What is Putin's end game?
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Quote:What the Russian Invasion Teaches Us About the Right
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
From the poster who whines daily about the lack of "real conversation." I think you must not have gotten enough attention as a child. That's not a dis. You couldn't help that. But this incessant lying... damn. It's like you use it as a defense, to put people off. Ironically, it only invites more conflict. A self created vicious circle. I know people like that in RL. They can't keep a job and after they lose each one they always blame the company or their old boss. Always. Life's ups and downs - always someone else's fault. They never see how it's them. And yet the same conflicts follow them through out their entire life. I mean, if your past the age of 35 and still have no idea... You could live to be 500 and you'd still being lying about Russia. And for why? Fckske - I just noticed you've been posting here for 20 years! And you're still at it! So desperate to defend Russia. Maybe in another 20 years you'll find the courage to tell us why?
https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/the-third-rail/6234aa276c908600205
16e75/republican-conspiracy-russia-ukraine/
Signym and 6ix are contrarians. Whatever position the MSM takes, contrarians take the opposite position. The whole essay is about contrarianism.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Most people don’t remember why Trump was impeached the first time. When asked, just a quarter of respondents said “Ukraine,” and only 3% mentioned Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy by name.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quit spreading your fear porn, loser.
Yeah. You're talking to one of the 3%.
In fact you're talking to the 3% of the 3% that knew because they remembered and didn't need the Legacy Media to remind them.
In any case, this is yet another reply you've made that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
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P.S. When Trump was President, little-boy, U.S. plant, wannabe president* Zelensky wore suits.
In Biden*world, it appears that Zelensky's competing with Logan and Jake Paul for World's Biggest Streaming Douchebag.
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Quote:6ix, for mentally ill dim-bulbs like yourself and Trumptards I know in Texas, nothing is connected, nothing is understood, their problems last a lifetime, getting worse as the Trumptard gets older. Meanwhile, other people, Mitt Romney for example, see the obvious and strong connections between a war in Ukraine, Putin and Trump: Mitt Romney's remarks on impeachment vote
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
In any case, this is yet another reply you've made that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
The grave question the Constitution tasks senators to answer is whether the President committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a “high crime and misdemeanor.”
Yes, he did.
The President asked a foreign government ( Ukraine's President Zelenskyy ) to investigate his political rival.
The President withheld vital military funds from that government to press it to do so.
The President delayed funds for an American ally at war with Russian invaders (Putin).
The President’s purpose was personal and political.
Accordingly, the President is guilty of an appalling abuse of the public trust.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/05/mitt-romney-impeachment-vote-
speech-transcript-110849
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Originally posted by second:
Meanwhile, other people, Mitt Romney for example, see the obvious and strong connections between a war in Ukraine, Putin and Trump: Mitt Romney's remarks on impeachment vote
Any time you make an argument and the absolute worst people from the Right side of the aisle echo it, you look like a bigger hypocrite and asshole than you did the day before.
Tell me again about how John Bolton and John McCain were great men.
Unfortunately, I didn't archive links of you and Ted blowing both of them too because archiving and cataloging every dumb-shit hypocritical thing that you've said over the years would be a full time job, so I just stuck mainly with the violent and pathological.
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A sobering note from Finland about America's role in causing Putin to invade Ukraine
Published tonight by Josh Marshall for Talking Points Memo, an accusation and a plea.
Translated into rough English, from a Finnish TPM member who believes that the U.S. has yet to come to terms with the role we’ve played in providing the backdrop for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. His thesis is that Russia has viewed the U.S. as a “back door” towards weakening Europe and NATO in its reaction to the invasion.
I understand you would like to see your heroic country as the navel of the world and as the main focus of any operation, but I am sorry to inform that, in this case, you are only cheap tools. You had to be weakened (and Britain manipulated to Brexit etc) in order to facilitate invasions to Ukraine, Belarussia and a list of other neighboring pieces of land in Putin’s future Menu.
So, as a KGB officer would plan, they came exactly from the opposite direction than where they were expected. They professionally built an operation web among the rural redneck cowboys, evangelical Christians, the NRA, the most republican of all republicans, your law enforcement, some military people, big business etc etc. They popped up to the surface from within the “core Americans”, but their long dive before that was planned and had started from the Kremlin’s operation board.
The contention is that the insurrection of Jan. 6 was a seminal moment for Putin’s security services.
Had Trump succeeded to keep in power, the march of Putin to various targets in the Eastern Europe would have been more like an easy summer parade. NATO would be partially paralyzed by his loyal friends in the White House (who likely would have got their personal share of the profits).
Can’t really argue with that.
The TPM member suggests that Russia is still watching the U.S. internal response very carefully, noting that no one in the Trump administration has yet been held accountable for Jan. 6. This evidently makes quite the impression on the rest of the world, including those who are tasked with promoting Russia’s territorial ambitions.
The TPM member continues:
So, if you really want to do something for the Ukraine, for the Europe and to any other decent country or person, please also Do. Your. Own. Homework! Show to both your home audience and to the rest of the world that also the western flank of Putin’s army, the one located in your country, is kept accountable! No special treatment, just f**king enforce your old existing laws to ultra-rich/influential white dudes, as well! You are just tools, but you are very important tools for Putin also in the European front. Don’t let him use you.
Department of Justice? What say you???
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/19/2086972/-Damn-A-sobering-no
te-from-Finland-about-America-s-role-in-all-of-this
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lol
Fuck DailyKos.
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Quote:The Putin's end game:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
Fuck DailyKos.
At Russia’s military cathedral, Orthodox Christians keep faith in Putin
"I know that the Bible tells us not to kill, but Orthodoxy has always allowed Russia to defend itself against its enemies. This has been true throughout history."
Her comments were echoed by Anatoly, a 66-year-old former Soviet soldier.
“The enemy is at our gate. This isn't a case when we can turn the other cheek,” he said. “We have put up with eight years of outrages from Ukraine, including all their gay parades. No country would tolerate this on its borders!”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/at-russias-military-cathedral-ortho
dox-christians-keep-faith-in-putin-jk7b027mp
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, you're such a bullshit artist, SECOND. If civilians get killed it doesn't mean that civilians are DELIBERATELY targeted. Surely, as a person who used to shoot at people from a helicopter, you should know the difference!
This is, after all, war and people do get killed.
Correct Polish Russian Collaborator Signym. But, when people are being targeted, they are comrade, being targeted. And in the Ukraine Putin's army are following his instructions to kill civilians.
Now I know the Russian army can't fight but where the bombs are landing is evidence enough it is deliberate.
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Look it all those bullshit words spewing out!
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How vaccination status might predict views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine
with the unvaxxed being 12x more likely to say Putin is justified in invading Ukraine.
The Line Canada — its distinctive flag, depicting a red line through a black circle, visible during the Ottawa protest — tweeted unsubstantiated allegations Tuesday that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a “lunatic” courting a world war and Ukraine is producing illegal bioweapons. Awake Canada, a self-described “civil rights” group that opposes pandemic mandates and has more than 116,000 followers on Facebook and Twitter, compares NATO to Nazi Germany, while No More Lockdowns — the anti-COVID-mandate group associated with its de facto leader MPP Randy Hillier — pushed the conspiracy that the invasion is an attempt to stop a new world order.
“I saw it almost immediately, within days of the invasion, people supporting it and some quite stridently,” said Timothy Caulfield, a Canada Research Chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta who has studied the rise and spread of conspiracy theories. “It was pro-Russia, pro-Putin, it was the same kind of dogmatic language you heard from the anti-vaxxers about the alleged harms associated with vaccines. And it was almost immediate and it was from the same crowd.”
Graves said those with three vaccine doses rejected disinformation about vaccines, supported public health measures including vaccine passports, and expressed support for Ukraine.
He said the survey shows that with fewer doses, acceptance of disinformation grows, as does sympathy for the Russian invasion.
https://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/2022/03/19/how-vaccination
-status-might-predict-views-on-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine.html
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RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF DEFENSE BRIEFINGS
March 21, 2022 32
https://t.me/mod_russia_en/313
Units of the Russian Armed Forces advanced another 4 kilometers overnight and completely took control of Sladkoe. Currently, scattered groups of the nationalist battalion “Donbass” are being destroyed.
The grouping of troops of the Donetsk People’s Republic completes the defeat of the remnants of the 53rd mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, developing an offensive in Novomikhailovka direction.
In total, up to 50 militants, 3 tanks, 4 infantry fighting vehicles, 2 field artillery mountsand 4 all-terrain vehicles were destroyed in this area overnight.
In addition, units of the Donetsk Republic are fighting with units of the 25th airborne brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the capture of Verkhnetoretskoye is being completed.
In Nikolaevka in the suburbs of Kiev, Russian servicemen took control of a protected, buried command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. 61 Ukrainian servicemen of the command post voluntarily surrendered, among them more than half were senior officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
On the night of March 21, high-precision air-launched cruise missiles struck the Training Centre for Foreign Mercenaries and Ukrainian Nationalist Formations at Novaya Lyubomirka combined arms training ground in Rovenskaya region. More than 80 mercenaries and nationalists were killed.
Also, high-precision air-launched cruise missiles destroyed an ammunition depot and the headquarters of a mechanized brigade near Selets.
