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Some Covid-19 thoughts

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 6:57 AM

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:06 AM

Neil deGrasse Tyson @neiltyson tweeted:

In case anyone is curious...
Right now in the USA, every ten days, more than 8,000 (unvaccinated) Republican voters are dying of COVID-19. That’s 5X the rate for Democrats.

5:54 AM · Aug 31, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1432657940071297026

Neil deGrasse Tyson @neiltyson tweeted a Reply to @Chuck_Huber

Thanks for asking. Twitter, of course, does not lend itself to full citations.

I derived the number from published COVID-19 death rates of unvaccinated people (about 1,000 per day). And from the polls that show 25% of Republican voters are unvaccinated, versus 5% of Democrats.

6:11 AM · Aug 31, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1432662324855377920

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 9:57 AM

Second,

Here's the mistake you're making

the fact that the vaccine is actually a bioweapon being used as a weapon and is not a vaccine is not a conspiracy theory, or even a theory or a speculation. it's a known fact that exists in objective reality. Anything else is pure fantasy.

the only thing you achieve with this fantasy, is your own mutilation by bioweapon.

So there are many more unvaccinated republicans than democrats. if he means more republicans are dying overall, is someone killing them? is it because they're white, and gates and co are trying to kill white people?

no possible conclusion you can actually draw from the data will overturn objective reality which is already known, so instead either it has an explanation like this, or it is otherwise fiction.

done debating this. A father of a friend of mine died from the vax this morning, I'm sick of this sh*t

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 10:28 AM

Neil deGrasse Tyson is a cunt that can't go two seconds without blowing himself.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 6:04 PM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Second,

the fact that the vaccine is actually a bioweapon being used as a weapon . . .

done debating this. A father of a friend of mine died from the vax this morning, I'm sick of this sh*t

Show me the list of people who have attached their real names to "the vaccine is actually a bioweapon". There must be a list, or petition, or a manifesto, somewhere. I would also expect people who would sign the petition, but have not yet because they need to remain covert, would have already blown up at least one vaccine factory.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 6:28 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 7:09 PM

As long as you're not sneezing or coughing on me, you're welcome here if you're vaccinated.

We're not kissing or fucking though, and don't drink out of my cup.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Wednesday, September 1, 2021 11:17 PM

Been thinking about the ONE valid criticism about big pharma and the vaccination campaign, and that is:

Why haven't they invested as much money into looking at non-vaccine prevention and treatment as they have into vaccines?

You can tell how much this means to vested interests because of the number of demonstrated and alleged scientific fraud around the issue of HCQ and ivermectin.

There was a HUGE study, published in the Lancet IIRC that supposedly gathered data on tens (hundreds?) of thousands of patients from medical centers around the world showing that HCQ was ineffective at best and detrimental at worst. But the fraud should have been apparent to any medical researcher: too mcuh data collected and processed in too short a time by too few people, calculated by a company that only existed for 6 months. Just the sheer mechanics of getting data released from so many nations wth so many privacy laws would have precluded that timeline.
Data collected from an impossible number of advanced cardiac care centers in Africa. Data from medical centers in Australia which said they never were contacted by the authors. The fraud was (apparently) so blatant that the publication had to be withdrawn.

And then, there was an Egyptian study involving 10,000 patients and ivermectin which showed astonishingly positive results, and similar charges of scientific fraud. I am not familiar with the details, but I have to say that these incidences ... and charge... of fraud certainly have mudied the water! It's hard to "follow the science" when scientists have become so malleable!

There seems to be multiple campaigns against AND for off-label Rx of cheap medications that it's impossible to find reliable data anywhere.

Is it any wonder that the one approved treatment - monoclonal antibodies - is expen$ive?

Which leads me to think about why Big Pharma is doing what it's doing, and that's MONEY. It all boils down to revenue $tream.

And government is doing what IT'S doing (lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine campaigns) for a different reason: AUTHORITARIANISM/FASCISM. Make people depend on government handouts and regulations.

And BigTech/deep state is doing what it's doing for its own purposes: POWER. Control of all modes of communication.

And the globalists are doing what they're doing for their own purposes: DESTROY NATIONS by pitting people against each other for what is hyped as existential reasons.

It's like the Iraq invasion: there were a lot of people in power who were for it, but a lot of factions had different reasons for the same goal:

Some wanted to support the petrodollar.
Some wanted Iraq's oil.
Some wanted to surround Russia.
Some wanted to protect Israel.
Some wanted Armageddon.
Some thought Saddam was involved in 9-11.
Some thought that Saddam had WMD.
Some may have even thought they were deposing a tyrant, or spreading democracy.

Everyone wanted the same action, but each faction had a different reason.

I feel that we're looking at the same thing now. There ARE conspiracies, but it's not one world-straddling conspiracy but a lot of big ones, simply because there are so many powerful factions that want to make use of this event for their own purposes.

They don't all have the same reasons, but they're all hopping onboard the train.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 7:43 AM

Republican trust in media keeps sinking to new lows, opening door to overlapping misinformation

Every week we read a new story about a conservative media figure who downplayed Covid-19 or mocked the vaccines and wound up hospitalized or dead. Almost as often, we see sad new examples of overlapping misinformation.

Here's what I mean by "overlapping misinformation:" An attorney representing many high-profile suspects from the January 6 riot -- a riot of lies -- has apparently been hospitalized due to Covid. The California-based attorney, John Pierce, has not been showing up for hearings "after reportedly becoming ill with Covid-19," CNN's Katelyn Polantz reported, citing DOJ filings.

