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Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:56 AM

10,000 mink are dead in Covid-19 outbreaks at US fur farms after virus believed spread by humans

Mink, which are closely related to weasels, otter and ferrets, appear to suffer similar symptoms to humans. Difficulty breathing and crusting around the eyes are usually seen, but the virus progresses rapidly, and most infected mink are dead by the next day, according to Taylor.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/09/us/mink-covid-outbreak-trnd/index.h
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Saturday, October 10, 2020 7:01 AM


There’s something strange about this coronavirus pandemic. Even after months of extensive research by the global scientific community, many questions remain open.

Thanks for posting this, Signy. I did run across this but didn't post because ... lazy, I guess. But I should have known at least you would be interested, and posted it if only for you.

I just have some comments. As you know, I've been puzzling over the spread of SARS-CoV-2 for quite some time. And I'd already concluded that 1) The point of introduction into a population is determined by sheer dumb luck; 2) How it spreads within that population is determined by population characteristics; and 3) Random visitations of superspreader events are like gasoline on smouldering kindling (and I imagined there might even be super-superspreader situations, where superspread is so rampant it triggers multiple other superspreader events in a nuclear-fusion-chain-reaction style).

But I disagree that superspreader events are the primary mode of transmission. Because that doesn't explain what, if this were a Sherlock Holmes mystery story, I'd title "The Strange Case of Southern California".

As you know, there's some reason to believe SARS-CoV-2 was in SoCal as early as December 2019, based on a large swell of people with flu-and-cough doctor's visits (iirc 75% above recent, and above normal). And that makes sense to me, considering the volume of air traffic between SoCal and China. But SoCal didn't have a signal event, like Washington's and Sweden's sudden explosion of illness and death in nursing homes, or N Italy's sudden explosion of illness and death in its elderly at-home population. COVID-19 in SoCal went under the radar for months.

Due to cases in CentralCal, the state imposed stay-at-home March 19, 2020 (almost 4 months after SARS-CoV-2 entered SoCal); LACounty and the State of California issued mask recommendations April 03, 2020; The City of Los Angeles made masks outside the home a requirement on April 07, 2020; and the State of California made masks a requirement June 19, 2020.

Though really, really late compared to community spread, one would think stay-at-home would have eliminated superspreader events, since there were no more large gatherings of people (except at meat processing plants of which there are an abundance here in SoCal, and which became the epicenters of outbreaks in their communities). And one would think masks would have damped overall transmission in the community. Well ... something did go right, since SoCal is 30th on the list of states for per-capita cases and 27th on the list for per capita deaths, DESPITE months of unrecognized and unaddressed community spread. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

But it hasn't stamped out the virus, as the superspreader theory would predict. Because that theory says that if the virus isn't sparking superspreader events, it's dying out. And how long does it take for the virus to go through one infection cycle? 2 weeks? If you stopped all superspreading at once, it seems like it should take 2 weeks for SARS-CoV-2 to disappear.

It looks like sometimes the virus enters a population and fizzles out. And sometimes it enters a populations and explodes. Sometimes when it's widespread in the community it acts like the flu and causes a groundswell of overall infection. And sometimes it enters a population and embeds itself.

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Saturday, October 10, 2020 9:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Headlines are looking like this

Quote:

Spanish Government Seals Off Madrid As COVID-19 Crisis Worsens; Merkel Says "Tougher Measures" Coming: Live Updates
ummary:

Italy tops 5,000 new cases
Spanish gov't locks down Madrid
Merkel says she will impose tougher measures if no improvement seen in ten days
London mayor says lockdown "inevitable"
Netherland reports latest record jump
Spain declares "public health emergency" in Madrid
France places more cities on lockdown
Confirmed COVID-19 cases neared daily record yesterday
Russia reports new record
Takeda enrolls first patients for new drug trial
China joins WHO vaccine initiative
Iran bars hospitals from taking non-urgent cases as COVID hammers country

* * *

Update (1100ET): Italy just recorded 5,372 new cases on Friday, topping 5,000 new cases for the first time since March 29, according to JHU data. Yesterday, Italy reported 4,458 new cases, which was, at the time, the largest daily tally since April 11.