A group of “Night Hunters” consisting of Ka-52 and Mi-28n helicopters destroyed 8 tanks, 4 infantry fighting vehicles and 3 armored personnel carriers during night strikes.
Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 44 military assets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Among them: 4 command posts, 2 multiple launch rocket systems near Nalivaykovka and Zolocheva, 6 Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3 artillery mounts near Vyshgorod, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots, as well as 23 areas of military equipment concentration.
Russian air defence means shot down 2 more Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle in the air over Chernobayevka and Circuny.
In total, 216 unmanned aerial vehicles, 180 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,506 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 152 multiple launch rocket systems, 592 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,284 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.
In Sumy, a planned provocation of Ukrainian nationalists was carried out at night. The Russian Defence Ministry officially warned about this provocation a few days ago.
According to the head of Sumy regional Administration, there was an ammonia leak at Sumyhimprom plant. There is no threat to the residents of Sumy, since the air masses were moving “not towards the city.”
Let me remind you that back on March 19, we officially warned about the mining of this enterprise by Ukrainian nationalists to commit a provocation in order to accuse Russia of allegedly using “chemical weapons”.
I want to emphasize once again that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have not planned and are not striking any Ukrainian facilities for the storage or production of toxic substances. The coordinates of all such objects and data on the toxic substances stored there on the territory of Ukraine were obtained by us during the seizure of the combat documentation of the 4th Brigade of the Ukrainian National Guard.
The Kiev nationalist regime is directly responsible for any possible incidents with Ukrainian storage facilities of toxic substances.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en/318
Ukrainian nationalists continue to use residential areas of settlements and social facilities as a “human shield” to deploy their artillery systems and conduct massive fire on Russian servicemen.
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Originally posted by second:
with the unvaxxed being 12x more likely to say Putin is justified in invading Ukraine.
Bullshit.
This is just the Paid Liars trying to paint people who don't buy their lies have something wrong with them. Mika is just mad that she's failing at her job and she's not able to tell everyone what they should think. The Davos Group hasn't been able to hack everyone's brains yet.
There's not even a war going on right now, so you dumb shits on both sides are morons.
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Autocracy’s Fatal Flaws
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/autocracys-fatal-flaws
' The forces that are going to beat Russia this time around are the same ones that beat Russia last time around. '
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Quote:Which forces "beat Russia last time"?
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Autocracy’s Fatal Flaws
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/autocracys-fatal-flaws
' The forces that are going to beat Russia this time around are the same ones that beat Russia last time around. '
I don't recall Russia being defeated recently.
In fact, Russia was victorious over the Nazis, Napoleon, the Brits, Swedes, Turks, etc. going far back into history, so please clarify this bullshit article.
Oh, BTW your other bullshit article about 9,000 Russians killed. . unreliable source, which removed the figure later. Even "US intelligence" - a notorious source of lies- doesn't estimate the figures THAT high.
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A pro-Kremlin tabloid, Komsomolskaya Pravda, on Monday reported that almost 10,000 Russian troops had been killed in the war in Ukraine — before quickly deleting the numbers from the site. Komsomolskaya Pravda later released a statement claiming it was hacked.
Before the figures were removed, the tabloid cited the Russian Ministry of Defense as the source. The report said that 9,861 Russian troops had died and 16,153 had been injured since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the unprovoked invasion in late February.
These numbers are far higher than what had been reported by the Russian government, and it was unclear if they were accurate. Previously, Russia's Ministry of Defense reported that 498 Russian troops had been killed. And a recent US intelligence estimate placed the Russian death toll in Ukraine at roughly 7,000.
For perspective, there were 2,461 US soldiers killed in America's 20-year war in Afghanistan. Putin's war in Ukraine is roughly a month old.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pro-kremlin-tabloid-nearly-10000-russi
an-troops-killed-ukraine-2022-3?op=1
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Which forces "beat Russia last time"?
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Autocracy’s Fatal Flaws
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/03/autocracys-fatal-flaws
' The forces that are going to beat Russia this time around are the same ones that beat Russia last time around. '
I don't recall Russia being defeated recently.
In fact, Russia was victorious over the Nazis, Napoleon, the Brits, Swedes, Turks, etc. going far back into history, so please clarify this bullshit article.
As is Putin so is comrade Sigman.
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Mehdi Hasan Introduces You To Putin’s Favorite Fascist Philosopher
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More failed mind-reading from a failed idiot.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
More failed mind-reading from a failed idiot.
Says the failed fascist who claims to live in America and refuses to live in Russia herself. Enjoy your freedoms comrade because your countrymen from your homeland know no such freedoms.
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Putin’s Rhetoric Indicates He Wants The Whole Country' Says Gen. McCaffrey
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Quote:My countrymen are Americans
SignyM: More failed mind-reading from a failed idiot.
THUGR: Says the failed fascist who claims to live in America and refuses to live in Russia herself. Enjoy your freedoms comrade because your countrymen from your homeland know no such freedoms.
More failed mind reading from a failed idiot.
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Putin started out from the first saying he wants to neutralize and de-Nazify Ukraine
Not "part" of Ukraine, ALL of Ukraine.
He also does not want to "occupy" Ukraine.
If you understoid what people say you wouldn't be so terminally confused.
Not just you, THUGR. A lot of ppl seem to be terminally confused! And then they start plugging their own stupid answers into their own stupid questions,bc they didn't catch the answer the first 20 times it was given.
The answer:
Neutralize.
De-Nazify.
Capisce?
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Biden confirms Russia used hypersonic missile, says Putin’s ‘back is against the wall’
https://nypost.com/2022/03/21/biden-russia-used-hypersonic-missile-put
ins-back-is-against-the-wall/
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Biden confirms Russia used hypersonic missile, says Putin’s ‘back is against the wall’
https://nypost.com/2022/03/21/biden-russia-used-hypersonic-missile-put
ins-back-is-against-the-wall/
Biden* doesn't even know what fucking year it is.
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Until now, Ive hesitated posting anything with Gonzalo Lira in it because I had no verification that he was who he said he was, where he said he was: An English-speaking resident of Karkhov, with many friends and acquaintences in Ukraine. It wasn't until he live-streamed from Ukraine and I saw something other than a man in a featureless hotel room that I thought his identity was somewhat verified.
Quote:[Russian strategy]
The destruction of armies rather than the capture of cities
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Quote:What does Putin mean when he "neutralizes" a Nazi? Is a neutralized Nazi a dead Nazi? Jailed Nazi? Deported Nazi? Disenfranchised Nazi? What does Putin mean when he says "neutralized"? And even more important, how many Nazis will Putin "neutralize" or "De-Nazify"?
Originally posted by SignyM:
Putin started out from the first saying he wants to neutralize and de-Nazify Ukraine
Not "part" of Ukraine, ALL of Ukraine.
He also does not want to "occupy" Ukraine.
If you understoid what people say you wouldn't be so terminally confused.
Not just you, THUGR. A lot of ppl seem to be terminally confused! And then they start plugging their own stupid answers into their own stupid questions,bc they didn't catch the answer the first 20 times it was given.
The answer:
Neutralize.
De-Nazify.
Capisce?
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I gave up on the Duran, there was always something weird Orthodox Greek about them now they sound like Ruskie shills
Not that I think they should be censored, I guess you can always have a 'possible misinformation warning on vids' and its ok to have open debate and other voices
Macgregor thinks the War Can Not be Won?
Seems not many different opinions are out there maybe Tusli, Tucker, Bannon? An alternative voice who isn't Russia today
I wanted some India Hindu Nationalist type news they seem to be almost Pro-Russia
Macgregor says a wider disaster is coming, a retired U.S. Army Colonel and government official, almost served as ambassador to Germany but Senate blocked him, he directed the Battle of 73 Easting" during the Gulf War.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/03/16/macgregor_putin_war
ned_against_the_natoization_of_russias_borders_and_no_one_listened_to_him.html
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/wa
tch-fox-reporter-scolds-col-macgregor-for-sounding-like-a-putin-apologist
https://www.newsweek.com/liz-cheney-blasts-putin-wing-gop-macgregor-ze
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Putin started out from the first saying he wants to neutralize and de-Nazify Ukraine
Not "part" of Ukraine, ALL of Ukraine.
He also does not want to "occupy" Ukraine.
If you understoid what people say you wouldn't be so terminally confused.
Not just you, THUGR. A lot of ppl seem to be terminally confused! And then they start plugging their own stupid answers into their own stupid questions,bc they didn't catch the answer the first 20 times it was given.
The answer:
Neutralize.
De-Nazify.
Capisce?
Yeah, we capisce. It's cover that the dull part (majority) of the Russian population will accept. Using a lie 20 times doesn't make it make sense. And we know you don't believe it nor can you justify it. Go ahead try: why now? What made Russia suddenly afraid of nazis in Ukraine? Why ALL of Ukraine?
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Putin started out from the first saying he wants to neutralize and de-Nazify Ukraine
Not "part" of Ukraine, ALL of Ukraine.
He also does not want to "occupy" Ukraine.
If you understoid what people say you wouldn't be so terminally confused.
Not just you, THUGR. A lot of ppl seem to be terminally confused! And then they start plugging their own stupid answers into their own stupid questions,bc they didn't catch the answer the first 20 times it was given.
The answer:
Neutralize.
De-Nazify.
Capisce?
