Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:I have often been amazed at how much money the Pentagon can spend without tangible results to show the American public. In Ukraine, there is something to show. Although Ukraine is a very small expense compared to what the Pentagon spends in a typical year, the Pentagon is getting back a great deal of accurate information about the adversary the Pentagon has used for the last 77 years to justify around $100 trillion in spending, adjusting past spending for inflation to 2022 dollars:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
PS: The USA is at war with Russia.
November 09, 2022 - Democratic President Joe Biden, with little congressional review, has sent nearly $20 billion in arms and humanitarian aid to Ukraine since the war started in late February.
https://www.voanews.com/a/democrats-republicans-say-they-will-back-ukr
aine-whoever-controls-congress/6827454.html
Biden's 2023 Budget Proposal Sees Another $6.9 Billion For Ukraine, NATO
https://www.rferl.org/a/biden-budget-ukraine-nato/31774703.html
Each year federal agencies receive funding from Congress, known as budgetary resources. In FY 2022, the Department of Defense (DOD) had $1.94 Trillion distributed among its 6 sub-components. Agencies spend available budgetary resources by making financial promises called obligations.
https://www.usaspending.gov/agency/department-of-defense?fy=2022
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Except, if course, for the bottleneck of turning nat gas into LNG and shipping it overseas.
Originally posted by second:Quote:The longer this war goes on, the longer Russia can't find buyers for its natural gas, which just so happens to be very profitable for Texas, which can sell all the natural gas it produces since Texas is not at war with anybody.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
I'm flat out rooting for Russia now.
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I'm a Democrat now. Let's erase history, burn everything down and start over. China's going to end up owning everything anyways.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Russia has no problems selling natgas to China and India. The high prices are a result of the EU and UK shooting themselves in the foot and blowing up the Nordstreams. Now they have to pay ANY price for non-Russian natgas, and since this is a global commodity spot prices rise everywhere.
PS: The USA is at war with Russia.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Oh. I know the US is at war with Russia. And we're sending in idiot Ukraine citizens in to die for Raytheon.
I'd vote Putin over Biden in 2024 if he were on the ticket.
Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Democrats. Fuck Neo-Cons. Fuck NATO. Fuck the War Machine.
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"After defeat in Kherson, Russia’s status as a great state is questionable,” one pro-Putin political analyst revealed following the withdrawal. "They will be putting pressure on, and demand soft capitulation.”
“If Russia wants to win, we must switch the economy into a military regime,” the strategist added. “This decision is already six months late. We have got to be tougher. Tougher. Drones, communication, missiles and shells must be produced by our factories 24/7.”
The failure to launch the Poseidon missiles from the Belgorod, and the retreat from the Ukrainian city of Kherson, also comes as a vast majority of Putin’s troops are either surrendering, mutinying or begging the Kremlin’s top brass officials to change their strategy in the war against their neighboring nation.
https://radaronline.com/p/vladimir-putin-suffers-loss-doomsday-nuclear
-powered-torpedo-fails-launch/
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Originally posted by second:
November 09, 2022 - Democratic President Joe Biden, with little congressional review, has sent nearly $20 billion in arms and humanitarian aid to Ukraine since the war started in late February.
https://www.voanews.com/a/democrats-republicans-say-they-will-back-ukr
aine-whoever-controls-congress/6827454.html
Biden's 2023 Budget Proposal Sees Another $6.9 Billion For Ukraine, NATO
https://www.rferl.org/a/biden-budget-ukraine-nato/31774703.html
That's enough US taxpayer dollars to end world hunger for almost 5 years according to Twitter.
Fuck Joe Biden*.
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Surovikin’s Difficult Choice
Russia Abandons Kherson
Big Serge
5 hr ago
General Armageddon
In January, 1944, the newly reconstituted German Sixth Army found itself in an operationally cataclysmic situation in the southern bend of the Dnieper River, in the area of Krivoi Rog and Nikopol. The Germans occupied a dangerous salient, jutting out precariously into the Red Army’s lines. Vulnerable on two awkward flanks, and facing an enemy with superiority in manpower and firepower, any general worth his salt would have sought to withdraw as soon as possible. In this case, however, Hitler insisted that the Wehrmacht hold the salient, because the region was Germany’s last remaining source of manganese - a mineral crucial for making high quality steel.
A year prior, in the opening weeks of 1943, Hitler had intervened in another, more famous battle, forbidding the previous incarnation of the Sixth Army from breaking out of a pocket forming around it at Stalingrad. Prohibited from withdrawing, the Sixth was annihilated wholesale.
