered 61,911,000 people from 1917 to 1987. You and Russians may think history will restart anew Monday morning when everything that happened before is canceled out by your amnesia and stupidity, but the rest of the world, including Ukrainians, don't forget. A helpful reminder:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
a) It is internationally acknowledged that Georgia fired their missiles first
b) Medvedev was President then, not Putin
c) There is no comparison between Georgia's underpowered military, and Ukraine's dug-in, western-reinforced,
NATO-equivalent army. (Ukraine may not be in NATO, but NATO us in Ukraine.)
More bullshit from SECOND.
R.J. Rummel, Lethal Politics - Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 (Published 1990)
While there are estimates of the number of people killed by Soviet authorities during particular episodes or campaigns, until now, no one has tried to calculate the complete human toll of Soviet genocides and mass murders since the revolution of 1917. Here, R. J. Rummel lists and analyzes hundreds of published estimates, presenting them in the historical context in which they occurred. His shocking conclusion is that, conservatively calculated, 61,911,000 people were systematically killed by the Communist regime from 1917 to 1987.
https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder/dp/15600
08873/
Preface
This book is part of a project on government genocide and mass killing in this century. The aim is to test the hypothesis that the citizens of democracies are the least likely to be murdered by their own governments; the citizens of totalitarian, especially Marxist systems, the most likely. The theory is that democratic systems provide a path to peace, and universalizing them would eliminate war and minimize global political violence. This was the conclusion of my Understanding Conflict and War,' and has been further confirmed by systematic, empirical tests since.
In the process of that research, I discovered that governments have murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, and that in some cases, the death toll may have actually exceeded that of World War II. To get some idea of the numbers involved, I surveyed the extent of genocide and mass killing by governments since 1900. The results were shocking: according to these first figures—independent of war and other kinds of conflict—governments probably have murdered 119,400,000 people—Marxist governments about 95,200,000 of them. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000.
These monstrous statistics sharply reoriented my research. For more than thirty years as a political scientist and peace researcher, I had focused my research on the causes and conditions of war, conflict, and peace. I had believed that war was the greatest killer and that nuclear war would be a global holocaust. Now I have found that the total killed by government in cold blood was almost four times that of war. It was as though a nuclear war had already occurred.
Download all R.J. Rummel books for free from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=R.J.+Rummel
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, November 28, 2022 8:35 AM
The USA started out with slavery. Since you insist that nations repeat their history, even from centuries ago, the USA is obviously a slave-nation today.
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, November 28, 2022 8:35 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Dear gentle reader:
Cleaning up SECOND's poop is a neverending chore.
From now on, just assume that SECOND is a compulsive liar.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Monday, November 28, 2022 8:37 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Russia has murdered 61,911,000 people from 1917 to 1987. You and Russians may think history will restart anew Monday morning when everything that happened before is canceled out by your amnesia and stupidity, but the rest of the world, including Ukrainians, don't forget. A helpful reminder:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
a) It is internationally acknowledged that Georgia fired their missiles first
b) Medvedev was President then, not Putin
c) There is no comparison between Georgia's underpowered military, and Ukraine's dug-in, western-reinforced,
NATO-equivalent army. (Ukraine may not be in NATO, but NATO us in Ukraine.)
More bullshit from SECOND.
R.J. Rummel, Lethal Politics - Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 (Published 1990)
While there are estimates of the number of people killed by Soviet authorities during particular episodes or campaigns, until now, no one has tried to calculate the complete human toll of Soviet genocides and mass murders since the revolution of 1917. Here, R. J. Rummel lists and analyzes hundreds of published estimates, presenting them in the historical context in which they occurred. His shocking conclusion is that, conservatively calculated, 61,911,000 people were systematically killed by the Communist regime from 1917 to 1987.
https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder/dp/15600
08873/
Preface
This book is part of a project on government genocide and mass killing in this century. The aim is to test the hypothesis that the citizens of democracies are the least likely to be murdered by their own governments; the citizens of totalitarian, especially Marxist systems, the most likely. The theory is that democratic systems provide a path to peace, and universalizing them would eliminate war and minimize global political violence. This was the conclusion of my Understanding Conflict and War,' and has been further confirmed by systematic, empirical tests since.
In the process of that research, I discovered that governments have murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, and that in some cases, the death toll may have actually exceeded that of World War II. To get some idea of the numbers involved, I surveyed the extent of genocide and mass killing by governments since 1900. The results were shocking: according to these first figures—independent of war and other kinds of conflict—governments probably have murdered 119,400,000 people—Marxist governments about 95,200,000 of them. By comparison, the battle-killed in all foreign and domestic wars in this century total 35,700,000.
These monstrous statistics sharply reoriented my research. For more than thirty years as a political scientist and peace researcher, I had focused my research on the causes and conditions of war, conflict, and peace. I had believed that war was the greatest killer and that nuclear war would be a global holocaust. Now I have found that the total killed by government in cold blood was almost four times that of war. It was as though a nuclear war had already occurred.
Download all R.J. Rummel books for free from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=R.J.+Rummel
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
And yet you're still a Marxist. Hmmmmmmm....
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Monday, November 28, 2022 6:07 PM
Quote:Unfortunately for amnesiac Russians and Signym, today's Ukrainians remember the millions of Ukrainians killed by Russians in the past and know that Russians in the present day will kill millions of Ukrainians if the war is lost.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The USA started out with slavery. Since you insist that nations repeat their history, even from centuries ago, the USA is obviously a slave-nation today.
Have you never been to Texas? In construction, illegal workers are treated worse than in slavery. That's Texas businesses owned by Republicans. The Democrats don't abuse their workers as the Republicans do. The Republican-controlled school boards are freakishly opposed to teaching about Texas' brutal past because of the parallels and similarities between that past and now. https://www.google.com/search?q=texas+slavery
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Monday, November 28, 2022 6:32 PM
Quote:Have you ever heard of Tit-for-Tat? There is nothing Marxist about that idea from game theory. When people are cooperative, Tit-for-Tat is very kind to everyone. Everyone gets rich and happy. But when people are uncooperative, that is when Tit-for-Tat is revealed to be a very brutal method for dealing with uncooperative people because it is painful. Investopedia will explain it to you: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tit-for-tat.asp
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And yet you're still a Marxist. Hmmmmmmm....
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
Russia and it's client state, North Korea, have made themselves poor because they are the most uncooperative countries. Because Russia and North Korea are what they are, they will stay poor, just as angry poor white trash in America stay poor because they are uncooperative. Trump can't fix what is wrong with his white trash voters. They have to fix themselves. The world can't fix what is wrong with Russia and North Korea. They have to change themselves into countries that don't automatically threaten, at least once per week, the rest of the world with nukes.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:10 AM
Quote:That's what I call "projection".
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The USA started out with slavery. Since you insist that nations repeat their history, even from centuries ago, the USA is obviously a slave-nation today.
SECIND: Unfortunately for amnesiac Russians and Signym, today's Ukrainians remember the millions of Ukrainians killed by Russians in the past and know that Russians in the present day will kill millions of Ukrainians if the war is lost.
Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot). So: Nazis then, Nazis now?
Russia has been very restrained, protecting civilians and infrastructure as much as possible. SECOND mistakes restraint for weakness
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SECOND: Have you never been to Texas?
I've been to Texas.
Have you ever been to western New York state or southern California?
Quote:Yep! Cheap labor. That's must be why you like illegals so much. After all, YOU'RE a Texas businessman. They work hard, for cheap!
SECOND: In construction, illegal workers are treated worse than in slavery.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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