Yeah, we capisce. It's cover that the dull part (majority) of the Russian population will accept. Using a lie 20 times doesn't make it make sense. And we know you don't believe it nor can you justify it. Go ahead try: why now? What made Russia suddenly afraid of nazis in Ukraine? Why ALL of Ukraine?
The optimum way to de-Nazify would be to have a Jew running the country. Oh wait, there is a Jew running Ukraine.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
What made Russia suddenly afraid of nazis in Ukraine?
I think Vladimir Putin has lost his mind
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Originally posted by THG:
Oh wait, there is a Jew running Ukraine.
Being a Jew does not automatically make someone 'Not-A-Nazi' there were Jews who helped the German-Polish that ran concentration camps, there were Jews that helped found Communism and there were Jewish that became fascist, even the leftwings loved Soros who was around fascist Europe said it was the happiest time of his life, there are also many different sects and tribe of Jew including godless types
I'm not saying Zelenskiy is whatever
Facts show Putin is the criminal, Russia is the invader and the killer
I am saying I find the worship of Zelenskiy strange they are trying to build him up like he's Douglas MacArthur, George S. Patton, Churchill or Washington maybe even a 'Moshe Dayan' that guy with the patch on his eye and and clearly he's not any of these guys.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz!
Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?
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The heads begin to roll in Russia
European media report that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the house arrest of two senior Federal Security Service (FSB) officers. Colonel-General Sergei Beseda, Chief of the FSB's "Fifth Service," reportedly was detained along with his deputy, Anatoly Bolyuk, charged with providing flawed intelligence about Ukraine and their improper use of operational funds. Separately, Oleksiy Danilov, Ukraine's national security council chief, claimed that several Russian generals have been fired. The implications portend more suffering yet to come, but likewise opportunities to increase pressure on the Russian leader from within.
Perhaps emulating Joseph Stalin, this could be the onset of a purge and Putin's desperate ploy to provide his domestic audience with a fall guy for self-inflicted wounds. His call to rid Russia of "scum and traitors" as "a necessary self-purification of society" might be Putin's theatrical unveiling of not merely a further crackdown against the Russian people, but also his version of a "cultural revolution" to bring further to heel those around him on whom he has counted to take and maintain power. If I were one of the oligarchs or "siloviki," those from Russia's intelligence services who profiteered on Putin's kleptocracy, I'd be more than just a little worried.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-heads-begin-to-roll-in-rus
sia/ar-AAVm1nK?ocid=msedgntp
Not a good time to be a Russian general aye comrade Signym. Actually, it's not a good time to be anything Russian. Aye comrade...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-heads-begin-to-roll-in-rus
sia/ar-AAVm1nK?ocid=msedgntp
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At this point, it needs to be asked...
Exactly how many Russians fucked your whore of a mother, Ted?
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The heads begin to roll in Russia
European media report that ... Separately, Oleksiy Danilov, Ukraine's national security council chief, claimed that ...
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At this point, it needs to be asked...
Exactly how many Russians fucked your whore of a mother, Ted?
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It's like OCD on crack.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like OCD on crack.
The second time in a few short weeks that I got an out-loud laugh from this site!
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Biden heads to high-stakes NATO summit amid showdown with Putin over Ukraine
https://www.aol.com/news/biden-heads-high-stakes-nato-090545506.html
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Russian Warships Shelling Towns Near Odesa as Naval Activity Increasers in Northern Black Sea
https://news.usni.org/2022/03/16/russian-warships-shelling-towns-near-
odesa-as-naval-activity-increasers-in-northern-black-sea
Live updates: Russian ships shelling port city of Mariupol
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Live-updates-Russia-stops-talk
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Quote:6ix has complained at least 3 times that Ukraine President Zelenskyy doesn't dress well for his public appearances. In contrast, Putin dressed the best:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like OCD on crack.
The second time in a few short weeks that I got an out-loud laugh from this site!
Vladimir Putin wore a $14,000 puffer jacket to promote his invasion of Ukraine
While everyday Russians have seen their wealth plummet as the ruble collapses and major foreign brands leave the country, Vladimir Putin has had no qualms showing off his lavish and luxurious wardrobe.
Putin attended a political rally last week to commemorate Russia’s 2014 invasion of Crimea recently donning a down puffer jacket that appears to be from Loro Piana and which sells for nearly $14,000. “We have not had unity like this for a long time,” he told a cheering crowd.
Putin’s fashion choice did not go over well with everyone.
Putin appears to be a fan of the Italian label—he previously was spotted in a $1,425 cashmere-and-silk jogger pants made by the brand, and in general, seems to favor Italian craftsmanship. He has worn outfits from Kiton and Brioni (suits at both start in the thousands, but can easily run up in the tens of thousands). For accessories, he often turns to Valentino ties and Ferragamo shoes with the occasional pair from British shoemaker John Lobb.
He’s also been documented over the years in a range of rare and valuable watches including pieces from Patek Philippe, A. Lange & Sohne, Breguet and Blancpain. In 2017, Putin reportedly sold his Patek Philippe 5208P, which is only available by invitation to VIP clients, for $1.2 million.
The autocrat has been known to give luxury watches away as gifts, including taking watches off his own wrist to give a Blancpain worth around $10,500 to a Siberian boy in 2009. That same year, he also gave a similar watch to a factory worker who complained of hardship.
Zelenskyy: Servant of the People
Putin’s luxurious wardrobe contrasts to Ukrainian president’s humble attire since the war broke out. Young and social media savvy, the former comedian is often dressed in solid army green-colored tees, strategically giving updates to Ukrainians from Kyiv or the frontlines to boost morale.
More at https://qz.com/2145468/putin-wore-a-14000-puffer-jacket-to-ukraine-inv
asion-rally/
Either Putin wins in Ukraine or else he loses a luxurious lifestyle. That's Putin's endgame.
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The debate has de-evolved into who wears the best Hugo Boss Nazi Outfit
Who is best dressed?
I think we should do a song
Clothes always fit ya
Life is a pop of the cherry when you're a boy. When you're a boy, you can wear a uniform. When you're a boy, other boys check you out
She's not sure if you're a boy or a girl...Hey, babe, your hair's alright
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fashion
Yeah that's a better song?
Fashion! Turn to the left
Fashion! Turn to the right
We are the goon squad and we're coming to town
G Major Seven, G,
F Major with a Minor 7th, Fadd9
Beep-beep
D Minor B flat Major A Flat B Flat Major D Minor
Fadd9
A Sharp Major G Sharp
Beep-beep
Fashion! Turn to the left
Fashion! Turn to the right
We are the goon squad and we're coming to town
perhaps ends on C Major I don't remember it that well, might have to pull out an instrument
Richard Levine started wearing a dress like that dude from MASH, mentally ill Rachel Levine is Jewish and grew up attending Hebrew school, he / she / iot became an Admiral and the emotionally disturbed assistant secretary of health in the Biden Kamala Admin.
In nu-regressive Internet has banned the older Common Sense Comedy interwebs for Naming Levine 'Man of the Year'
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like OCD on crack.
The second time in a few short weeks that I got an out-loud laugh from this site!
Well if they're just going to continue to act like clowns, the only thing they deserve is for us to clown them.
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Zelenskyy: Servant of the People
Zelensky: Puppet Biden*'s Ukraine Puppet.
Also, the extra Y is superfluous.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like OCD on crack.
The second time in a few short weeks that I got an out-loud laugh from this site!
What is Putin's end game? POSTED BY: CAPTAINCRUNCH
After he stops crying he plans on running just as fast as he can G. The Ukrainian offensive, their counter attack, is kicking the shit out of the Russians. All those who report on the war standing at a map is going to show just how successful the Ukrainians have been
Hey Signym, tick tock comrade I told you so.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's like OCD on crack.
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The broken mind to the kid chaotic Russian Army. Quelle sont les victoires de Napoléon, the French leader who fought across Europe and into Eurasia. Napoleon Bonaparte "In war, the moral is to the physical as three is to one."
Local militia the Guerrilla warfare is working a form of irregular warfare that is costing Russians. The reddit style jihad Mercs are idiots they are doing more harm to both sides it seems. Putin is a disaster now but the Kamala Harris and Biden's White House is in shambles, the War will drag on a while, Ukraine people will suffer under terrible conditions, Russian military will go broke trying to hold land they can not, Putin's ape like leadership, an idiot with expensive toys of death will have them bogged down.
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How Putin became the victim of his own lies. Vladimir Putin and the dangers of yes-men.
Sean Illing: I’ve been working on a book that makes an inverse argument about democratic systems: The Paradox of Democracy -- Free Speech, Open Media, and Perilous Persuasion
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo146792768.html
Democracies contain the seeds of their own destruction in the sense that their openness unleashes forces that often undermine the very freedom on which they depend, and you’re saying that closed totalitarian systems also implode from within precisely because they’re too closed. I’m curious what, if anything, you make of that?
Brian Klaas: Oh, that’s interesting. The unifying thread is that it’s really important to have a shared sense of reality in any political system. What’s happened to Putin is that he’s succumbed to a fake reality that he himself created, and then he’s had that reality mirrored back at him by people who are afraid to tell him the truth.
In the United States, for example, you have people who find it politically advantageous to lie about the world. Many of these people understand what’s actually happening, but they also find that it’s in their political self-interest to construct and parrot this fake reality back to their own base who believes it.