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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/frances-expands-localized-lockdowns-
global-covid-19-cases-see-near-record-jump-live-updates


Australia's prolonged lockdown is just ... brutal. And nonsensical, since they've included a curfew (why? Is the virus more contagious at night?)

In Melbourne, the restrictions are

Quote:

– No traveling more than 5 kilometers (3.1 miles) from their homes;

– No traveling to other states inside of the country;

– Those under house arrest [everyone] are permitted to leave home for just one hour each day for exercise;

– Only one person is permitted to go shopping per family each day; shopping is to be done within 5 kilometers from home;

– Unlike traditional prisons, visitations are not permitted to house arrestees;

– All school activities are to be conducted online;

– All businesses, services and construction cancelled;

– Organized sport, forget it;

– In the case of funerals, try and delay your demise if at all possible, otherwise, expect just 10 guests;

– Ditto for weddings;

– Curfew in effect between 8 pm and 5 am.

Meanwhile, as to be expected, the authorities have been enthusiastic about meting out their street justice on people who allegedly violate the regime’s rules. And not just on the street. The police have been authorized to enter private residences without a warrant.


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/12/letters-from-melbour
ne-ghost-town-police-state-under-brutal-covid-lockdown
/

SOME jurisdictions have used Covid-19 as an excuse to ban the sale of guns(??) and alcohol.

There are two things missing from the latest uptick:

Deaths, and masks.

When people start runnig around with their hair on fire about "cases", the first thing I do is check divoc-91 for attendant "deaths". And so far, I'm not seeing the same meteoritic rise.

Quote:

In the last several weeks, Melbourne has introduced shockingly draconian anti-Covid measures, imposed on the metropolis of some 5 million souls. What tragedy was responsible for spurring officials to leap into action? To blame was a fractional uptick in the number of coronavirus deaths – seven to be exact, and all involving citizens above the age of 70 years old.

The media jumped on the “new single-day record in Victoria,” which brought the state death toll to 56. I repeat, 56, and the overwhelming majority of those cases involved elderly people in nursing facilities, some of which are under investigation for their handling of patients. While it goes without saying that elderly lives matter, do seven elderly deaths really warrant the shutdown of one of Australia’s busiest cities?


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/12/letters-from-melbour
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Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
10,000 mink are dead in Covid-19 outbreaks at US fur farms after virus believed spread by humans

Mink, which are closely related to weasels, otter and ferrets, appear to suffer similar symptoms to humans. Difficulty breathing and crusting around the eyes are usually seen, but the virus progresses rapidly, and most infected mink are dead by the next day, according to Taylor.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/09/us/mink-covid-outbreak-trnd/index.h
tml


the pawer wee things




My question is can you give it to moles and raccoons?

I might find a use for this yet.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:05 PM


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

https://www.portland.gov/omf/covid-19-situation-status-reports-emergen
cy-coordination-center

https://www.portland.gov/sites/default/files/2020-08/2020.08.27_portla
nd-situation-report_final.pdf



Thanks! for the links.

First of all - those graphs are CUMULATIVE graphs of cases and deaths. OF COURSE they'll continue to go up !! since not too many people will revert to 'never infected' or 'undead'.

If you look at the cases by date that I linked https://multco.us/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/regional-covid-19-data-da
shboard
, you'll see that the 'cases' started their rise between the week of May 25, 2020* and May 31, 2020 - far too early to be accounted for by any protests/(riots). There needs to be at least a 2 week lag - for people to become symptomatic and go to the doctor.

And cases then peak the week of July 5, 2020 after which they drop off steeply, far too early compared to the ongoing protests/(riots) which should have sustained the outbreak if they were, indeed, the cause.

