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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

so basically Denmark and Norway were like Vichy France, and Ukraine and Finland SIDED WITH THE NAZIS for nationalist reasons.

I do understand the mixed heritage of Europe. Poles, altho invaded by Germany, despised Jews as much as the Nazis. Maybe more so. They tolerated the Warsaw ghetto and many concentration camps. Sweden had its Nazi-lovers, which is reflected even recently in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Hungarian Nazi-collaborators were so vicious the German Nazis thought they were an embarrassment. Ukrainian nationalists were fully onboard with Nazi ideology, this was not just a marriage of convenience. Denmark, too, had a split population.

There were Lithuanian Nazis, Finnish Nazis, etc There was also a resistance (more active in some places than others).

Hungarian Nazis (Arrow Cross Party)

Ukrainian Nazis

Swedish Nazis

So these presumed "liberal democracies" don't have such a pure history.

Trump Disappointed After Holocaust Denier Tells Him Holocaust Never Happened

PALM BEACH, FL—Appearing crestfallen during a dinner with the white supremacist at his Mar-a-Lago estate, former President Donald Trump is said to have expressed deep sadness last week when he was told by Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes that the Holocaust never happened. “Wait, so all those stories I heard as a child about the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews—those were just a fantasy?” said Trump, slumping his head and letting out a long sigh as he reportedly began to accept the belief that Adolf Hitler and his Nazis had not rounded up Jews and other marginalized people, shipped them to concentration camps, and exterminated as many as possible. “This is terrible news, what you’re telling me, absolutely terrible. Even Kristallnacht? I guess they just weren’t able to go through with it or something. That’s so sad.” According to sources, Fuentes comforted Trump by assuring him that if they worked together, the Holocaust did not have to remain a fantasy.

Pence says Trump was ‘wrong’ for dinner with Holocaust denier
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/28/politics/trump-dinner-holocaust-denier-
white-nationalist-pence-gop-condemn


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

so basically Denmark and Norway were like Vichy France, and Ukraine and Finland SIDED WITH THE NAZIS for nationalist reasons.

I do understand the mixed heritage of Europe. Poles, altho invaded by Germany, despised Jews as much as the Nazis. Maybe more so. They tolerated the Warsaw ghetto and many concentration camps. Sweden had its Nazi-lovers, which is reflected even recently in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Hungarian Nazi-collaborators were so vicious the German Nazis thought they were an embarrassment. Ukrainian nationalists were fully onboard with Nazi ideology, this was not just a marriage of convenience. Denmark, too, had a split population.

There were Lithuanian Nazis, Finnish Nazis, etc There was also a resistance (more active in some places than others).

Hungarian Nazis (Arrow Cross Party)

Ukrainian Nazis

Swedish Nazis

So these presumed "liberal democracies" don't have such a pure history.

Trump Disappointed After Holocaust Denier Tells Him Holocaust Never Happened

PALM BEACH, FL—Appearing crestfallen during a dinner with the white supremacist at his Mar-a-Lago estate, former President Donald Trump is said to have expressed deep sadness last week when he was told by Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes that the Holocaust never happened. “Wait, so all those stories I heard as a child about the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews—those were just a fantasy?” said Trump, slumping his head and letting out a long sigh as he reportedly began to accept the belief that Adolf Hitler and his Nazis had not rounded up Jews and other marginalized people, shipped them to concentration camps, and exterminated as many as possible. “This is terrible news, what you’re telling me, absolutely terrible. Even Kristallnacht? I guess they just weren’t able to go through with it or something. That’s so sad.” According to sources, Fuentes comforted Trump by assuring him that if they worked together, the Holocaust did not have to remain a fantasy.

Pence says Trump was ‘wrong’ for dinner with Holocaust denier
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/28/politics/trump-dinner-holocaust-denier-
white-nationalist-pence-gop-condemn


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



LOL... that's the saddest lie of a story CNN has put out to date.



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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 5:16 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

LOL... that's the saddest lie of a story CNN has put out to date.