But I do think you’re hitting on a parallel in the US. Because we no longer agree about what’s real and what’s not, we are dysfunctional. We have people shooting up pizzerias because they believe that there are children in the basement. That’s somebody who’s miscalculating based on a belief in a fake reality. It’s a similar dynamic.
The difference is that our leadership exists in a broader information sphere that is more reflective of reality and does provide checks on those things. When QAnon becomes popular, we have loads of people who start debunking QAnon. It doesn’t get through to everybody, but at least it exists.
The main parallel is that when a significant chunk of people in your society no longer inhabit reality, you’re in trouble. You’re particularly in trouble when people in elected office or in power no longer inhabit reality. I think in that situation, I’d still rather be in a democracy than a dictatorship, but it’s still truly worrying that it’s happening in a democracy.
More at https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/3/24/22982864/vladimir-pu
tin-russia-ukraine-war-brian-klaas
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Russian Tank Left With Gaping Hole In Armor
https://funker530.com/video/russian-tank-left-with-gaping-hole-in-armo
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an invasion on 24th February 2022 move on 1 Month into the War and Putin looks like an idiot criminal
Ukrainian officials said that a Russian landing ship docked in Berdiansk, initially reported to be the Orsk and then its sister ship, the Saratov, was destroyed by a Ukrainian rocket attack
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Hey!
If shutting down Russia's pipeline will punish Putin and screw up the Russian economy, why did Biden shut down the U.S. pipeline?
Asking for a friend.
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Quote:You DO realize that's stupider than saying "The NYT said..." or "CNN said.. "
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOW ]Ukrainian officials said...
Why do you believe them? Are you Ukrainian?
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Yeah. Jaynez is definitely drinking the Kool Aid here.
Weird.
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'Ukrainian ATGM Team Knocks Out T-72'
https://funker530.com/video/ukrainian-atgm-team-knocks-out-t-72/
Some of the Alt-Right Cheer for Putin?
Vox Day aka Theodore Robert Beale is an American Rightwing Conservative activist, writer, musician, publisher, and video game designer. He has been described as a white radical, offensive, a misogynist, and part of the alt-right.
African-American writer N. K. Jemisin, during her delivery of the Guest of Honour speech at 2013 Continuum in Australia, stated that 10% of the SFWA membership voted for Beale in his bid for the SFWA presidential position and called him "a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole" and asserted that silence about these issues was the same as enabling them
Beale describes himself as a Christian nationalist. He has been described as an alt-right personality by Wired, and a leader of the alt-right by Business Insider. In September 2018, Beale announced Comicsgate Comics as a "100% SJW-free" comic book publishing imprint.
https://voxday.net/2022/04/23/southern-ukraine-is-with-russia/
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Why do you believe them?
Jaynez is definitely drinking the Kool Aid here.
Another Russian general killed amid invasion
more ships destroyed
They tried to cover truth for a while
and yet even now Russia now admits claims its Moskva ship has sunk!
Could it be that Russians should consider keeping their general officers away from the front line, before they no longer have any left to send into Ukraine.
The Moskva was deployed in military conflicts in Georgia (2008), Crimea (2014), and Syria (2015). Beginning in February 2022, it led the naval assault during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, until its sinking in April 2022
The ship is the largest warship by tonnage to be sunk in wartime since the end of World War II.
Ukrainian sources reported that some of Moskva's crew were killed, including First Rank Captain Anton Kuprin (age 43), the ship's commanding officer, at the time of the explosion. A senior US official said the government also believed there had been casualties.
Enviornmental satellite photos, film on news media stations and shipping radar marine traffic perhaps forced Russians to admit their ships was sunk?
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Quote:But what does your link have to do with Beale? He didn't author the article, and I
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Some of the Alt-Right Cheer for Putin?
Vox Day aka Theodore Robert Beale is an American Rightwing Conservative activist, writer, musician, publisher, and video game designer. He has been described as a white radical, offensive, a misogynist, and part of the alt-right.
African-American writer N. K. Jemisin, during her delivery of the Guest of Honour speech at 2013 Continuum in Australia, stated that 10% of the SFWA membership voted for Beale in his bid for the SFWA presidential position and called him "a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole" and asserted that silence about these issues was the same as enabling them
Beale describes himself as a Christian nationalist. He has been described as an alt-right personality by Wired, and a leader of the alt-right by Business Insider. In September 2018, Beale announced Comicsgate Comics as a "100% SJW-free" comic book publishing imprint.
https://voxday.net/2022/04/23/southern-ukraine-is-with-russia/
ve seen much the same from sites that aren't alt-right in ANY sense.
Are you trying to smear Russia with charges of being supported by "white racists"? Or trying to smear alt-right with charges of being "pro-Russian"?
FWIW, the article is true. Many Ukies, particularly in the south and east, were Russian-speaking to begin with, were the overwhelming source of support for Yanukovich, and voted (as they did in Crimea, Mariupol, Donetsk and Lugansk) to separate from Kiev. I pointed out, back in 2014, there there was a significant minority - at least 35% of the population- who would never accept an anti-Russian government. Support for Russia in Ukraine is genuine, especialy since Kiev decided to unleash its Nazis on the Russian-speaking population. Expect the same in Transistria.
So there you have it.
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On top of a pile of rubble and ash there will be no winners?
Druzhba explosion: Russian oil depot engulfed in flames - Kremlin claims Ukraine attack
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1600540/Druzhba-explosion-Russian
-oil-depot-ukraine-news-russia-latest-ont
Giant inferno at Russian oil storage amid suspicion of strike by Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10749921/Giant-inferno-Russia
n-oil-storage-amid-suspicion-strike-Ukraine.html?ito=rss-flipboard
Ukraine war: Russia 'failing in its war aims' and Ukraine will be around 'a lot longer than Putin', US secretary of state says
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-us-secretary-of-state-antony-bl
inken-visits-kyiv-to-meet-volodymyr-zelenskyy-12597776
and Ukraine itself?
Is diplomatic time running out? Maybe the honey moon war business of supplying cash and weapons will soon be over??
Ukraine says sorry to Japan for comparing Emperor Hirohito to Hitler on Twitter
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3175402/ukraine-says-
sorry-japan-comparing-emperor-hirohito-hitler
Ukraine 'disappointed' as Austria says besieged nation shouldn't be offered EU membership
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-25/austria-ukraine-eu-membership/1
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Anger in Japan as Ukraine Links Emperor Hirohito to Adolf Hitler
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/ukraine-apologizes-
to-japan-for-linking-former-emperor-to-hitler
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But what does your link have to do with Beale?
He might not cheer for Putin here but without doubt he is part of this fringe right movement, some are Christain Apocalypse prepper types, some I see are conspiracy Piratenews types and some I see some of them do cheer Putin, I'm not sure what it is that got people super angry and doom like, people have got so disenfranchised, hateful of their own government that these people now believe Putin will be the Savior of White Christian Civilization?
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Quote:Forensic doctors carrying out postmortem examinations on bodies in mass graves north of Kyiv say they have found evidence some women were raped before being killed by Russian forces, Lorenzo Tondo and Isobel Koshiw report.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I pointed out, back in 2014, there there was a significant minority - at least 35% of the population- who would never accept an anti-Russian government. Support for Russia in Ukraine is genuine, especialy since Kiev decided to unleash its Nazis on the Russian-speaking population. Expect the same in Transistria.
So there you have it.
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“We already have a few cases which suggest that these women had been raped before being shot to death,” said Vladyslav Pirovskyi, a Ukrainian forensic doctor who with a team of coroners has carried out dozens of autopsies on residents from Bucha, Irpin and Borodianka who died during Russia’s month-long occupation of the area.
“We can’t give more details as my colleagues are still collecting the data and we still have hundreds of bodies to examine,” he said.
Pirovskyi’s team has been examining about 15 bodies a day, many of them mutilated. “There are many burnt bodies, and heavily disfigured bodies that are just impossible to identify,” he said. “The face could be smashed into pieces, you can’t put it back together, sometimes there’s no head at all.”
He said the bodies of some women they had examined showed signs that the victims had been killed by automatic gunfire, with upwards of six bullet holes in their backs.
Oleh Tkalenko, a senior prosecutor for the Kyiv region, said details of alleged rapes had been forwarded to his office, which is investigating circumstances such as locations and the ages of victims.
“Rape cases are a very delicate and sensitive matter,” Tkalenko said. “Forensic doctors have a specific task of checking the genitalia of female victims and looking for signs of rape.”
A foreign coroner working north of Kyiv who asked to remain anonymous said some bodies “are in such bad shape that it is not easy to find signs of rapes and sexual abuses. But we are collecting evidence in a few cases of women we believe had been raped before being murdered.”
Following the withdrawal of Russian troops from towns and suburbs around the capital, dozens of women have told police, the media and human rights organisations about atrocities they say they suffered at the hands of Russian soldiers. Investigators have heard testimony of gang-rapes, assaults taking place at gunpoint and rapes committed in front of children.
Ukraine’s human rights commissioner, Lyudmila Denisova, has officially documented the cases of 25 women who were kept in a basement and systematically raped in Bucha, a town north of Kyiv now synonymous with Russian war crimes. Authorities have warned those cases could be the tip of the iceberg and accused Russian troops of using rape as an instrument of war.
Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said in a statement last week that hundreds of women had been raped by Russian soldiers. Ukrainian authorities have declined to give exact figures or details about where the rapes occurred or the ages of the victims.
