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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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SECOND

Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:35 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ted and Second are just too stupid to even have a conversation with. They've been propagandized and conditioned to the point that their brains have leaked out of their ears.

Let me point out the last paragraph I wrote: I'm certain that if Kim Jong-un of North Korea decided to follow Putin's example with Ukraine by invading South Korea, South Korea would be at least as heavily damaged as Ukraine has been damaged. Unfortunately, North Korea would not be more prosperous for having invaded, just as Russia is not more prosperous for invading Ukraine, but with Delusions of Grandeur, physical and economic reality doesn't matter to North Koreans or Russians, since only their easily bruised feelings are real.

6ix, Trumptards have the exact same problem of easily bruised feelings being the only reality for them. Trumptards may be ex-alcoholics who had all their teeth pulled out and are unemployed by their own decisions and at high risk of falling out of the middle-class, but they will always have their over-weaned pride in themselves when Trump returns to the Presidency in 2025.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SECOND

Sunday, October 23, 2022 8:59 PM

This is an amusing change from Russia, as usual, threatening every day to nuke the world. Now it is the Ukrainians who Russia says threaten to nuke the world. I disbelieve Russia:

Oct 23 (Reuters) - Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told his French counterpart in a telephone call on Sunday that the situation in Ukraine was rapidly deteriorating and trending towards "uncontrolled escalation".

In a phone call with French Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu published by the Russian side, Shoigu said Moscow had concerns Ukraine could use a "dirty bomb" in the conflict, without providing evidence to support the suggestion that Ukraine might use such a weapon.

"They discussed the situation in Ukraine which is rapidly deteriorating," the defense ministry said in a readout of the call. "It is trending towards further uncontrolled escalation."

A so-called dirty bomb uses conventional explosives laced with radioactive material.

The defense ministry did not provide any further information on its statement.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-shoigu-warns-uncontrolled
-escalation-ukraine-conflict-2022-10-23/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 23, 2022 9:22 PM

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Originally posted by second:
6ix, Trumptards have the exact same problem of easily bruised feelings being the only reality for them.

You want to see easily bruised feelings. Just hop on Twitter and look at your Leftist hive mind whine day and night about everything. Do it quick too, because we're not going to take anything they say seriously anymore.

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Trumptards may be ex-alcoholics who had all their teeth pulled out and are unemployed by their own decisions and at high risk of falling out of the middle-class, but they will always have their over-weaned pride in themselves when Trump returns to the Presidency in 2025.

I still have 10 teeth left. The dentures are paid for. I haven't had a drink in just shy of 6 years. No self-help books. No religious conversion. No support group. I'm doing fine.

Meanwhile, I haven't had to kiss the boots of a boss for 2 1/2 years... Not that I ever did while I was working anyhow.

While you've been posting all your rah rah Ukraine bullshit from you're mom's basement all summer, I've been spending mine doing what I love and getting a ton accomplished.

Trump destroying Biden in November 2024 will just be sprinkles on a cake that I baked and put the icing on myself.

I'm going to enjoy watching you and Ted cry every day about it for 4 years after I flourished for 4 years under President* Biden* because politics isn't my life and whatever party is in power doesn't distract me or shut me down from completing my own life's goals.

Instead of worrying so much about me and my long-solved dental issues and my alcohol problems that ended nearly 15% of my life ago, might I suggest that you do some serious soul searching and figure out how to improve your own sad situation.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SECOND

Sunday, October 23, 2022 9:48 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Instead of worrying so much about me and my long-solved dental issues and my alcohol problems that ended nearly 15% of my life ago, might I suggest that you do some serious soul searching and figure out how to improve your own sad situation.

You haven't stopped smoking, which will probably shorten your life by 20 years. Those drunk years are not the total years you lose.

The Russians have got a drinking problem, a suicide problem, and an economic problem. Their solution? Blame NATO! It must be a CIA-devised conspiracy that keeps mighty Russia economically weaker than Canada. It couldn't possibly be because Russians are belligerent, stupid jerks who destroy adjacent countries for sport and loot. Similarly, America's angry poor white trash blame their problems on Democrats rather than the CIA. It couldn't be because Trumptards are very much like Trump: cheating on their taxes, cheating on their spouses, being lazy on the job, obese and drunk because their appetites are out of control, etc. Funny how Russians are very similar to Trumptards: Putin worried about alcohol addiction of Russia's top leadership
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/15/7367562/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, October 23, 2022 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Instead of worrying so much about me and my long-solved dental issues and my alcohol problems that ended nearly 15% of my life ago, might I suggest that you do some serious soul searching and figure out how to improve your own sad situation.
You haven't stopped smoking, which will probably shorten your life by 20 years. Those drunk years are not the total years you lose.

