Some Covid-19 thoughts
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Quote:You keep saying that but have never explained it in a way that made sense to me.
SIGNYM:
Been thinking about the ONE valid criticism about big pharma and the vaccination campaign, and that is:
Why haven't they invested as much money into looking at non-vaccine prevention and treatment as they have into vaccines?
DT:
Because the people doing this are scams. Scamming scammers scams.
Part of what colored my whole opinion on this entire issue was who was talking
Trump is and has always been a scammer, but not a killer. But a wheeler dealer
Biden was my neighbor, and my mom was Jill Bidens office mate for years. We always liked the Bidens fine, good honest hardworking people
So the political aspect never entered into it for me.
It's this
Fauci is a known major scam artist. He's the sleaziest person in probably the entire medical field.
Bill Gates, a man I met once, I think he believes in what he's doing, he's very socially awkward, but he is also a scam. His entire empire is and has been a litigious scam. Bill also steals other people's work and passes it off as his own. He's had weird nazi depopulation ideas that have come up in interviews, for years.
judy markowitz and luc montagnier have always struck me as honest people
Pfizer I have mixed feelings about, Moderna I didn't know well before this, but I kind of had Janssen down in my book as one of the IG Farbens of our time
The newly merged mainstream media I had begged as a giant ignorant lying machine, and the fact checkers as deliberately malicious
The health regulators were at best useless, and at worst corrupt
The WHO I had down as nazis from the get go. It seems for 50 years almost every intervention they do is related to population control, rather than helping populations
The WEF I had down as a total fucking scam
The various skeptical libertarian voices that spoke up against the vax were people i've trusted for years.
That said, when it hit, I didn't form a judgment, I looked a the science, and long before I read anyone else saying it, I thought "whoa, obvious fucking bioweapon"
Quote:What I mean was, Big Pharma would have no interest in studying, promoting, or making a drug that was basically a cheap commodity drug. Where's the money in that? So they would have an interest in casting doubt on any study that showed they were beneficial.
SIGNY: You can tell how much this means to vested interests because of the number of demonstrated and alleged scientific fraud around the issue of HCQ and ivermectin.
DT: huh? I mean, I don't see the conflict of interest with using HCQ or ivermectin. I mean, I obviously have my own personal doubts as to whether they're the right tools for the job. I have both in my medicine cabinet and I also have coronavirus and I've used neither one myself. But they're both cost based production essential medicines on the otherwise scammy WHO's essential medicines list, so there's no serious profit in either for anyone, it's probably why people were pumping them as possibilities
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SIGNY: There was a HUGE study, published in the Lancet IIRC that supposedly gathered data on tens (hundreds?) of thousands of patients from medical centers around the world showing that HCQ was ineffective at best and detrimental at worst. But the fraud should have been apparent to any medical researcher: too mcuh data collected and processed in too short a time by too few people, calculated by a company that only existed for 6 months. Just the sheer mechanics of getting data released from so many nations wth so many privacy laws would have precluded that timeline.
DT: I mean, I agree, but link? :) seriously though, I agree its probably a bad idea, but good to have just in case as a last resort. Both of them would be detrimental to your health.
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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/08/no_author/mrna-vaccines-the-silent
-weapon/Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You keep saying that but have never explained it in a way that made sense to me.
What that it's an obvious bioweapon?
Old bioweapon tactic. Soviets used to use it. For a while in the 90s I worked for a company that dealt with plastics and contracted with our dept of chemical and biological weapons, because containment was an issue, and we working on similar things. Here's a recent piece on this I ran into a few days ago
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/08/no_author/mrna-vaccines-the-silent
-weapon/
but this is an obvious tactic. Most pathogens are just not universally destructive enough to ensure that they would adversely affect soldiers on the field that would make bioweapons militarily useful. Sure, they could be used for depopulation, but if it doesn't slow the invading enemy down before he shoots you, it's no use. Forcing an overactive immune response is much more effective at stopping someone in the short time. Making Phil's dad's lungs explode in 3 days is combat useful. Killing him in 8 months from a chronic lung eating viral infection is not.
