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What is Putin's end game?

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:11 AM

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While not every use of genocidal hate speech leads to genocide, all genocides have been preceded by genocidal hate speech.



Oh yeah? Prove it.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 4:41 PM

At the height of the fighting, civilians were still trapped inside the city, with no access to food, water, power, heat, or medicine. Men, women, and children died of starvation and dehydration. Those who tried to escape were fired upon. Outsiders who tried to bring in supplies were fired upon as well. The bodies of the dead lay in the street for many days.

Yet even as these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people. As in the past, the use of jargon helped. This was not an invasion; it was a “special military operation.” This was not a mass murder of Ukrainians; it was “protection” for the inhabitants of the eastern-Ukrainian territories. This was not genocide; it was defense against “genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime.” The dehumanization of the Ukrainians was completed in early April, when RIA Novosti, a state-run website, published an article arguing that the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine would require the “liquidation” of the Ukrainian leadership, and even the erasure of the very name of Ukraine, because to be Ukrainian was to be a Nazi: “Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construct, which does not have any civilizational content of its own, and is a subordinate element of a foreign and alien civilization.” The existential threat was made clear on the eve of the war, when Putin reprised a decade’s worth of propaganda about the perfidious West, using language familiar to Russians: “They sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature.”

For anyone who might have seen photographs of Mariupol, explanations were provided. On March 23, Russian television did broadcast film of the city’s ruins — drone footage from CNN. But rather than take responsibility, they blamed the Ukrainians. One television anchorwoman, sounding sad, described the scene as “a horrifying picture. Ukrainian nationalists, as they retreat, are trying to leave no stone unturned.” The Russian Defense Ministry actually accused the Azov battalion, a famously radical Ukrainian fighting force, of blowing up the Mariupol theater, where hundreds of families with children had been sheltering. Why would über-patriotic Ukrainian forces deliberately kill Ukrainian children? That wasn’t explained — but then, nothing is ever explained. And if nothing can be known for certain, then no one can be blamed. Maybe Ukrainian “nationalists” destroyed Mariupol. Maybe not. No clear conclusions can be drawn, and no one can be held accountable.

Few feel remorse. Published recordings of telephone calls between Russian soldiers and their families—they are using ordinary SIM cards, so it’s easy to listen to them—are full of contempt for Ukrainians. “I shot the car,” one soldier tells a woman, perhaps his wife or sister, in one of the calls. “Shoot the motherfuckers,” she responds, “as long as it’s not you. Fuck them. Fucking drug addicts and Nazis.” They talk about stealing television sets, drinking cognac, and shooting people in forests. They show no concern about casualties, not even their own. Radio communications between the Russian soldiers attacking civilians in Bucha were just as cold-blooded.

All of this — the indifference to violence, the amoral nonchalance about mass murder, even the disdain for the lives of Russian soldiers — is familiar to anyone who knows Soviet history. But Russian citizens and Russian soldiers either don’t know that history or don’t care about it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:04 PM

Yeah...

None of that happened.

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THG
Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:30 PM

Putin gets what he didn't want: Ukraine army closer to West

WASHINGTON (AP) — The longer Ukraine's army fends off the invading Russians, the more it absorbs the advantages of Western weaponry and training — exactly the transformation President Vladimir Putin wanted to prevent by invading in the first place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-gets-what-he-didn-t-want-uk
raine-army-closer-to-west/ar-AAWAXHh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=29bf3ebca96648dcb78f1ae69d1a909b




Tisk tisk comrade. I told you so signym. I told you so.

T


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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:33 PM

You've told nothing worthwhile to anybody, Ted.



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THG
Tuesday, April 26, 2022 7:37 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You've told nothing worthwhile to anybody, Ted.
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Put down the bottle, get your rotten teeth fixed and see a psychiatrist.

T


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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 8:11 PM

Haven't had a drink i almost 5 years and 5 months.

My teeth were fixed over two years ago.

I have no need to see a psychiatrist.


Things are going my way buddy.

You behave no different 15 months into a Democrat ran country than you did 2 years into Trump's Presidency. You should probably be the one looking up numbers for a psychiatrist. Particularly after November 9th when Democrats lose power for the rest of our lives.

Although I'd reckon you'd have to find a REALLY good one since they won't be left with much to work with.



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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:30 PM

Fléchettes found in Bucha victims: evidence of Russian war crimes continues to grow

Forensic doctors say that civilians killed by Russians were found with metal arrows (fléchettes) embedded in their heads.

Dr. Vladyslave Pirovskyi, a Ukrainian forensic doctor, told The Guardian, “We found several really thin, nail-like objects in the bodies of men and women, and so did others of my colleagues...The majority of these bodies come from the Bucha-Irpin region.”

Shells are packed with up to 8,000 fléchettes and explode in a conical pattern, at times dispersing across an area as large as three football fields wide. Using imprecise lethal weapons in highly populated civilian areas is considered a war crime as it violates humanitarian law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fl%C3%A9chettes-found-in-bucha-vi
ctims-evidence-of-russian-war-crimes-continues-to-grow/ss-AAWB9I7


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette#Air-dropped


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 11:29 PM

Yeah, like the Russians did that.

Bullshit.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Putin gets what he didn't want: Ukraine army closer to West

WASHINGTON (AP) — The longer Ukraine's army fends off the invading Russians,

the more it will be destroyed.



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