Also, none of your fucking business.

My last doctor checkup went great, with 98% oxygen absorption. I get compliments on my physique all the time, and I'm not even working out. I'm just a productive human being unlike your fat, lazy ass that does nothing but complain about your life all day.

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The Russians have got a drinking problem, a suicide problem, and an economic problem. Their solution? Blame NATO! It must be a CIA-devised conspiracy that keeps mighty Russia economically weaker than Canada. It couldn't possibly be because Russians are belligerent, stupid jerks who destroy adjacent countries for sport and loot. Similarly, America's angry poor white trash blame their problems on Democrats rather than the CIA. It couldn't be because Trumptards are very much like Trump: cheating on their taxes, cheating on their spouses, being lazy on the job, obese and drunk because their appetites are out of control, etc. Funny how Russians are very similar to Trumptards: Putin worried about alcohol addiction of Russia's top leadership.

Russians are not a hive mind, you racist, mindless dipshit.

And everybody that doesn't agree with your politics isn't evil either.

You are a moron. You will always be a worthless moron. You are incapable of self-reflection and thus you are doomed to spend the rest of your days blaming everybody else for your own problems instead of fixing things for yourself.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 23, 2022 11:17 PM

Speaking of easily-bruised feelings, SECOND

Back in the global climate change thread .... one of the few threads where we hd a reltively non-toxic discussion (except where you injected it)... there was a conversation that went like this...

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SIGNY: What we COULD do is replace our dark asphalt-based rooftops with white ones and increase the albedo of our cities. Planting urban trees would also make cities more liveable by reducing temperatures and AC usage.

SIX: Lets' just make sure we're not doing it with soft maple garbage trees this time, m-kay?

SIGNY: Hahaha!!!

YOUR response?

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SECOND: Did anybody today tell Signym and 6ix they are worthless?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58012&p=8

Well. Why, yes, son, just about every time you post!
I mean, WTH was THAT all about? Seems like YOUR feelings get bruised all the time, and not from anything WE post but just bc you're a conflicted, vindictive prick who feels the need to diss and harass anyone who AGREES with you! You despise yourself so terribly you project that onto everybody else?

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Sunday, October 23, 2022 11:36 PM

Meanswhile, instead of turning this into (yetanother) thread about SECOND (dragging, as he does, every thread he posts into about how much he despises everyone who isn't him)...

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Massive New Strikes' Leave 1.5 Million Ukrainians Without Power, Phased Blackouts In Kiev
Sunday, Oct 23, 2022 - 09:00 AM

Now much of Western Ukraine, which lies far away from the front lines of fighting with Russia in the east, is without power due to fresh weekend airstrikes across the country.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a Saturday night address said new "massive" strikes targeted Dnipropetrovsk, Khmelnytsky, Kirovohrad, Mykolaiv, Odessa, Rivne, Volyn and Zaporizhia regions.

"We continue eliminating the aftermath of today’s terrorist attacks on our infrastructure," Zelensky said. "The geography of this new massive strike is very wide."...

On Saturday the national power utility operator Ukrenergo said that damage from the latest round of Russian strikes set a new record. The Saturday air offensive by Russia was bigger than an initial major wave of strikes from earlier this month:

Over 1.4 million Ukrainian households have lost electricity after a morning of repeated Russian air raids, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's office says.

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that 40 cruise missiles and 16 allegedly Iranian-made drones hit Ukraine throughout the day.

Oleksandr Kharchenko, a Ukrainian energy official, said in an interview with US media that national infrastructure vital for the people is facing "really huge trouble".

"When you don't have electricity in a city, it means you have no water, you have no supply of gas, you have nothing," Kharchenko said. Days prior to the stepped-up Saturday assault the government said one-third of all power stations had been hit or damaged in Russian strikes.

It's a darn good thing that Russia has run out of missiles. Otherwise, just imagine the damage they could do!