Second of all, you need to be careful about increases of 'cases' since - as Fearless Leader has noted - the more tests you do, the more 'cases' you'll find. In this instance, you'll see a disconnect between 'cases' and 'deaths' (after accounting for a 2-3 week lag to give confirmed 'cases' time to become 'deaths'). That indicates more testing, uncovering more 'cases'.

'Deaths' is a better measure (after a 4-6 week lag to confirm 'cases' and for those confirmed 'cases' to become 'deaths'.)

*Third, George Floyd died May 25, 2020. As I noted (above) 'cases' and 'deaths' were occurring far too early to be caused by the protests/(riots).

Your linky crashes my browser.

Yes, I understand how graphs work. Plus derivatives. But I have not seen evidence that you do.


I tried to extract actual data from that Portland.gov site which I linked. Jeez, I thought the Libtards in Madison were horrible at providing WI data. But these Portland Tards are even worse.

There seem to be 2 sequences of data, which don't mesh. I will list both which I could determine. This is all for Multnomah County.


First, I will call this "posted counts"

Ap 2 0122

My 7 0793 thru 7th
My14 0940 +147 thru 13th (6 days)
My21 1018 +078 thru 20th
My28 1093 +075 thru 27th
Jn 4 1228 +135 thru 3rd
Jn11 1407 +179 thru 11th (8 days)
Jn18 1665 +258
Jn25 1970 +305 thru 24/25th
Jl 2 2304 +334 thru 2nd
Jl 9 2697 +393 thru 9th
Jl16 3199 +502 thru 14th (5 days)
Jl23 3748 +549 thru 23rd (9 days)
Jl30 4131 +383 thru 28th (5 days)
Au 6 4574 +443 thru 4th
Au13 5046 +472 thru 11th
Au20 5500 +454
Au27 5822 +322
Se 3 6141 +319
Se10 6442 +301
Se17 6724 +282
Se24 7031 +307
Oc 1 7392 +361
Oc 8 7773 +381


I will call this "calculated counts from posted data"

Ap 2 0122

My 7 0793 thru 7th
My14 0940 +147
My21 1018 +078
My28 1093 +075
Jn 4 1228 +135
Jn11 1407 +179
Jn18 1665 +258
Jn25 1970 +305 thru 24/25th
Jl 2 2304 +334 thru 2nd
Jl 9 2697 +393 thru 9th
Jl16 3005 +308 thru 14th
Jl23 3622 +617 thru 21st
Jl30 4131 +509 thru 28th
Au 6 4574 +443 thru 4th
Au13 5046 +472 thru 11th
Au20 5459 +413
Au27 5822 +363
Se 3 6141 +319
Se10 6442 +301
Se17 6724 +282
Se24 7031 +307
Oc 1 7392 +361
Oc 8 7773 +381


As you can see, with either set of data, prior to June, no week had new cases exceed 150, even with hinky reporting back then.
And then, from 19 June until 9 September, the weekly new case total never falls below 300.
For folk who are not Libtards, this is not a difficult concept to comprehend. Perhaps you can try to explain to one of your non-Libtard friends how new case rates below 150 per week had DROPPED all the way down "steeply" to 300-600 per week, and this means there was no increase during this superspreader event.

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Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Headlines are looking like this

Quote:

Spanish Government Seals Off Madrid As COVID-19 Crisis Worsens; Merkel Says "Tougher Measures" Coming: Live Updates
ummary:

Italy tops 5,000 new cases
Spanish gov't locks down Madrid
Merkel says she will impose tougher measures if no improvement seen in ten days
London mayor says lockdown "inevitable"
Netherland reports latest record jump
Spain declares "public health emergency" in Madrid
France places more cities on lockdown
Confirmed COVID-19 cases neared daily record yesterday
Russia reports new record
Takeda enrolls first patients for new drug trial
China joins WHO vaccine initiative
Iran bars hospitals from taking non-urgent cases as COVID hammers country

* * *

Update (1100ET): Italy just recorded 5,372 new cases on Friday, topping 5,000 new cases for the first time since March 29, according to JHU data. Yesterday, Italy reported 4,458 new cases, which was, at the time, the largest daily tally since April 11.