In both of these cases, there was a clash between pure military prudence and broader political aims and needs. In 1943, there was neither a compelling military nor political reason to keep the 6th Army in the pocket at Stalingrad - political intervention in military decision making was both senseless and disasterous. In 1944, however, Hitler (however difficult it is to admit it) had a valid argument. Without manganese from the Nikopol area, German war production was doomed. In this case, political intervention was perhaps warranted. Leaving an army in a vulnerable salient is bad, but so is running out of manganese.
These two tragic fates of the Sixth Army illustrate the salient issue today: how do we parse the difference between military and political decision making? More specifically, to what do we attribute the shocking Russian decision to withdraw from the west bank of the Dnieper in Kherson oblast, after annexing it just a few months ago?
I would like to parse through this issue. First off, one cannot deny that the withdrawal is politically a significant humiliation for Russia. The question becomes, however, whether this sacrifice was necessary on military or political grounds, and what it may signify about the future course of the conflict.
As I see it, the withdrawal from west bank Kherson must be driven by one of the four following possibilities:
The Ukrainian Army has defeated the Russian Army on the west bank and driven it back across the river.
Russia is setting a trap in Kherson.
A secret peace agreement (or at least ceasefire) has been negotiated which includes giving Kherson back to Ukraine.
Russia has made a politically embarrassing but militarily prudent operational choice.
Let us simply run through these four and examine them in sequence.
Possibility 1: Military Defeat
The recapture of Kherson is being fairly celebrated by Ukrainians as a victory. The question is just what kind of victory it is - political/optical, or military? It becomes trivially obvious that it is the first sort. Let’s examine a few facts.
First off, as recently as the morning of November 9 - hours before the withdrawal was announced - some Russian war correspondents were expressing skepticism about the withdrawal rumors because Russia’s forward defensive lines were completely intact. There was no semblance of crisis among Russian forces in the region.
Secondly, Ukraine was not executing any intense offensive efforts in the region at the time the withdrawal began, and Ukrainian officials expressed skepticism that the withdrawal was even real. Indeed, the idea that Russia was laying a trap originates with Ukrainian officials who were apparently caught off guard by the withdrawal. Ukraine was not prepared to pursue or exploit, and advanced cautiously into the void after Russian soldiers were gone. Even with Russia withdrawing, they were clearly scared to advance, because their last few attempts to push through the defenses in the area became mass casualty even
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Quote:https://bigserge.substack.com/p/surovkins-difficult-choice
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Surovikin’s Difficult Choice
Russia Abandons Kherson
Big Serge <-- WHO IS THIS?
Ultimate, there seems to be no deal that satisfies both sides, and this reflects that the innate hostility between the two nations must be resolved on the battlefield. Only Ares can adjudicate this dispute.
As for Ares, he has been hard at work in Pavlovka.
While the world was fixated on the relatively bloodless change of hands in Kherson, Russia and Ukraine fought a bloody battle for Pavlovka, and Russia won. Ukraine also attempted to break Russia’s defenses in the Svatove axis, and was repulsed with heavy casualties. Ultimately, the main reason to doubt news of a secret deal is the fact that the war is continuing on all the other fronts - and Ukraine is losing. This leaves only one option.
Signym, this is a load of bullshit from the anonymous BigSerge. The comment section is pure Russian propaganda:
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To all those who may be dooming or wildly rejoicing. This war is not between Russia and Ukraine. This is not even war, this is a special military operation and for good reason. Let me elaborate. First things first this struggle is between American empire and Russia, not Russia and the west, and certainly not Russia and Ukraine. The empire chose to precipitate matters maybe as an example for China or to have Russia defeated before attacking China. Regardless why, what was intended was for Russia to come in all guns blazing takeover all of Ukraine in short order and THEN get mired in a long bloody insurgency loosing men materiel and treasure. The freezing of assets and overwhelming sanctions would then further deteriorate the internal conditions such as that political instability would set in finally resulting in regime change. Russia could then be raped dismembered devoured by the empire at leisure. This is why the special military operation is a special military operation and not a war. The objective here is not simply to defeat the Ukrainian army, it is rather designed to bring maximum damage to the empire while keeping the costs for Russia manageable. The Russian campaign is running on simmer being careful not to let the situation boil over at any point. The pace of operations is glacial on purpose. The longer the conflict is drawn out the more harm the empire and it's allies will endure. Their policies will result in self inflicted pain, their hubris will not let them walk back to more sensible positions. The empire is trapped in a pit it has dug, its allies are mere hostages. Is there a point of pain that can be reached where the citizens of Europe may demand of their leaders to revolt against the empire? Who knows if such a point exists, if it is reached this winter or the next? However there is another sphere where the battle is taking place and that is in the nation's that are not in the hallowed west. Here in the nations some poor and some not so much an evaluation of prospects is being done. Siding with the west is safe from reprisals but in the emerging economic scenario might be tantamount to suicide. Even the dimmest leaders know their fate if they fail to keep their citizens fed and supplied with essentials. Considerable shifts have already materialised and more are sure to follow as things get tighter. The empire potentially losing European allies or losing influence across the globe are far more valuable objectives than a quick roll up of the Ukrainian army.