It is satire from the Onion. Trump is a walking and talking satire of an American President, but Trumptards don't get the joke. As an excuse for invading Ukraine, Putin called Ukraine's President a Nazi. Trump was a President who insinuated he, too, is a Nazi sympathizer. Nuking Mar-a-Lago would be logical for Putin in the way Russians use "logic" and "reason" and "evidence" to justify what they do to "Nazis" in countries Putin attacks.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Putin+threatens+to+nuke+the+USA

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 5:17 PM

A bipartisan group of U.S. senators has intensified pressure on the Biden administration to give Ukraine a top-tier U.S. drone capable of firing four Hellfire missiles or eight Stinger munitions. The 16 senators, led by Iowa Republican Sen. Joni Ernst and West Virginia Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin, called the Gray Eagle MQ-1C “the Ukrainian government’s highest-priority military equipment transfer request” of unmanned aerial systems and said it would have “the potential to drive the strategic course of the war in Ukraine’s favor.”

In their November 22 letter, the senators — including Republicans Lindsey Graham and Chuck Grassley as well as Democrats Richard Blumenthal and Mark Kelly — wrote, “Most importantly, armed [drones] could find and attack Russian warships in the Black Sea, breaking its coercive blockade and alleviate dual pressures on the Ukrainian economy and global food prices.” The senators asserted, “A Russian victory over Ukraine would significantly damage American security and prosperity.”
https://www.ernst.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2022-11-22_ernst_manchin_gr
ay_eagle_letter.pdf


In their letter, the senators noted that AGM-114 Hellfire missiles “have been reviewed and exported to over twenty-five U.S. partners.” Last week, a Pentagon spokesperson said that “nothing has been ruled out.” The senators asked the White House to respond to their letter no later than November 30.

https://theintercept.com/2022/11/28/ukraine-drone-weapon-senators/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 5:21 PM

Ukraine has gained an advantage on the battlefield in part from deploying Western rocket systems that allow it to target Russian positions behind the front lines, partly neutralising Moscow's advantage in artillery firepower.

In the latest example of Western military aid to Kyiv, the Pentagon is considering a proposal by Boeing to supply Ukraine with cheap, small precision bombs that can fit onto rockets with a range of 150 km (94 miles), putting more Russian targets within range.

Boeing's proposed system, dubbed Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb, is one of about a half-dozen plans for getting new munitions into production for Ukraine and America's Eastern European allies, industry sources said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-won-t-stop-strikes-until-i
t-runs-out-of-missiles-zelenskiy-says/ar-AA14DA5n


“The GLSDB is the ultimate solution for a customer that is looking for an affordable, high precision and long range solution”, says Svein Daae, head of marketing of GLSDB at Saab.

The Small Diameter Bomb I (SDB I) is the warhead of the GLSDB. The SDB is a well-proven precision-guided glide bomb that has been in production since 2006. More than 20,000 SDB have been produced and 10,000 used in combat. It is well known for high accuracy and reliability. SDB has users all over the world, including the U.S. Air Force, the Norwegian Air Force, and thirteen other countries.

https://www.saab.com/newsroom/stories/2019/march/flexible-precise-and-
reliable--the-versatile-long-range-solution-that-has-it-all


https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/100-mile-strike-wea
pon-weighed-ukraine-arms-makers-wrestle-with-demand-sources-2022-11-28
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 5:40 PM

Even amid murderous Russian raids, western apathy is Kyiv’s deadliest foe

Putin’s missiles are raining down on Ukrainians, but the biggest danger they face is weakening support from the US and Europe

The war and its atrocities are being normalised and, increasingly, discounted. Where is the outrage now? Where the visceral fury? Nine months in, western public opinion is dulled, deadened and desensitised by a daily diet of remote, unceasing, almost routine carnage. The majority still wants Ukraine to prevail. But war fatigue teeters towards apathy.

In Italy and Germany, far-right voices complain they are “fed up” with the war’s costly knock-on effects. Protests against the stand-off with Moscow pockmark central Europe. Conflicted fellow travellers give Putin leave to carry on killing.