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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/frances-expands-localized-lockdowns-
global-covid-19-cases-see-near-record-jump-live-updates


Australia's prolonged lockdown is just ... brutal. And nonsensical, since they've included a curfew (why? Is the virus more contagious at night?)

In Melbourne, the restrictions are

Quote:

– No traveling more than 5 kilometers (3.1 miles) from their homes;

– No traveling to other states inside of the country;

– Those under house arrest [everyone] are permitted to leave home for just one hour each day for exercise;

– Only one person is permitted to go shopping per family each day; shopping is to be done within 5 kilometers from home;

– Unlike traditional prisons, visitations are not permitted to house arrestees;

– All school activities are to be conducted online;

– All businesses, services and construction cancelled;

– Organized sport, forget it;

– In the case of funerals, try and delay your demise if at all possible, otherwise, expect just 10 guests;

– Ditto for weddings;

– Curfew in effect between 8 pm and 5 am.

Meanwhile, as to be expected, the authorities have been enthusiastic about meting out their street justice on people who allegedly violate the regime’s rules. And not just on the street. The police have been authorized to enter private residences without a warrant.


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/12/letters-from-melbour
ne-ghost-town-police-state-under-brutal-covid-lockdown
/

SOME jurisdictions have used Covid-19 as an excuse to ban the sale of guns(??) and alcohol.

There are two things missing from the latest uptick:

Deaths, and masks.

When people start runnig around with their hair on fire about "cases", the first thing I do is check divoc-91 for attendant "deaths". And so far, I'm not seeing the same meteoritic rise.

Quote:

In the last several weeks, Melbourne has introduced shockingly draconian anti-Covid measures, imposed on the metropolis of some 5 million souls. What tragedy was responsible for spurring officials to leap into action? To blame was a fractional uptick in the number of coronavirus deaths – seven to be exact, and all involving citizens above the age of 70 years old.

The media jumped on the “new single-day record in Victoria,” which brought the state death toll to 56. I repeat, 56, and the overwhelming majority of those cases involved elderly people in nursing facilities, some of which are under investigation for their handling of patients. While it goes without saying that elderly lives matter, do seven elderly deaths really warrant the shutdown of one of Australia’s busiest cities?


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/12/letters-from-melbo

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Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:22 AM


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


https://multco.us/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/regional-covid-19-data-da
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Quote:


etc

If you could see the graph that charts 4 counties, including Multnonah where Portland is located, you'd see what I was posting about. But even if you can't see it, probably most others can see it and understand.

week ... newcases

200426 .. 96

200503 .. 83
200510 .. 103
200517 .. 96
200524 .. 107
200531 .. 197 BEGIN PEAK

200607 .. 287
200614 .. 356
200621 .. 316
200628 .. 418

200705 .. 596 PEAK
200712 .. 526
200719 .. 462
200726 .. 428

200802 .. 410
200809 .. 348
200816 .. 353
200823 .. 243 TROUGH
200830 .. 279

200906 .. 288
200913 .. 320
200920 .. 328
200927 .. 366 RISING

If you were able to see the graph you'd notice that the Multnonah peak happened in July, then numbers fell through August DESPITE the fact that Portland protests(riots) were increasing during that time. "By July 2020, many of the protests, which have been held virtually every day since May 28, have drawn more than 1,000 participants." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Portland,_Orego
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The other thing you'd notice is that Multnonah County closely tracks the other 3 counties Clackamas, Washington, and Yamhill, in terms of the timing and numbers of cases.

You'd notice that Multnonah County closely tracks cases in Oregon as a whole, which you can find at this link. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

And finally you'd notice that in terms of the timing of the peaks, Oregon tracks the US as a whole. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/



Multnonah County where Portland is located doesn't show that 'cases' tracks protests(riots) since cases increased then decreased as riots steadily increased.