Not sure why focus on Kiev's electrical infrastrucure. I suppose that this is one way to degrade not only Kiev's military capability w/o killing too many civilins (Their trains - used to transport troops and weaponry and munitions- are all electrical. Another disadvantage of all-electric transportation, since it depends on a functioning power grid) but also Kiev's air defenses. It also lowers morale since the troops wil be worried about the folks back home.

But I guess I'm puzzled by this tactic. One possible explanation is that a fair portion of the power grid is owned and controlled by one of Kiev's pro-war oligarchs... Ahkmetov (?)... and that Ukraine actually exported electricity until recently bc the Soviets built overcapacity/redundancy into the system, and with Ukraine's ongoing de-industrialization and depopulation Ukraine's overcapacity was estimated to be as high as 50%. The closest analogy I can think of is how Russia attacked ISIS' oil tanker convoys into Turkey, depriving both ISIS and Erdogan of a large source of income and making the war less profitable for both.

Anyway, I wonder about this approach and what comes next.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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SIGNYM

Monday, October 24, 2022 3:51 AM

Stoltenberg (NATO), Ursula van der Crazy (EU) and British politicians have repeatedly bannered that the war in Ukraine is "existential" for them.

Well, that's just plainly wrong. Ukraine isn't a member of either NATO or the EU (or Great Britain!) and they would continue with or without Ukraine. The only reason this is such a cause for them is because they said so, with their statments. Talk about "painting yourself into a corner"!

So, what will they do when they lose? (And they WILL lose any conventional war.)

Well, maybe this...

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"Russia Warns Of 'Dirty Bomb' False Flag Plot In Flurry Of Rare Calls To Western Leaders
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Sunday, Oct 23, 2022 - 08:45 PM

Update(1645ET): A major new and sensational charge of a Ukrainian false flag plot in the making issued by Russia's defense chief has set off a string of tit-for-tat accusations and statements Sunday.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed in rare phone calls that included his counterparts from the United States, Britain, France, and Turkey that Ukrainian forces are preparing a "provocation" with a radioactive device. A Kremlin statement cited that he conveyed a warning over "possible Ukrainian provocations involving a 'dirty bomb'".

Shoigu's office said in follow-up that he conveyed the warning to all the above-named countries' defense chiefs. As for his conversation with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, it was the second phone call in merely three days. The Pentagon in the hours after said Austin told Shoigu he "rejected any pretext for Russian escalation" - which strongly suggests the US perceives that Moscow is about to heighten attacks on Ukrainian cities further:

*Russian authorities repeatedly have made allegations that Ukraine could detonate a dirty bomb in a false flag attack and blame it on Moscow. Ukrainian authorities, in turn, have accused the Kremlin of hatching such a plan.*

The Kremlin is further charging that this low-intensity nuclear provocation is being prepared with the help of Great Britain; however, the Western allies have said no evidence whatsoever was presented in the phone calls alongside the accusations.

The UK defense ministry said in its statement following Shoigu's phone call with Secretary Ben Wallace that the Russian side "alleged that Ukraine was planning actions facilitated by Western countries, including the UK, to escalate the conflict in Ukraine."

* "The Defense Secretary refuted these claims and cautioned that such allegations should not be used as a pretext for greater escalation," the ministry said.*

Russia is saying that such a 'dirty bomb' detonation, which would spread radioactive waste and potentially contaminate large urban areas, would then be blamed on Moscow in order to justify greater Western intervention.

Ukraine, for its part, blasted what the presidency's office called an "absolute and quite predictable absurdity" and blatant "lie". France too agreed with Ukraine's assessment, and a statement from the French Foreign Ministry has ominously warned that the crisis is "trending towards uncontrollable escalation." But Macron on Sunday admitted that "peace is possible" - yet it depends on when the Ukrainians "decide it".

* Who exactly endowed this person with the authority to decide when the US must launch World War III on his behalf https://t.co/GYc98QnH89
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) October 23, 2022*

Meanwhile, Zelensky's own rhetoric urging Western military intervention has escalated as well, all of which strongly suggests the war will soon grow hotter.

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Now much of Western Ukraine, which lies far away from the front lines of fighting with Russia in the east, is without power due to fresh weekend airstrikes across the country.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a Saturday night address said new "massive" strikes targe

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SECOND

Monday, October 24, 2022 5:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Also, none of your fucking business.