The covid vaccines contain a maximum amount of impact to create the maximum immune response possible, as does the engineer pathogen, which creates its own cytokine storm. Add to that, there are possible overlaps between the genes in the virus and ones in essential human enzymes, and the obvious autoimmune responses already reported
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/upl
oads/attachment_data/file/1013606/COVID-19_AstraZenenca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_18.08.2021.pdf
Maximum immmune response way passed anything that's been done in the past to a protein that contains essential human genes classifies as obvious bioweapon to meQuote:
What I mean was, Big Pharma would have no interest in studying, promoting, or making a drug that was basically a cheap commodity drug. Where's the money in that? So they would have an interest in casting doubt on any study that showed they were beneficial.
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This may not be the best article but it was the first one that popped up. I first heard about this on Chris Martenson's video
The Lancet Retracts Hydroxychloroquine Study
une 4, 2020 - The online medical journal The Lancet has apologized to readers after retracting a study that said the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine did not help to curb COVID-19 and might cause death in patients.
The study was withdrawn because the company that provided data would not provide full access to the information for a third-party peer review, saying to do so would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements, The Lancet said in a statement.
So fake news. They posted a study saying it didn't help, from a non-credible source that wouldn't allow itself to be revealed and then retracted said study. Well it worked. I read a lot of skepticism on it and didn't end up taking the HCQ. Someone else who did the same may have died, who knows
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Well, the one thing that Chris Martenson was insistent on was that, if HCQ was an antiviral, you would have to take it EARLY in the course of the illness, either as a pre-exposure prophylatic or a post-exposure prophylactic. Very early in the course of the disease. Because once the virus had replicated everywhere in your body, it was kinda late to stop it.
Just a little context on that. He looked at a lot of studies where doctors were administering high doses to people who were already on ventilators. By then it was far past the point of having any benefit and patients could only experience the long QT side effect that went with the doses that were 2000X (IIRC) the standard anti-malarial dose.
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FROM your Lew Rockwell link:
Quote:DNA manipulation using CRISPER technology is illegal, not bc of a bioweapons treaty but bc scientists have agreed that it is immoral. (However, a Chinese scientist DID perform genetic manipulation on two fetuses, leading to healthy births. Long story that nobody has followed up with.)
This is why it is important to understand that under this treaty gene-splicing and DNA manipulation used in the recent CRISPR technology and Covid-19 mRNA vaccines is illegal.
HOWEVER, I don't know that mRNA manipulation is "illegal". I tried searching on "mRNA contravene bioweapons treaty" and except for a lot of woo-woo consipracy theories, I couldn't find any reference to any treaty, law, or regulation concerning mRNA-work.
I suppose it COULD be used to prompt the ribosomes to make problematic proteins, but since the virus (and most of its variants) have been fully sequenced, and the mRNA vaccines represent only the spike portion (S)of the full viral genome, which also included the envelope (E), membrane (M), and nucleocapsid (N) proteins, the vaccine should be significantly less problematic than the full viral challenge.
BTW, without the rest of the genomic sequence, the virus can't replicate.
Anyway, I intend to read your links further.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, the one thing that Chris Martenson was insistent on was that, if HCQ was an antiviral, you would have to take it EARLY in the course of the illness, either as a pre-exposure prophylatic or a post-exposure prophylactic. Very early in the course of the disease. Because once the virus had replicated everywhere in your body, it was kinda late to stop it.
Not sure that makes sense. I waited a month to take antivirals and they worked just fine. I didn't take HCQ though because of the dubiousness of studies. I took some herbals. Fucoidan was the most effective. Silymarin seemed to have some effect, and Hesperidin and Artemisinin. I also took EGCG, Boswellia and Berberine as anti-inflammatories. This overall seems to annihilate the covid19 in about a week, after getting nowhere for a month. I added a GcMAF to the mix to keep my low level immune response strong. I was specifically trying to defeat it that way to avoid the high level immune response that can lead to autoimmune disorders. I figured anything you could get from the spike in the vax you can get from the spike in the actual virus. I'm not sure it's gone yet, but I think it is, I'm going to keep taking my regimen for a while anyway just in case.Quote:
Just a little context on that. He looked at a lot of studies where doctors were administering high doses to people who were already on ventilators. By then it was far past the point of having any benefit and patients could only experience the long QT side effect that went with the doses that were 2000X (IIRC) the standard anti-malarial dose.
Yeah, I got why. I just think the length of illness isn't a factor. Respirator is the wrong response to this condition. It's endothelial inflammation, it really should be treated with anti-inflammatories first. Not only can you get more air into the lungs like this, you will also not need it. You can reduce the heart rate and increase the efficiency of the heart with a stronger pulse. There are so many variables between incoming air and distribution of blood oxygen and most of them are not even directly related to the lungs. The major inhibitory effect on o2 here is done by the silencing of vasoconstriction by the loss of ACE2 receptors.