Russia has repeatedly denied targeting civilians during the war even as evidence to the contrary has mounted.
Tkalenko said women were reluctant to file police reports about acts of sexual violence because they believed the perpetrators would not be caught. Instead, they were contacting psychologists and doctors for help.
“Psychologists work with the rape victims and then with detectives,” Tkalenko said. “Women are very reserved, and the information on rape cases is more closed.”
Much of the evidence collected by Ukrainian prosecutors will soon be forwarded to the international criminal court (ICC), which has launched an investigation into possible war crimes and crimes against humanity in Ukraine.
One volunteer who travelled into liberated areas north of Kyi
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Quote:You actually pointed out the very thing that makes a Trump voter: "you don't care". You could extend that to "you aren't careful" because Trump voters aren't careful with their health, with their jobs, etc. With time, the results are obvious, which makes Trump voters angry when the government doesn't save them from their carelessness. 6ix, to show what I mean, smoke another pack of cigarettes. It won't do much more harm compared to the thousands you have already smoked, but in time you will learn the cost of your carelessness. I have seen it happen to other Trump voters. It will happen to you.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No one cares.
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Ukraine and the Words That Lead to Mass Murder
First comes the dehumanization. Then comes the killing.
In the terrible winter of 1932–33, brigades of Communist Party activists went house to house in the Ukrainian countryside, looking for food. The brigades were from Moscow, Kyiv, and Kharkiv, as well as villages down the road. They dug up gardens, broke open walls, and used long rods to poke up chimneys, searching for hidden grain. They watched for smoke coming from chimneys, because that might mean a family had hidden flour and was baking bread. They led away farm animals and confiscated tomato seedlings. After they left, Ukrainian peasants, deprived of food, ate rats, frogs, and boiled grass. They gnawed on tree bark and leather. Many resorted to cannibalism to stay alive. Some 4 million died of starvation.
At the time, the activists felt no guilt. Soviet propaganda had repeatedly told them that supposedly wealthy peasants, whom they called kulaks, were saboteurs and enemies—rich, stubborn landowners who were preventing the Soviet proletariat from achieving the utopia that its leaders had promised. The kulaks should be swept away, crushed like parasites or flies. Their food should be given to the workers in the cities, who deserved it more than they did. Years later, the Ukrainian-born Soviet defector Viktor Kravchenko wrote about what it was like to be part of one of those brigades. “To spare yourself mental agony you veil unpleasant truths from view by half-closing your eyes—and your mind,” he explained. “You make panicky excuses and shrug off knowledge with words like exaggeration and hysteria.”
He also described how political jargon and euphemisms helped camouflage the reality of what they were doing. His team spoke of the “peasant front” and the “kulak menace,” “village socialism” and “class resistance,” to avoid giving humanity to the people whose food they were stealing. Lev Kopelev, another Soviet writer who as a young man had served in an activist brigade in the countryside (later he spent years in the Gulag), had very similar reflections. He too had found that clichés and ideological language helped him hide what he was doing, even from himself:
I persuaded myself, explained to myself. I mustn’t give in to debilitating pity. We were realizing historical necessity. We were performing our revolutionary duty. We were obtaining grain for the socialist fatherland. For the five-year plan.
There was no need to feel sympathy for the peasants. They did not deserve to exist. Their rural riches would soon be the property of all.
But the kulaks were not rich; they were starving. The countryside was not wealthy; it was a wasteland.
Continue reading at https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629/
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You actually pointed out the very thing that makes a Trump voter: "you don't care". You could extend that to "you aren't careful" because Trump voters aren't careful with their health, with their jobs, etc. With time, the results are obvious, which makes Trump voters angry when the government doesn't save them from their carelessness. 6ix, to show what I mean, smoke another pack of cigarettes. It won't do much more harm compared to the thousands you have already smoked, but in time you will learn the cost of your carelessness. I have seen it happen to other Trump voters. It will happen to you.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No one cares.
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While not every use of genocidal hate speech leads to genocide, all genocides have been preceded by genocidal hate speech. The modern Russian propaganda state turned out to be the ideal vehicle both for carrying out mass murder and for hiding it from the public. The gray apparatchiks, FSB operatives, and well-coiffed anchorwomen who organize and conduct the national conversation had for years been preparing their compatriots to feel no pity for Ukraine.
They succeeded. From the first days of the war, it was evident that the Russian military had planned in advance for many civilians, perhaps millions, to be killed, wounded, or displaced from their homes in Ukraine. Other assaults on cities throughout history—Dresden, Coventry, Hiroshima, Nagasaki—took place only after years of terrible conflict. By contrast, systematic bombardment of civilians in Ukraine began only days into an unprovoked invasion. In the first week of the war, Russian missiles and artillery targeted apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools. As Russians occupied Ukrainian cities and towns, they kidnapped or murdered mayors, local councilors, even a museum director from Melitopol, spraying bullets and terror randomly on everyone else. When the Ukrainian army recaptured Bucha, to the north of Kyiv, it found corpses with their arms tied behind their backs, lying in the road. When I was there in mid-April, I saw others that had been dumped into a mass grave. In the first three weeks of the war alone, Human Rights Watch documented cases of summary execution, rape, and the mass looting of civilian property.
Mariupol, a mostly Russian-speaking city the size of Miami, was subjected to almost total devastation. In a powerful interview in late March, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, noted that in previous European conflicts, occupiers hadn’t destroyed everything, because they themselves needed somewhere to cook, eat, wash; during the Nazi occupation, he said, “movie theaters were operating in France.” But Mariupol was different: “Everything is burned out.” Ninety percent of the buildings were destroyed within just a few weeks.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
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While not every use of genocidal hate speech leads to genocide, all genocides have been preceded by genocidal hate speech.
Oh yeah? Prove it.
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At the height of the fighting, civilians were still trapped inside the city, with no access to food, water, power, heat, or medicine. Men, women, and children died of starvation and dehydration. Those who tried to escape were fired upon. Outsiders who tried to bring in supplies were fired upon as well. The bodies of the dead lay in the street for many days.
Yet even as these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people. As in the past, the use of jargon helped. This was not an invasion; it was a “special military operation.” This was not a mass murder of Ukrainians; it was “protection” for the inhabitants of the eastern-Ukrainian territories. This was not genocide; it was defense against “genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime.” The dehumanization of the Ukrainians was completed in early April, when RIA Novosti, a state-run website, published an article arguing that the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine would require the “liquidation” of the Ukrainian leadership, and even the erasure of the very name of Ukraine, because to be Ukrainian was to be a Nazi: “Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construct, which does not have any civilizational content of its own, and is a subordinate element of a foreign and alien civilization.” The existential threat was made clear on the eve of the war, when Putin reprised a decade’s worth of propaganda about the perfidious West, using language familiar to Russians: “They sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature.”
For anyone who might have seen photographs of Mariupol, explanations were provided. On March 23, Russian television did broadcast film of the city’s ruins — drone footage from CNN. But rather than take responsibility, they blamed the Ukrainians. One television anchorwoman, sounding sad, described the scene as “a horrifying picture. Ukrainian nationalists, as they retreat, are trying to leave no stone unturned.” The Russian Defense Ministry actually accused the Azov battalion, a famously radical Ukrainian fighting force, of blowing up the Mariupol theater, where hundreds of families with children had been sheltering. Why would über-patriotic Ukrainian forces deliberately kill Ukrainian children? That wasn’t explained — but then, nothing is ever explained. And if nothing can be known for certain, then no one can be blamed. Maybe Ukrainian “nationalists” destroyed Mariupol. Maybe not. No clear conclusions can be drawn, and no one can be held accountable.
Few feel remorse. Published recordings of telephone calls between Russian soldiers and their families—they are using ordinary SIM cards, so it’s easy to listen to them—are full of contempt for Ukrainians. “I shot the car,” one soldier tells a woman, perhaps his wife or sister, in one of the calls. “Shoot the motherfuckers,” she responds, “as long as it’s not you. Fuck them. Fucking drug addicts and Nazis.” They talk about stealing television sets, drinking cognac, and shooting people in forests. They show no concern about casualties, not even their own. Radio communications between the Russian soldiers attacking civilians in Bucha were just as cold-blooded.
All of this — the indifference to violence, the amoral nonchalance about mass murder, even the disdain for the lives of Russian soldiers — is familiar to anyone who knows Soviet history. But Russian citizens and Russian soldiers either don’t know that history or don’t care about it.
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Yeah...
None of that happened.
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Putin gets what he didn't want: Ukraine army closer to West
WASHINGTON (AP) — The longer Ukraine's army fends off the invading Russians, the more it absorbs the advantages of Western weaponry and training — exactly the transformation President Vladimir Putin wanted to prevent by invading in the first place.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-gets-what-he-didn-t-want-uk
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Tisk tisk comrade. I told you so signym. I told you so.
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You've told nothing worthwhile to anybody, Ted.
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You've told nothing worthwhile to anybody, Ted.
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Put down the bottle, get your rotten teeth fixed and see a psychiatrist.
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Haven't had a drink i almost 5 years and 5 months.
My teeth were fixed over two years ago.
I have no need to see a psychiatrist.
Things are going my way buddy.