Prosecutors said they believe he "may be in the hospital and that his absence has effectively brought several cases to a standstill."

"Prior to his reported health issues," ABC's team reported, "Pierce pushed conspiracy theories surrounding the insurrection on his Twitter account, where he also espoused anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists." See? Overlapping misinformation.

Another example was in the news last week: Arizona's sham election "audit" report was delayed after the Cyber Ninjas CEO and others tested positive for Covid-19. CNN's team noted that the "Ninjas" were often seen without masks, and it was "not clear whether those who tested positive had been vaccinated."

Disbelief in election results and distrust of the vaccines are connected. One of the connections is an utter lack of confidence in institutional sources of information. One of the consequences is a pandemic that could have been brought under control by now. Which leads me to this new poll...

Losing trust

The Pew Research Center released a discouraging data set this week. "In just five years, the percentage of Republicans with at least some trust in national news organizations has been cut in half -- dropping from 70% in 2016 to 35% this year," Jeffrey Gottfried and Jacob Liedke wrote. "This decline is fueling the continued widening of the partisan gap in trust of the media."

Overall, Pew found, 58% of US adults say they have at least some trust in the information from national news outlets. "This is the smallest share over the past five years this question was asked," Pew said.

Of course, this reflects the views of everyone from MAGA diehards who believe Donald Trump's "enemy of the people" smears all the way to leftists who believe the press went way too easy on Trump's undemocratic conduct. Plus, each person's definition of "national news organizations" is different. But the GOP's collapse in trust is colossal. (And this isn't the only poll to say so. Gallup showed a similarly bleak divide late last year.)

Whether you feel these numbers make "the media" look bad or make Republicans look bad, they're absolutely worthy of analysis, because they telegraph what's happening to the country writ large. As Sara Fischer wrote for Axios, "the polarization of trust in the media presents one of the most clear and troubling signs for American democracy."

The United States is one country with two almost completely separate media ecosystems. These ecosystems have different values; prioritize different subjects; and reach different populations. It's getting almost impossible to appeal to both...


Democrats believe; Republicans disbelieve

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/media/republicans-losing-trust-media-re
liable-sources/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, September 2, 2021 8:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Been thinking about the ONE valid criticism about big pharma and the vaccination campaign, and that is:

Why haven't they invested as much money into looking at non-vaccine prevention and treatment as they have into vaccines?



Because the people doing this are scams. Scamming scammers scams.

Part of what colored my whole opinion on this entire issue was who was talking

Trump is and has always been a scammer, but not a killer. But a wheeler dealer
Biden was my neighbor, and my mom was Jill Bidens office mate for years. We always liked the Bidens fine, good honest hardworking people

So the political aspect never entered into it for me.

It's this

Fauci is a known major scam artist. He's the sleaziest person in probably the entire medical field.

Bill Gates, a man I met once, I think he believes in what he's doing, he's very socially awkward, but he is also a scam. His entire empire is and has been a litigious scam. Bill also steals other people's work and passes it off as his own. He's had weird nazi depopulation ideas that have come up in interviews, for years.

judy markowitz and luc montagnier have always struck me as honest people

Pfizer I have mixed feelings about, Moderna I didn't know well before this, but I kind of had Janssen down in my book as one of the IG Farbens of our time

The newly merged mainstream media I had begged as a giant ignorant lying machine, and the fact checkers as deliberately malicious

The health regulators were at best useless, and at worst corrupt

The WHO I had down as nazis from the get go. It seems for 50 years almost every intervention they do is related to population control, rather than helping populations

The WEF I had down as a total fucking scam

The various skeptical libertarian voices that spoke up against the vax were people i've trusted for years.

That said, when it hit, I didn't form a judgment, I looked a the science, and long before I read anyone else saying it, I thought "whoa, obvious fucking bioweapon"

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You can tell how much this means to vested interests because of the number of demonstrated and alleged scientific fraud around the issue of HCQ and ivermectin.

huh? I mean, I don't see the conflict of interest with using HCQ or ivermectin. I mean, I obviously have my own personal doubts as to whether they're the right tools for the job. I have both in my medicine cabinet and I also have coronavirus and I've used neither one myself. But they're both cost based production essential medicines on the otherwise scammy WHO's essential medicines list, so there's no serious profit in either for anyone, it's probably why people were pumping them as possibilities
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There was a HUGE study, published in the Lancet IIRC that supposedly gathered data on tens (hundreds?) of thousands of patients from medical centers around the world showing that HCQ was ineffective at best and detrimental at worst. But the fraud should have been apparent to any medical researcher: too mcuh data collected and processed in too short a time by too few people, calculated by a company that only existed for 6 months. Just the sheer mechanics of getting data released from so many nations wth so many privacy laws would have precluded that timeline.

I mean, I agree, but link? :) seriously though, I agree its probably a bad idea, but good to have just in case as a last resort. Both of them would be detrimental to your health.

But you know, they weren't made as suggestions for good medical reasons, they were made because the capacity to make large amounts at low cost for the world was available, and they had some effectiveness against the virus. I seriously doubt there was a profit motive there. If someone wanted to make money off this, they would have recommended a premium patented antiviral that their company owned. The fact that Pfizer didn't do this makes me think the whole thing

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