Multnonah County where Portland is located tracks 3 nearby counties, the entire state of Oregon, and the US, all of which also fail to track protests(riots).

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Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:50 AM

Quote:

WHO Flip-Flops: Urges World Leaders To Stop Using Lockdowns To Fight COVID Contagion

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-flip-flops-urges-world-leaders-s
top-using-lockdowns-fight-covid-contagion


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Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:33 AM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Headlines are looking like this

Quote:

Spanish Government Seals Off Madrid As COVID-19 Crisis Worsens; Merkel Says "Tougher Measures" Coming: Live Updates
ummary:

Italy tops 5,000 new cases
Spanish gov't locks down Madrid
Merkel says she will impose tougher measures if no improvement seen in ten days
London mayor says lockdown "inevitable"
Netherland reports latest record jump
Spain declares "public health emergency" in Madrid
France places more cities on lockdown
Confirmed COVID-19 cases neared daily record yesterday
Russia reports new record
Takeda enrolls first patients for new drug trial
China joins WHO vaccine initiative
Iran bars hospitals from taking non-urgent cases as COVID hammers country

* * *

Update (1100ET): Italy just recorded 5,372 new cases on Friday, topping 5,000 new cases for the first time since March 29, according to JHU data. Yesterday, Italy reported 4,458 new cases, which was, at the time, the largest daily tally since April 11.



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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/frances-expands-localized-lockdowns-
global-covid-19-cases-see-near-record-jump-live-updates


Australia's prolonged lockdown is just ... brutal. And nonsensical, since they've included a curfew (why? Is the virus more contagious at night?)

In Melbourne, the restrictions are

Quote:

– No traveling more than 5 kilometers (3.1 miles) from their homes;

– No traveling to other states inside of the country;

– Those under house arrest [everyone] are permitted to leave home for just one hour each day for exercise;

– Only one person is permitted to go shopping per family each day; shopping is to be done within 5 kilometers from home;

– Unlike traditional prisons, visitations are not permitted to house arrestees;

– All school activities are to be conducted online;

– All businesses, services and construction cancelled;

– Organized sport, forget it;

– In the case of funerals, try and delay your demise if at all possible, otherwise, expect just 10 guests;

– Ditto for weddings;

– Curfew in effect between 8 pm and 5 am.

Meanwhile, as to be expected, the authorities have been enthusiastic about meting out their street justice on people who allegedly violate the regime’s rules. And not just on the street. The police have been authorized to enter private residences without a warrant.


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/12/letters-from-melbour
ne-ghost-town-police-state-under-brutal-covid-lockdown
/

SOME jurisdictions have used Covid-19 as an excuse to ban the sale of guns(??) and alcohol.

There are two things missing from the latest uptick:

Deaths, and masks.

When people start runnig around with their hair on fire about "cases", the first thing I do is check divoc-91 for attendant "deaths". And so far, I'm not seeing the same meteoritic rise.

Quote:

In the last several weeks, Melbourne has introduced shockingly draconian anti-Covid measures, imposed on the metropolis of some 5 million souls. What tragedy was responsible for spurring officials to leap into action? To blame was a fractional uptick in the number of coronavirus deaths – seven to be exact, and all involving citizens above the age of 70 years old.

The media jumped on the “new single-day record in Victoria,” which brought the state death toll to 56. I repeat, 56, and the overwhelming majority of those cases involved elderly people in nursing facilities, some of which are under investigation for their handling of patients. While it goes without saying that elderly lives matter, do seven elderly deaths really warrant the shutdown of one of Australia’s busiest cities?


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/12/letters-from-melbou

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Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:33 AM


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The "Great Barrington Declaration"

https://gbdeclaration.org/

The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.



On what planet do these people live, I wonder. They seem to think that the vulnerable - who may be a very large portion of the population at-risk due to obesity, diabetes, hypertension etc as well as age - can be cleanly separated from the low risk so that they can be protected.

What a bunch of hooey.

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