You behave no different 15 months into a Democrat ran country than you did 2 years into Trump's Presidency. You should probably be the one looking up numbers for a psychiatrist. Particularly after November 9th when Democrats lose power for the rest of our lives.
Although I'd reckon you'd have to find a REALLY good one since they won't be left with much to work with.
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Fléchettes found in Bucha victims: evidence of Russian war crimes continues to grow
Forensic doctors say that civilians killed by Russians were found with metal arrows (fléchettes) embedded in their heads.
Dr. Vladyslave Pirovskyi, a Ukrainian forensic doctor, told The Guardian, “We found several really thin, nail-like objects in the bodies of men and women, and so did others of my colleagues...The majority of these bodies come from the Bucha-Irpin region.”
Shells are packed with up to 8,000 fléchettes and explode in a conical pattern, at times dispersing across an area as large as three football fields wide. Using imprecise lethal weapons in highly populated civilian areas is considered a war crime as it violates humanitarian law.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fl%C3%A9chettes-found-in-bucha-vi
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette#Air-dropped
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Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
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Putin gets what he didn't want: Ukraine army closer to West
WASHINGTON (AP) — The longer Ukraine's army fends off the invading Russians,
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You guys seem to have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
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You guys seem to have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
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Says comrade fecal matter. You being the lowest of the low is recorded here in these threads shit head. And that can't be changed.
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Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
They've done much, much worse. Face it, SIGTOOL, you're defending a mass murderer, mass rapist, mass mutilator. Of men and women AND young girls and boys. But, their "just Ukies" right? Hell isn't hot enough for that fcker.
https://time.com/6168330/rape-war-crime-russia-ukraine/
Ukrainians Are Speaking Up About Rape as a War Crime to Ensure the World Holds Russia Accountable
"Rape as a weapon of war may date to the dawn of conflict. But in Ukraine, female lawmakers are waging a campaign to turn sexual violence by Russian soldiers against the invaders.
“No one thought that such cruelties and atrocities could happen in the middle of Europe,” says Lesia Vasylenko, a Ukrainian Member of Parliament who in March traveled from Kyiv to London, where she and three other female lawmakers urged Prime Minister Boris Johnson to stop U.K. trade with Russia on the grounds that it was funding the rape of their countrywomen. A few weeks later, they took their message to Paris, raising the same issue with President Emmanuel Macron. On April 21, they will head to Brussels, seat of the European Union.
“It’s important that people do not avert their eyes from this crime,” says Vasylenko.
When Russian troops retreated from areas around Kyiv on April 1, official reports of sexual violence, which had trickled in during the five weeks after the invasion, suddenly took the shape of a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence. Women and girls were the main target, but victims spanned old and young, male and female.
Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys, and Ukrainian men and boys have been sexually assaulted in other incidents. A group of Ukrainian women POWs had their heads shaved in Russian captivity, where they were also stripped naked and forced to squat.
Human rights monitors say the number of additional cases extend into the scores, stoking fears for Ukrainians both still under Russian control or facing the prospect of becoming so, as Moscow launches a massive assault in the country’s east.
“These sex crimes…are a weapon of war in order to humiliate, subjugate, terrorize and force people to flee the territory,” says Marta Havryshko, Research Associate in contemporary history at the I. Krypiakevych Institute of Ukrainian Studies and a URIS Fellow at Basel University. “Russian soldiers are trying to send a signal to the whole community: we are the winners, you are weak, we will destroy you, so you better give up your struggle for independence.”
The Ukrainian campaign reflects the evolution of outrage. Rape was first recognized as a war crime in 1919, but many wars and decades passed before the first prosecution of rape as a war crime took place, against a Rwandan politician in 1998. The U.N.’s first prosecution was for the Former Yugoslavia, when Serbian forces maintained “rape camps” as what judges deemed “an instrument of terror.”
In Kyiv, the current effort for justice shows not only advances by women—Ukraine currently has the largest number of female lawmakers in its history, several of whom are raising awareness about wartime rape—but also of the rising awareness that robs sexual violence of the stigma its perpetrators intend. As the lawmakers press the case for prosecution in the capitals of Europe, viral posts on Ukrainian social media—from a gynecologist, a lawyer, even a popular TV host—implore fellow Ukrainian women to come forward with evidence of sexual violence committed by Russian troops.
Technology also helps. A war broadcast 24/7 over social media feeds not only hastens the documentation of other war crimes; it al
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Quote:As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
As in the past, the use of jargon helped.
1. This was not an invasion; it was a “special military operation.”
2. This was not a mass murder of Ukrainians; it was “protection” for the inhabitants of the eastern-Ukrainian territories.
3. This was not genocide; it was defense against “genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime.”
4. The dehumanization of the Ukrainians was completed in early April, when RIA Novosti, a state-run website, published an article arguing that the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine would require the “liquidation” of the Ukrainian leadership, and even the erasure of the very name of Ukraine, because to be Ukrainian was to be a Nazi:
5. “Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construct, which does not have any civilizational content of its own, and is a subordinate element of a foreign and alien civilization.”
6. The existential threat was made clear on the eve of the war, when Putin reprised a decade’s worth of propaganda about the perfidious West, using language familiar to Russians: “They sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature.”
The modern Russian propaganda state turned out to be the ideal vehicle both for carrying out mass murder and for hiding it from the public. The gray apparatchiks, FSB operatives, and well-coiffed anchorwomen who organize and conduct the national conversation had for years been preparing their compatriots to feel no pity for Ukraine.
They succeeded. From the first days of the war, it was evident that the Russian military had planned in advance for many civilians, perhaps millions, to be killed, wounded, or displaced from their homes in Ukraine. Other assaults on cities throughout history—Dresden, Coventry, Hiroshima, Nagasaki—took place only after years of terrible conflict. By contrast, systematic bombardment of civilians in Ukraine began only days into an unprovoked invasion. In the first week of the war, Russian missiles and artillery targeted apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools. As Russians occupied Ukrainian cities and towns, they kidnapped or murdered mayors, local councilors, even a museum director from Melitopol, spraying bullets and terror randomly on everyone else. When the Ukrainian army recaptured Bucha, to the north of Kyiv, it found corpses with their arms tied behind their backs, lying in the road. In the first three weeks of the war alone, Human Rights Watch documented cases of summary execution, rape, and the mass looting of civilian property.
Mariupol, a mostly Russian-speaking city the size of Miami, was subjected to almost total devastation. In a powerful interview in late March, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, noted that in previous European conflicts, occupiers hadn’t destroyed everything, because they themselves needed somewhere to cook, eat, wash; during the Nazi occupation, he said, “movie theaters were operating in France.” But Mariupol was different: “Everything is burned out.” Ninety percent of the buildings were destroyed within just a few weeks.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
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Quote:‘At war with the whole world’: why Putin might be planning a long conflict in Ukraine
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You guys seem to have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
Stalling peace talks and new offensive suggest Kremlin could escalate its ‘special operation’ into a ‘war’ against the west
Despite Russia’s failure to break down Ukraine’s defences, heavy casualties and a series of military defeats, the Kremlin has kept up a refrain: the goals of Vladimir Putin’s invasion will be reached in full.
Russia’s territorial targets have appeared to shift depending on the short-term gains Putin feels his troops can achieve on the battlefield. He scaled back an initial plan to seize central areas including the capital, Kyiv, in favour of a new assault focused on the eastern Donbas region.
But Russia’s goals, which the Russian president has made clear include ending Ukrainian statehood, remain unchanged, according to people involved in efforts to broker a peace deal between Moscow and Kyiv.
This means, they assessed, that he is prepared for a protracted conflict going much further than the recently outlined target of “liberating” the Donbas. Putin wants to capture all of south-eastern Ukraine to cut the country off from the Black Sea and create a platform for further attacks, they say.
“He’s a tactician . . . a judoka . . . He wants to feint and throw you over his shoulder,” one of the people said, referring to Putin’s love of judo. “He’s not reasonable, he has a distorted picture of the world in his head [ . . . ] and the scenarios have changed. Appetite comes during the meal.”
An influential Moscow-based tycoon said the conflict would go on as long as it took for Putin to sell it as a success domestically. “If you can’t make it look like a victory to the electorate, you can’t save face,” the businessman said.
Russia appears to have learned from some of its military mistakes in the early days of its invasion of Ukraine on February 24. This led to a redeployment of its forces to the Donbas and the appointment of a single field commander.
But Putin’s view of the situation on the ground appears distorted by inaccurate field briefings and state television reports, the people involved in the talks say.
Events are not reported up the chain accurately, said Pavel Luzin, an independent military analyst. This in turn is likely going to hamper Russia’s offensive and force it to pause operations at some point in the next month.
“It’s a huge hierarchy, and when some low-ranking analyst . . . writes a report about what’s really happening, it goes through 10 bosses and when it comes out at the top, it says everything is going great. That’s how the system works,” Luzin said.
“They need a break just to work out what they have. They don’t know how many contract soldiers they have left, they don’t know the full extent of their own losses, and they don’t know how much equipment they have left or what state it’s in.”
Assessing that Russia needed to regroup, Ukrainian officials initially thought Putin would look for a way to declare victory by May 9, when he celebrates the Soviet Union’s victory in the second world war with a military parade on Moscow’s Red Square.