I just think the people who came up with ventilators as a solution to covid were just, not the people who should have been on the problem. It's not that "you reach that stage" that just fails to understand how this disease progresses. 90% or more of the damage is inflammation, and 80% at least of that is cardiac and not pulmonary. All of this has the same effect of lowering o2 sat, but I think if you correct all the other factors and you still need a ventilator, with the way this virus does damage, your patient is already dead. But like Phil's dad. No way 3 days in the virus has done that might cellular damage layer by layer. It's inflammation causing that problem. What I did in my own case, I was definitely having serious trouble breathing, but I took a heart first approach, and an inflammation first approach, then once i had stabilized the o2 and HR I went researching on the antivirals.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FROM your Lew Rockwell link:
This is why it is important to understand that under this treaty gene-splicing and DNA manipulation used in the recent CRISPR technology and Covid-19 mRNA vaccines is illegal.
DNA manipulation using CRISPER technology is illegal, not bc of a bioweapons treaty but bc scientists have agreed that it is immoral. (However, a Chinese scientist DID perform genetic manipulation on two fetuses, leading to healthy births. Long story that nobody has followed up with.)
HOWEVER, I don't know that mRNA manipulation is "illegal". I tried searching on "mRNA contravene bioweapons treaty" and except for a lot of woo-woo consipracy theories, I couldn't find any reference to any trea
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Quote:A Chinese scientist CLAIMED to have successfully used CRISPER-Cas9 to modify embryos. Other experiments have shown that modifying an embryo very early in development - that you would need to do to have the genetic changes present in all cells in the adults - result in serious unintended DNA alterations, developmental problems in the embryo, and non-viable embryos. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01906-4
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(However, a Chinese scientist DID perform genetic manipulation on two fetuses, leading to healthy births. Long story that nobody has followed up with.)
As for the supposed letter it's so full of basic biological misstatements I don't even know where to begin to discuss it.
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Quote:I guess that explains the lack of followup, then!
SIGNYM:
(However, a Chinese scientist DID perform genetic manipulation on two fetuses, leading to healthy births. Long story that nobody has followed up with.)
KIKI: A Chinese scientist CLAIMED to have successfully used CRISPER-Cas9 to modify embryos. Other experiments have shown that modifying an embryo very early in development - that you would need to do to have the genetic changes present in all cells in the adults - result in serious unintended DNA alterations, developmental problems in the embryo, and non-viable embryos. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01906-4
All I saw was the splashy headlines in the M$M.
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SIGNYM: FROM your Lew Rockwell link:
Quote:DNA manipulation using CRISPER technology is illegal, not bc of a bioweapons treaty but bc scientists have agreed that it is immoral. (However, a Chinese scientist DID perform genetic manipulation on two fetuses, leading to healthy births. Long story that nobody has followed up with.)
This is why it is important to understand that under this treaty gene-splicing and DNA manipulation used in the recent CRISPR technology and Covid-19 mRNA vaccines is illegal.
EDITED TO ADD: KIKI has pointed out that Chinese claims of direct DNA manipulation was debunked.
HOWEVER, I don't know that mRNA manipulation is "illegal". I tried searching on "mRNA contravene bioweapons treaty" and except for a lot of woo-woo consipracy theories, I couldn't find any reference to any treaty, law, or regulation concerning mRNA-work.
I suppose it COULD be used to prompt the ribosomes to make problematic proteins, but since the virus (and most of its variants) have been fully sequenced, and the mRNA vaccines represent only the spike portion (S)of the full viral genome, which also included the envelope (E), membrane (M), and nucleocapsid (N) proteins, the vaccine should be significantly less problematic than the full viral challenge.
BTW, without the rest of the genomic sequence, the virus can't replicate.
Anyway, I intend to read your links further.
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So, continuing my careful readings of your links. RE the Lew Rockwell letter, Bioweapons Convention
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forbids States Parties from developing, producing, stockpiling, or otherwise acquiring biological agents or toxins that have no justification for peaceful or defensive purposes;
forbids States Parties from developing, producing, stockpiling, or otherwise acquiring equipment to deliver biological agents or toxins for hostile purposes;...
... protects the rights of States Parties to exchange equipment, materials, and scientific and technological information for peaceful purposes in order to avoid hampering their economic and technological development;...