Signym, that is a long paragraph, but the propaganda is just getting started:
On the tactical side the Ukrainian leadership continues to throw it's troops onto prepared Russian defences and continues to suffer unfavorable casualty ratio of at least 1 to 5 if not more. Can Ukraine continue this frivolous behaviour for another six months a year two years? Can they continue to be supplied for as long? Can the West ,will the west continue to foot the bill to keep Ukraine running and fighting? How many more Ukrainian refugees wiNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
All you do is post propaganda dude.
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Quote:6ix, it was just last week that you predicted the Democratic Party is dead. Didn't happen. Likewise, the Russian propagandists predict Ukraine is dead and for the same psychological reasons as 6ix shoots his mouth off about Democrats. Russian propagandists don't need to know the truth or even recognize that truth exists because that would slow the rate at which they produce rubbish, falsehoods and subtle deceit for publication. https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2022-midterm-election/
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you do is post propaganda dude.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, it was just last week that you predicted the Democratic Party is dead.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you do is post propaganda dude.
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Mail in fraud is a thing that needs to be taken care of.
Have you stopped to ask yourself just how in the hell the Republicans won the popular vote in the mid-terms? That hasn't happened once before in my life.
All it takes is a bunch of harvested, unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots in swing states to win. You guys have done it twice now.
The funny thing is that you never do it in states like California and New York because you should always win those and look what happened there. A few surprises, huh?
My predictions are sound. You guys keep cheating and you'll get that Civil War you keep talking about. Fuck around and find out.
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Quote:6ix, you are insane. Likewise, Putin is insane but he directs more of his craziness and misunderstanding of reality toward Ukraine than toward Democrats. The two of you, three if you count Signym, have got much in common:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, it was just last week that you predicted the Democratic Party is dead.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you do is post propaganda dude.
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Mail in fraud is a thing that needs to be taken care of.
Have you stopped to ask yourself just how in the hell the Republicans won the popular vote in the mid-terms? That hasn't happened once before in my life.
All it takes is a bunch of harvested, unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots in swing states to win. You guys have done it twice now.
The funny thing is that you never do it in states like California and New York because you should always win those and look what happened there. A few surprises, huh?
My predictions are sound. You guys keep cheating and you'll get that Civil War you keep talking about. Fuck around and find out.
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Russia’s objectives in the war against Ukraine are anything but clear.
They have included “denazification” and “decommunisation”;
ensuring the security of inhabitants of the Donbas;
the demilitarisation and non-admission of Ukraine to Nato;
the return of formerly Russian lands;
the protection of the Russian language;
and even the “saving” of Ukrainian cities from gay parades.
The lack of clearly defined objectives makes the definition of victory uncertain. But this ambiguity also makes the criteria for defeat unclear — let alone one so bad as to endanger Putin. In fact, the Russian president had already survived several serious defeats: the invasion’s opening “blitzkrieg” failed, and Russian troops were forced to retreat from around Kyiv and several other cities. Russia lost the Moskva, the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, and abandoned Snake Island, its first successful capture from the start of the war. After the hasty retreat from the outskirts of Kharkiv, another symbolically important target — the bridge to Crimea — was attacked. Other leaders might have already been toppled by such military failures, but not Putin.
The fact is that Putin’s supporters do not perceive the invasion of Ukraine as an act of aggression. For them, it’s a retaliation against the much more powerful west. Researchers of Russian society are observing a startling paradox. History puts Russia in a row of vast western colonial empires. But after its defeat in the cold war, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic hardships of the 1990s, a growing number of Russians felt they had been reduced to a colony ruled by western forces. They now believe they are casting off the yoke which so humiliated their country and “imposed” capitalism upon it.
In the eyes of dissatisfied Russians, any form of resistance to the west is a victory, almost regardless of the end result. Even in retreat, they will console themselves with the thought of having prevented Russia’s “further enslavement”. This is why there is no direct link between military setbacks and the weakening of Putin’s power. It is as difficult for the president to lose this war as it is to win it. Domestically, even the invasion itself is a sort of victory. Meanwhile, the passive majority can be convinced that any outcome is the best possible one. And the critics will be silenced with repression, just as they are now.
Peace endangers Putin’s status as the challenger of the west. The Russian president is pushed into a virtually endless war for its own sake.
https://www.ft.com/content/01cdcc3e-22b9-4230-ac11-6c7056098f3f
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