But with few military gains secured so far and peace talks faltering, there are signs the Kremlin is preparing for a protracted conflict that it sees as a proxy war with the west. Putin said this month that “the most important thing happening today” was not the “tragic events” in Ukraine, but “breaking the unipolar world system that was created after the collapse of the Soviet Union”.
Rhetoric on state television has changed accordingly. With few triumphs to boast of beyond the capture of the port city of Mariupol — which required all but destroying it — presenters have blamed the lack of progress on the west’s support for Ukraine.
Some of them frequently muse about using nuclear weapons against the west, trumpeting Russia’s recent test of a new intercontinental ballistic missile, the Sarmat, and q
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Stalling peace talks and new offensive suggest Kremlin could escalate its ‘special operation’ into a ‘war’ against the west
Nah
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'The west" is already at war with Putin, so ... why not?
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Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.
UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
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Quote:Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of the Ukrainian nation going back to 11th century Kyiv, surviving centuries of oppression by Russia and Poland, and, finally, emerging out of the wreckage of the Soviet Union as a sovereign Ukrainian state in 1991.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.
UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
For the Russians, the various western and southern provinces now called “Ukraine” were populated by Slavic border people (Ukrainians) who were essentially Russian. They considered this land as a part of the Russian Empire for centuries.
The press has been treating the Ukrainian origin story as “truth” and the Russian one as “lies,” but things are never that simple. Like all origin stories, both are a mixture of historical fact and political imagination.
In recent weeks, the depth and sincerity of the commitment to Western democracy, the repudiation of the Communist past and rejection of the Russian connection has been impressively demonstrated by the Ukrainian government and people.
Russians whose memories go back 30 or 40 years see the Ukrainian situation differently. It is not clear if the younger post-Soviet generation – in particular, young men liable for military conscription – see Ukraine and its current Western orientation in the same way as their elders.
Putin’s past wars and acts of aggression on the international scene (Chechnya, Crimea) raised his popularity at home, but they were successful wars. So far, Russia’s Ukrainian adventure is not looking like a success.
In the case of Crimea (which, as all Russians know, was transferred from Russia to Ukraine in 1954 on a whim of Khrushchev), this aggression was essentially bloodless.
Chechnya was bloody, but the victims were not Slavs.
It remains to be seen how the Russian Army and Russians back home will feel about the killing of Ukrainians: Slavic kith and kin.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-as-a-borderland-a-brief-history-of
-ukraines-place-between-europe-and-russia-178168
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Yup. Because those damned Polacks are known for their oppressive behavior.
Shut up, moron.
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Quote:This is as far as I got b4 wading into more of your bullshit, distraction, and misdirection.
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.
SIGNY: UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
SECOND: Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of
Bc, yanno, you can't really address my point, can you?
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Quote:In what way are your points different than Putin's? You have written many words, but you have not deviated from Putin's positions. Why do you bother to write when Putin has already done all the work for you? Just copy and paste whatever official press release is coming out of Russia and save your energy for gardening or whatever you do in retirement.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:This is as far as I got b4 wading into more of your bullshit, distraction, and misdirection.
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.
SIGNY: UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
SECOND: Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of
Bc, yanno, you can't really address my point, can you?
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Russia’s threat to retaliate against US-Japan naval exercises shows it’s getting jumpy
Russia has warned Japan of “retaliatory measures” if it expands joint naval exercises with the United States near Russia’s eastern borders.
The threat is just the latest salvo from Moscow, which has been angered by Japan’s support for Ukraine and its growing ties with NATO countries, and is turning up the heat in a long-running dispute over the sovereignty of islands captured by Soviet forces at the end of World War II.
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Morgulov said Tuesday that US-Japan naval exercises were “potentially offensive in nature,” according to a report on Tuesday by Russian state news agency RIA-Novosti.
“We see such actions by the Japanese side as a threat to the security of our country,” Morgulov said. “If such practices expand, Russia will take retaliatory measures in the interests of strengthening its defense capabilities.”
However, he did not specify which US-Japan exercises he was talking about – nor did he make explicit what form Russia’s retaliation might take.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/asia/russia-threat-japan-naval-exercise
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Long story shortened: Russia put troops into Japan and never withdrew. Russia did the same to Ukraine. That is why Japan is helping Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute
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Russian Leaders Know They’re Committing War Crimes. Their Laws of War Manual Says So.
The manual requires commanders to be aware that, generally, attacks are forbidden on targets including concentrations of civilians, their dwellings, infrastructure necessary to their survival, nuclear power plants and cultural icons. It also makes clear that attacks on those targets employing weapons such as indirect artillery and missile fire, indiscriminate automatic weapons fire, and landmines can constitute separate war crimes.
“Civilian” is defined in the manual as “any person present in the area of combat operations, who is not a member of armed forces and refrains from any act of hostility.”
The manual warns, “Especially dangerous objects are nuclear power stations … whose destruction may release dangerous destructive factors and consequent severe losses among the civilian population. These objects shall not become the object of attack even when they are military objectives if attacking them may result in the above-mentioned consequences.”
The manual tells a commander: “While organizing and conducting combat operations the commander and staff must take into account the rules of international humanitarian law.” Prohibited methods of warfare include “killing or wounding civilians … taking of hostages… terrorizing the civilian population; using starvation of civilians to achieve military objectives, the destruction, removal or reduction to uselessness of objects indispensable to their survival … destroying cultural property, historic monuments, places of worship and other objects of cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples …; destroying or capturing enemy property, unless required by military necessity; ordering to pillage a town or place.”
In addition, “the following shall be prohibited [during] combat operations: “booby-traps which are placed outside a military objective and in any way attached to, or associated … dead bodies; burial or cremation sites, graves[.]” If bodies were mined at Bucha, that was another direct violation.
The manual warns:
In accordance with … the penal legislation of the Russian Federation, perpetrators of international humanitarian law violations can be held criminally responsible. Such violations include actions against persons and objects protected under international humanitarian law: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment…willfully causing great suffering or serious injury, or harm to health; … taking of hostages; intentionally making the civilian population or individual civilians, …, an object of attack if it causes death or serious bodily injury, or harm to health; illegal arrest; … unlawful deportation … of civilian population of the occupied territory beyond its borders;
… The actions of occupying forces must comply with the rules of international humanitarian law. The commander … in the occupied territory is obliged, …, to take all possible measures to ensure public order and security, prevent pillage and illegal confiscation of property. … Life, family, property, customs of the civilian population shall be respected.
Further, “search for, collection, identification, and burial of the dead members of the enemy armed forces as well as of other victims of armed conflicts shall be organized immediately, as soon as the situation permits and carried out … to establish the identity of the dead (deceased) and bury them with due dignity and respect as required by ethical principles.”
There are many other requirements, but those above were clearly violated in the shelling and bombing of Kyiv, Kharkiv and Mariupol, the murders in Bucha, the expulsions from Mariupol into Russia, and the mistreatment of civilians in numerous occupied towns and villages.
Do these rules matter?
This Russian manual is clear evidence that the Russian military leadership is aware their actions and inaction in Ukraine constitute war crimes. In any trial, the manual provides the necessary nexus to demonstrate that Russian leaders are legally responsible for illegal attacks up
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Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.
SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.
SIGNY: UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
SECOND: Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of
SIGNY: This is as far as I got b4 wading into more of your bullshit, distraction, and misdirection.
Bc, yanno, you can't really address my point, can you?
SECOND: In what way are your points different than Putin's? You have written many words, but you have not deviated from Putin's positions.
All I'm doing is demanding evidence, which is what I did for Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Panama, Grenada etc etc
And all YOU'RE doing is repeating neocon/M$M lies.
If YOU had demanded evidence before signing up for Vietnam, maybe you wouldn't be the twisted fuck you are today. But instead of learning from your past mistakes, you seem to want others to follow your path to insanity. Bc that's what happens when you believe lies.
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Quote:Putin cares too much. He is threatening, today, to nuke the world. He keeps making the threat. I wonder if he thinks he wasn't heard the first 6 times he said the same thing?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
Russia has issued a chilling new threat to the UK over continued weapon supplies to Ukraine.
Vladimir Putin's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said strikes could be authorised against NATO member countries' military targets.
She said: "Do we understand correctly that for the sake of disrupting the logistics of military supplies, Russia can strike military targets on the territory of those Nato countries that supply arms to the Kyiv regime?"
"After all, this directly leads to deaths and bloodshed on Ukrainian territory. As far as I understand, Britain is one of those countries.”
On Wednesday Putin also seemed to hint at a possible nuclear attack, telling assembled Russian lawmakers: "If someone intends to interfere in what is going on from the outside they must know that constitutes an unacceptable strategic threat to Russia.
"They must know that our response to counter strikes will be lightning fast. Fast."
He went on: "We have all the weapons we need for this. No one else can brag about these weapons, and we won't brag about them. But we will use them."
It comes after Russia also warned NATO weapons were a "legitimate" target in Ukraine - and that British diplomats in Kyiv could be targeted.
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said "nuclear" action was a "real" danger, adding the risk of World War 3 was now "considerable".
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russias-chilling-threat-launc
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
He's got a reason to.
You don't.
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Quote:Putin is the richest man in the world, but he will lose his wealth if he doesn't stop this stupid war he started whimsically because the richest man believed he could do anything. Think of Putin as a weirder and older Elon Musk with an army and a bureau of assassination to do his will.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Putin cares too much.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
He's got a reason to.
You don't.