Kyiv’s mayor, Vitali Klitschko, says it’s obvious what Putin wants: “Ukraine without Ukrainians.” More than 7.8 million people have fled as refugees since February, the UN estimates. Millions more are internally displaced. Concern grows about a second exodus. “Right now, across the country, people are facing a grim choice: flee or freeze,” said Jan Egeland of the Norwegian Refugee Council.

In Ukraine, public attitudes are hardening. Pride in the Ukrainian nation and pro-western, pro-EU sentiment have never been stronger – including among ethnic minority Russians. Overall, 89% of respondents in one survey accused Russia of genocide.

The Ukrainian people are a formidable force. They have shown they can beat their enemies. But should they fear their friends? A weakening of US and European support, leaving Ukraine out in the cold, is perhaps the most dismaying hazard they face. Putin is counting on it. Might the peoples of the west, for the sake of a quiet life, really get “fed up” with the war to the point where they are ready to ignore or even tolerate mass murder, war crimes and the evisceration of a sovereign nation as the new normal?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/27/russian-raids-we
stern-apathy-kyiv-putin-ukrainians-us-europe


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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THG
Tuesday, November 29, 2022 6:24 PM

Signym likes to combine facts with falsehoods and quote sources that do the same. They twist information in the hopes it misleads those who read it, getting them to believe an assertion that is untrue. Fortunately we know signym, and we know she does that.

Happily, some of us here quote facts as best we can, and the truth is what we argue. Every time sig and some others here post, they document what exposes them to be trolls and liars. They influence nothing but they persist. It’s a sickness.

It is surly a sickness they suffer. Why else would they support Russia when it creates moment by moment, atrocity after atrocity? A war crime after a war crime.


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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by THG:

It’s a sickness.

A war crime after a war crime.

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Putin's people rant and rage:

Putin's top propagandists openly talk of Russia losing to Ukraine and being tried in Hague

Russian TV hosts Margarita Simonyan and Vladimir Solovyov openly speculated on the aftermath of a defeat of Russia in Ukraine for Vladimir Putin's inner circle. Simonyan's chilling monologue referenced the war crimes trials at the Hague for the Russian leadership. At the same time, Solovyov boasted that the world would be "turned to ash" hinting at a nuclear strike before the Kremlin would concede defeat.

Simonyan told Russia1: "They are getting ready to take our Crimea. We're doing the only thing we can do in this situation, we are bombing.

"We are bombing every day, we are bombing infrastructure.

"God knows we didn't want this, no one wanted this you and I didn't want this. I know the leadership didn't want this either.

"There again, we are kind, polite and at times meek. We are such softies, so kind, trusting, and meek, but should we be?

"Right now, when we see that the infrastructure is being destroyed every day. The infrastructure that helps Ukraine to fight, to kill our people, on the territories that are now ours.

"I am amazed by our people, and I, unfortunately, know many of them, including those in very high circles, who are afraid of this and are afraid to call things as they are, because of what people over there may think."

Simonyan continued: "We could spit on what they'll think over there."

"People who are afraid of the Hague, listen you should be afraid to lose, to be humiliated and be afraid to betray your people."

"Let me tell you that if we manage to lose, the Hague, whether real or hypothetical, will even come for a street cleaner who sweeps the cobblestone behind the Kremlin."

"Whether one more Kyiv district is without electricity won't change the magnitude of the catastrophe that will befall our country if we manage to do this."

"It's unimaginable."

"If you're afraid of the Hague, stay out of the forest."

Solovyov added "There won't be any Hague if this happens."

Simonyan agreed "There won't be anything at all."

Solovyov concluded: "The whole world will be turned to ashes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/putin-s-top-propagandists-openly-
talk-of-russia-losing-to-ukraine-and-being-tried-in-hague/ar-AA14G2qw


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 7:26 PM

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Originally posted by SECOND:

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Tuesday, November 29, 2022 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Signym likes to combine facts with falsehoods and quote sources that do the same.



Wikipedia?
Jewish center?
The Pentagon?
Reuters?



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