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/biological-weapons-convention/
Nowhere does it prohibit gene or mRNA therapy.
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From the Lew Rockwell link
Quote:Proteins are assembled by RNA IN RIBOSOMES, NOT IN THE NUCLEUS.
In the nucleus, the proteins are made from the mRNA sequence in a process known as translation.
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The three roles of RNA
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21603/
That fundamental misunderstanding colors everything that comes after. There is a CONSTANT conflation of RNA and DNA, which is being used to drive fears of "genetic modifications".
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From the Lew Rockwell link
Quote:HOW???
They also found the way to effectively hijack the body’s natural immune processes by producing overstimulation of the immune system through the “reprogramming”
Evidence-free claim.
Quote:Antibodies are NOT cytokines. This has nothing to do with 'cytokine storm'
of the human immune system responses to those manmade-modified external pathogens. The over stimulation of the body’s immune system was purposed to cause serious immunological reactions and remove the body’s responsibility to release antibodies
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when the body decided to do so. Once the immune system was continuously in overdrive and self-exhausted (similar example of self-exhaust would be like a cancer patient whose immune system gets depleted from chemo-therapy), the body weakened and became susceptible to mild infections, like a cold, and could no longer fight off infections. For the Soviets, this breakthrough became important “silent warfare” for mass destruction.
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Continuing
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All I know from this thread right now is that there are reams of information about the virus and the vaccine that not 0.001% of the dummies that got vaccinated have any clue about.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All I know from this thread right now is that there are reams of MISinformation about the virus and the vaccine that not 0.001% of the dummies that got vaccinated have any clue about.
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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
The frothing and hyperventilation about the vaccine is just like the frothing and hyperventilation about TRUMP!RUSSIA!
In fact, if you read the Lew Rockwell letter, you'll see more frothing about SOVIETS!RUSSIA! It's almost as if the author want to tag along on a previous disinformation campaign to bolster his own disinformation campaign.
I come back to what I've posted several times already: There are serious CONFLICTING national and commercial interests at play.
If J&J detected somethng hinky in the Pfizer/BNT vaccine, do you seriously think they would let it pass??? If China and Russia detected anything hinky in any western vaccine, do you seriously think they would let it pass??? (And yes, I DO read English-language versions of Russian and Chinese press.)
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Oh, BTW, SIX - AFA gene sequencing is concerned. everything I know about it comes from what I read about the human genome sequencing project, way back when, when it was occuring. (Previous knowledge, untainted by current political controversies.)
The four nucleic acids that make up DNA are, for convenience, represented by letters: A, C, G, and T
These nucleic acids are in a (mostly) linear sequence, in which the order is meaningful. Here is a random example sequence
ACTGACTGAACCTTGA
If you want to know the sequence, you break up the DNA, starting with (for example) and enzyme that breaks the TG bond, so you wind up with
ACT
GACT
GAACCTT
GA
You don't know what order these go in, so you then break up the DNA with an enzyme that breaks the AC bond
A
CTGA
CTGAA
CCTTGA
etc.
The challenge is writing software that can put all of these in order. There was a race between Craig Venter, who had formed a private company in 1998 because he wanted to patent the human genome, and a university-based effort, which relied on the programming efforts of one dedicated free software programmer.
Altho the discovery was declared a "tie", it was my impression at the time that the university-based effort had actually won the race. Here is a broad-brush history.
https://www.yourgenome.org/stories/why-was-there-a-race-to-sequence-th
e-human-genome
So, in a previous video by [some guy] who [claims to be the] [biggest underwriter of intagible assets around the world] he complains, at some point, that DNA information is "interleaved" and that we don't really know the sequence.
That problem has apparently been solved lo these many years ago.
Anyway, that's my understanding of the process. RNA is sequenced similarly, altho it is made of somehwat different building blocks.
The point being that all of this knowledge ...
the role of DNA and RNA in protein synthesis [DNA makes RNA and RNA makes protein was known 50 years ago],
how to sequence DNA and RNA,
where DNA and RNA are active, and where they are not.
"epigenetic" factors that turn DNA on and off, etc ...
were known long before Covid-19 reared its ugly head. That knowledge is not tainted by current political considerations. There is some basic knowledge that must be stipulated when discussing SARS-CoV2, and if not stipulated must be backed by evidence ["Extraordiary claims must be backed by extraordinary evidence"]
Show me the evidence.
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