How Putin might be 'the richest man in the world'
Throughout his decades-long political career, Russian President Vladimir Putin has amassed a fortune that some authorities believe is vast enough to crown him one of the richest people in the world.
Now that wealth is in the crosshairs of the West. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which is believed to have killed thousands of civilians, has triggered economic sanctions that target him, his associates and now his adult children.
But the system that built Putin's riches has also frustrated U.S. and European efforts to punish him. Each round of sanctions raises new questions about whether those efforts can affect the man who treats the wealth of an entire nation as his own.
That wealth was not built solely by simple corruption or theft, according to statements from an array of government officials, interviews with experts in U.S. intelligence and law enforcement, and a USA TODAY review of thousands of pages of reports and documents.
While Putin was far from the first to capitalize on the wealth of the formerly communist country, he turned the tables on Russia’s oligarchs, using the power of his office to put himself in control of their futures – and their fortunes.
He installed his closest allies from St. Petersburg as a new class of oligarchs whose business riches became, effectively, Putin's own. Today, while Putin declares a $123,000 salary, his actual wealth is as hard to imagine as it is to quantify.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/26/russia-preside
nt-vladimir-putin-money-oligarchs/9543309002/
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Quote:You crave lies like an alcoholic craves booze.
6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
SECOND: Putin cares too much.
SIX: He's got a reason to.
You don't.
SECOND: Putin is the richest man in the world...
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6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
SECOND: Putin cares too much.
SIX: He's got a reason to.
You don't.
SECOND: Putin is the richest man in the world...
Yup. It's like the government took Trump away from him and now his only source of Copeium is Putin.
Turn that frown upside down, little buddy. Trump is coming back.
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Quote:Trump is 4 times more likely to be assassinated than to be reelected. Four Presidents have been assassinated, but only one President, Grover Cleveland, served non-consecutive terms. There could be a John Wilkes Booth for Trump. Maybe there are two? The second one is for Putin.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Turn that frown upside down, little buddy. Trump is coming back.
In other speculative news, Russia already has phases 2 and 3 planned after Ukraine
Russia will not stop at Transnistria if Moscow is successful and the Western world loses interest in Ukraine as the war drags on. The potential “third phase” would be a drive to connect the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad Oblast, which borders NATO members Poland and Lithuania. This action would entail the Russian military seizing the Suwalki Gap, which is the border between Poland and Lithuania – with Kaliningrad Oblast and Belarus on the two endpoints. The Suwalki Gap is a mere 65 miles end-to-end. Those 65 miles between the exclave and Belarus (which Moscow is using as a staging area for its invasion of Ukraine) is NATO territory.
Putin might risk a wider European war – specifically an attack on two NATO member-states, plus drawing in non-member Moldova. As part of the defense of the Suwalki Gap, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas has advocated for the U.S. to establish a permanent military base in her country. Estonia shares a land border with Russia and has a minority Russian-speaking population that may need “liberation” if Russia is not expelled from Ukraine.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/opinion/2022/04/28/russia-already-
aiming-nato-nations-borders-after-ukraine/9551808002/
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Use the Weapon the Russians Can’t Match
It’s nowhere near as expensive as it sounds, and much more humane: offer every Russian soldier who defects $100,000 and the right to settle in any EU/North American country of their choice. It might not work, especially if Russia uses deadly force against soldiers who lay down their arms or violent reprisals against their families back home. But if a large enough portion of their troops accept the offer, the Russian war effort would be crippled.
Of course, Putin will claim that this is an inducement to the worst sort of betrayal, selling out your country’s fundamental values and interests in exchange for a bribe. If this were really what’s at stake in the war, he’d be right. But if not just a few, but thousands, including whole units, opt for the deal, it sends the message that Putin’s war aims are hollow. Of course, defectors can send that message directly as well, for instance through social media, and it would take a much higher level of repression than today’s to block it.
Too expensive? Way cheaper than war in every way. As an upper bound, consider that if 100,000 troops defect—which would likely end the war on the spot—the cost would come to $10 billion, far less than what will be spent on arms and lost through death and destruction.
Note that this is a weapon only the West can wield, since Russia can neither afford such largesse, nor would settlement in Russia be as attractive.
https://angrybearblog.com/2022/04/in-ukraine-use-the-weapon-the-russia
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Trump is 4 times more likely to be assassinated than to be reelected. Four Presidents have been assassinated, but only one President, Grover Cleveland, served non-consecutive terms. There could be a John Wilkes Booth for Trump. Maybe there are two? The second one is for Putin.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Turn that frown upside down, little buddy. Trump is coming back.
That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.
In any event... archived.
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Quote:I'm afraid you, Signym and Putin are full of it. Putin made his statistical calculation of when there would be a victory in Ukraine. His calculation was too optimistic, but that doesn't mean victory will never happen. Nor does it mean that nobody will kill Putin for his mathematical errors.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.
In any event... archived.
NASA said the same as 6ix says, but about Space Shuttle. NASA management said the probability of a catastrophic loss was a million to one. Richard Feynman did a back of the envelope calculation after 25 space shuttle flights and one crash to arrive at one chance in a hundred. Eventually there would be 135 Space Shuttle flights, 2 crashes, 14 dead. Feynman’s approximation was pretty close, but if he wanted the accuracy that 6ix wants, there would have to be thousands of Space Shuttle crashes and thousands of USA Presidents being assassinated in order to get the best estimate of the likelihood of Trump being murdered.
NASA’s Understanding of Risk in Apollo and Shuttle
Harry W. Jones NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA, 94035-0001
Mathematical risk analysis was used in Apollo**, but it gave unacceptably pessimistic results and was discontinued. Shuttle was designed without using risk analysis, under the assumption that good engineering would make it very safe. This approach led to an unnecessarily risky design, which led to the Shuttle tragedies. Although the Challenger disaster was due to a mistaken launch decision, it might have been avoided by a safer design. The ultimate cause of the Shuttle tragedies was the Apollo era decision to abandon risk analysis.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20190002249/downloads/20190002249.
6ix, if you do a risk analysis of Trump blowing up on TV like the Space Shuttle Challenger, it is more likely than him being reelected. That makes Trump as heroic as an astronaut, assuming Trump runs again for President. He'd be safer going to the Moon or Mars.
** Apollo 1 was expected to fly to Earth orbit in 1967 with astronauts Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Ed White on board. During a test on the launch pad, however, a fire erupted and rapidly asphyxiated all three astronauts.
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That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.
In any event... archived.
If we're talking statistics for kindergartners where there is only one variable, sure, you're on to something.
That's not how the real world works.
If it were, any dumb asshole like you could be a Statistician.
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Before Mr. Putin’s troops rolled into Ukraine, says Joanna Bryson, an ethics professor at the Hertie School in Berlin, it was easy to argue either for or against the idea that Mr. Putin may be a reliable partner for the West.
“Everyone could turn their heads both ways,” says Dr. Bryson. “Large numbers of people staked their entire identities and professional histories in saying things like ‘The Cold War was over, and we have these institutions that will secure us.’ Then suddenly Russia proved that one narrative was false and one narrative was true” – shaking Germany’s long-held policy foundation toward Russia to its core.
Prior to the invasion, government language and media coverage describing Mr. Putin’s troop buildup around Ukraine left it all open to different interpretations. The language allowed for nuance. Instead of “soldiers” it was “pro-Russian separatists,” for example.
“Now we’re falling back to old language that’s much more connected to Cold War times and classical war coverage,” says Dr. Liefke. “It’s Putin’s war. And it’s very clear that the Russian side are the bad guys and Ukrainians are the good guys. That is a big change. It’s an indication to society that it’s actually no longer acceptable to be somehow pro-Putin.”
This morality has brought trouble to public figures such as Gerhard Schröder, the former German chancellor who’s a close friend of Mr. Putin’s. After leaving public office, Mr. Schröder joined the board of Russian energy giant Gazprom with an accompanying hefty salary. Now Mr. Schröder’s political party is being pressured to oust him.
Mr. Schröder’s “relationship to Putin was always somehow disputable, but in the OK zone. It no longer is,” says Dr. Liefke.
Germany’s welcome to thousands of Ukrainian refugees also has a strong moral foundation, as society has opened its arms with donations of food and shelter, while the government proclaims there is no upper limit on the numbers of Ukrainians who can pass into the country. Analysts say the Ukraine war hits the right combination of factors: namely, flight from war or persecution by a population that’s geographically close and similar in culture and religion. (More than 70% of Ukrainians are Christian, as are the majority of Germans.)
Hence what ensued was a mass outpouring of empathy.
“It’s very clear and prominent in news media and political speeches that Ukrainians really are fleeing a war,” says Christian Cyzmara, a sociologist at Goethe University Frankfurt. “It also feels very drastic and close, which boosts acceptance among Germans and Europe in general.”
Germany is moving away from Russian energy, which will ultimately “help rid the world of the dictatorship of a degrading country.”
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2022/0428/Moral-nation-Why-Germ
any-changed-course-so-radically-on-Russia
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I'm afraid you, Signym and Putin are full of it.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.
In any event... archived.
If we're talking statistics for kindergartners where there is only one variable, sure, you're on to something.
That's not how the real world works.
If it were, any dumb asshole like you could be a Statistician.
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Awwwwwwww...
You're done with that dead-end line of thought, huh?
*pout*
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