Russians are not a hive mind, you racist, mindless dipshit.

And everybody that doesn't agree with your politics isn't evil either.

You are a moron. You will always be a worthless moron. You are incapable of self-reflection and thus you are doomed to spend the rest of your days blaming everybody else for your own problems instead of fixing things for yourself.

There are limits on people and even nations. I've been to enough hospitals visiting Trumptards who recognized no limits on their behavior, whether eating, drinking, smoking, or speeding, no limits other than what was physically possible. The Trumptards shortened their lives by decades because their ideas of freedom don't include limits other than the absolute hardest ones that stop you dead today, like drinking until your blood alcohol level causes you to go to sleep in a snowdrift and freeze. There are lesser amounts of alcohol, over longer times, that will shorten your life, by driving drunk or by cirrhosis. Nations also go to excess. Eventually, despite believing the nation is free to do as it pleases, nations end up in the hospital. Russia and America, for decades, have been very ill because both have overexercised their freedom to invade.

Doomed to failure: Russia failed to heed lessons from history before invading Ukraine

Eight years in Vietnam. (a reference to America in the original opinion)

Nine years in Afghanistan. (a reference to Russia)

Twenty years in Afghanistan. (a reference to America)

Eight years in Iraq. (another American reference)

Eight months and counting in Ukraine. (Russia)

How long does it take for a great power to develop military amnesia?

Russia and America, the two former Cold War superpowers, should be better positioned than any other nations to understand the high costs – in money, equipment, reputation, and worst of all lives – of fighting an extended war in which too many locals see you as murderous occupiers.

Lessons Russia should have learned

Among all nations, Russia should understand the danger of unpopular foreign intervention: For almost three years, from June 1941 to December 1944, Hitler’s Nazi army laid waste to large swaths of the Soviet Union during what Russians still call the Great Patriot War.

Historians’ analyses of why Hitler’s Russia invasion failed carry eerie echoes of current experts’ analyses of the mistakes Vladimir Putin has made in invading Ukraine: There was poor strategic planning. The Germans had no long-range plans for the invasion’s aftermath. Hitler believed that the Russians would capitulate quickly after the shock of initial losses. Most important, he failed to understand the primordial power of one word – “??????” or Motherland – for Russians: They were determined to defend their Motherland at all costs.

No one knows when it will happen, but the history of great powers’ military occupations suggests that Russian troops will eventually leave Ukraine in defeat. There are different scenarios of what will happen on the road to defeat, from Putin dying or being overthrown to him declaring a false victory and withdrawing to still more months of bombing and killing.

Following his nation’s monumental sacrifices, there is no chance that Zelenskyy will accept a negotiated peace that leaves the Kremlin in control of the territories it has seized. Putin’s veiled threat of using tactical nuclear weapons is the empty bluff of a poker player holding a weak hand.

The Kremlin’s final failure is in the cards for one simple but powerful reason: Russia’s will to conquer is weaker than Ukraine’s will to save its homeland.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2022/10/23/russia-ukraine-war-i
gnores-lessons-history/10486631002/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Monday, October 24, 2022 7:00 PM

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6IXSTRINGJACK:

Also, none of your fucking business.
Russians are not a hive mind, you racist, mindless dipshit.
And everybody that doesn't agree with your politics isn't evil either.

You are a moron. You will always be a worthless moron. You are incapable of self-reflection and thus you are doomed to spend the rest of your days blaming everybody else for your own problems instead of fixing things for yourself.

SECOND; blah blah blah ... Nations also go to excess. Eventually, despite believing the nation is free to do as it pleases, nations end up in the hospital. Russia and America, for decades, have been very ill because both have overexercised their freedom to invade.

Doomed to failure: Russia failed to heed lessons from history before invading Ukraine

Eight years in Vietnam. (a reference to America in the original opinion)

Nine years in Afghanistan. (a reference to Russia)

Twenty years in Afghanistan. (a reference to America)

Eight years in Iraq. (another American reference)

Eight months and counting in Ukraine. (Russia)

How long does it take for a great power to develop military amnesia?

Let's see... America's 28 years v Russia's eight.

I'll bet, if you add up ALL of our invasions and nation-destruction since 1950 and compare it to Russia's, "We're number 1!"

I'll also bet that you'll delete this from your memory and contradict it some time in the next three posts.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake