new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Tuesday, September 22, 2020 6:02 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... just you wait. There will be plenty of undead voting for Democrats by mail.

I keep telling my Grandpa not to vote for Biden, but I don't think he can hear me through 6 feet of dirt.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1) 2016 Nov: Trump claims millions voted illegally in presidential poll - www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38126438

2) 2017 May: Fact-checking Trump's repeated unsubstantiated claim of widespread voter fraud. - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-trumps-repeated-unsubsta
ntiated-claim-widespread-voter/story?id=45021067

3) 2018 April: Trump lies about Voter Fraud in California
www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599868312/fact-check-trump-repeats-voter-fraud-
claim-about-california

4) 2019 June: Trump still lying about Voter Fraud
www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/24/donald-trump/pants-fire-trum
ps-latest-california-voter-fraud-cl/

5) 2020 Sept: Finally Trump proves voter fraud - Trump Encourages People in North Carolina to Vote Twice, Which Is Illegal
www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/trump-people-vote-twice.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:19 PM

This is the biggest problem I mentioned back in the very early days we even started talking about this.

People like Nilbog going door to door harassing hundreds or even thousands of people who probably weren't going to bother voting, collecting those votes, removing votes they don't agree with, then dropping the rest of them off.

There is zero oversight if there is no ID required.

The ONLY reason that you deny that this is going to be a problem is because you know that it will disproportionately serve the side you want to see win.

My one question is though, do you really KNOW that? Or have you only been told that?

Who's to say that the Republicans won't be better at cheating than the Democrats are, now that we've made cheating in elections easier than it ever has been before?

There is actually zero reason to believe that Democrats are going to be better at this than Republicans will be. In fact, if the Republicans are all that is wrong in evil in the world as the Leftists on the boards here insinuate on a daily basis, I'd say that the chances Republicans will be better at this than Democrats is actually quite good.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
https://www.portland.gov/omf/covid-19-situation-status-reports-emergen
cy-coordination-center
https://www.portland.gov/sites/default/files/2020-08/2020.08.27_portla
nd-situation-report_final.pdf

Thanks! for the links.

First of all - those graphs are CUMULATIVE graphs of cases and deaths. OF COURSE they'll continue to go up !! since not too many people will revert to 'never infected' or 'undead'.

If you look at the cases by date that I linked https://multco.us/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/regional-covid-19-data-da
shboard , you'll see that the 'cases' started their rise between the week of May 25, 2020* and May 31, 2020 - far too early to be accounted for by any protests/(riots). There needs to be at least a 2 week lag - for people to become symptomatic and go to the doctor.

And cases then peak the week of July 5, 2020 after which they drop off steeply, far too early compared to the ongoing protests/(riots) which should have sustained the outbreak if they were, indeed, the cause.

Second of all, you need to be careful about increases of 'cases' since - as Fearless Leader has noted - the more tests you do, the more 'cases' you'll find. In this instance, you'll see a disconnect between 'cases' and 'deaths' (after accounting for a 2-3 week lag to give confirmed 'cases' time to become 'deaths'). That indicates more testing, uncovering more 'cases'.

'Deaths' is a better measure (after a 4-6 week lag to confirm 'cases' and for those confirmed 'cases' to become 'deaths'.)

*Third, George Floyd died May 25, 2020. As I noted (above) 'cases' and 'deaths' were occurring far too early to be caused by the protests/(riots).

Your linky crashes my browser.

Yes, I understand how graphs work. Plus derivatives. But I have not seen evidence that you do.

I tried to extract actual data from that Portland.gov site which I linked. Jeez, I thought the Libtards in Madison were horrible at providing WI data. But these Portland Tards are even worse.

There seem to be 2 sequences of data, which don't mesh. I will list both which I could determine. This is all for Multnomah County.

First, I will call this "posted counts"

Ap 2 0122

My 7 0793 thru 7th
My14 0940 +147 thru 13th (6 days)
My21 1018 +078 thru 20th
My28 1093 +075 thru 27th
Jn 4 1228 +135 thru 3rd
Jn11 1407 +179 thru 11th (8 days)
Jn18 1665 +258
Jn25 1970 +305 thru 24/25th
Jl 2 2304 +334 thru 2nd
Jl 9 2697 +393 thru 9th
Jl16 3199 +502 thru 14th (5 days)
Jl23 3748 +549 thru 23rd (9 days)
Jl30 4131 +383 thru 28th (5 days)
Au 6 4574 +443 thru 4th
Au13 5046 +472 thru 11th
Au20 5500 +454
Au27 5822 +322
Se 3 6141 +319
Se10 6442 +301
Se17 6724 +282
Se24 7031 +307

I will call this "calculated counts from posted data"

Ap 2 0122

My 7 0793 thru 7th
My14 0940 +147
My21 1018 +078
My28 1093 +075
Jn 4 1228 +135
Jn11 1407 +179
Jn18 1665 +258
Jn25 1970 +305 thru 24/25th
Jl 2 2304 +334 thru 2nd
Jl 9 2697 +393 thru 9th
Jl16 3005 +308 thru 14th
Jl23 3622 +617 thru 21st
Jl30 4131 +509 thru 28th
Au 6 4574 +443 thru 4th
Au13 5046 +472 thru 11th
Au20 5459 +413
Au27 5822 +363
Se 3 6141 +319
Se10 6442 +301
Se17 6724 +282
Se24 7031 +307

As you can see, with either set of data, prior to June, no week had new cases exceed 150, even with hinky reporting back then.
And then, from 19 June until 9 September, the weekly new case total never falls below 300.
For folk who are not Libtards, this is not a difficult concept to comprehend. Perhaps you can try to explain to one of your non-Libtard friends how new case rates below 150 per week had DROPPED all the way down "steeply" to 300-600 per week, and this means there was no increase during this superspreader event. Let us know how they respond to such ridiculous claims.

In

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:05 AM

Quote:
CDC abruptly removes guidance about airborne coronavirus transmission, says update 'was posted in error'

As I mentioned earlier, I check in with CNN every few days just to keep tabs on the (mostly bullshit) that it spews, and there it was, in big bold headlines, mentioning "covid" and "airborne" in the same sentence! The subhead was that the CDC is recognizing that airborne aerosols are a significant source of transmission. (Gee, whooda thunk? I though the Chinese bus study was pretty telling!) But when I tried to click on the article, several times, all I got was an error.

I guess they couldn't pull the headline fast enough.

The follow-on explanation in ZH was that the WHO put pressure on the CDC to retract the "airborne" designation because ... I dunno. Whatever I read didn't stick because it didn't make sense.

So they are sticking with the 6ft distance, handwashing, and substandard masking which works for large droplets but not aerosols.

It's all a matter of size. The smaller the droplet, the farther it will travel, the longer it will stay suspended in air, and the harder it is to filter out. When someone says "airborne" I mistakenly think of a free-floating naked virus particle, which would be incredibly hard to trap and would probably fall into the category of "ultrafine" particle. But in reality the droplets are probably larger, and more amenable to filtration. As water evaporates the droplets get smaller and smaller, but it look like as the droplets dry out so does the virus, which seems to inactivate it.

Outdoor contagion looks to be rare. So possibly things like bike rallies (Sturgis) and protests (many places) don't result in a massive outbreak.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

1KIKI

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:18 AM

What you are missing is reproductive log function that living things have. It starts out very slowly, when the initial numbers are low, so it never looks like much at the start. It's very deceiving that way. But then it takes off ...

2^2 = 4
4^2 = 16
16^2 = 256
256^2 = 65,536
65,536^2 = 4,294,967,296
4,294,967,296^2 = 14,844,674,407,000,000,000

... in only 6 steps ... and so on.

Once the virus is in a population, unless active measures are taken to suppress it, the numbers would zoom up anyway. And when you're looking for the start of exponential growth you have to look where the numbers are low, not where they've already gotten high. So, imo, it would be very difficult to say the increase - which btw started earlier than you think - is due to some random but relatively small number of imports, or the natural mathematics of biological increase.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:07 AM

I have been wondering what effect the travel rate of Americans has had on the caseload, the rate of infection.

I'll post some lists to ruminate on.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-whose-citizens-travel-th
e-most.html

Rank Country Outbound Trips (average trips per person per year) Domestic Trips (average trips per person per year) Total Trips (average trips per person per year)
1 Finland ------- 1.70 5.80 7.50
2 United States - 0.20 6.50 6.70
3 Sweden -------- 1.50 4.40 6.00
4 Denmark ------- 1.40 3.90 5.30
5 Norway -------- 2.00 3.20 5.20
6 Hong Kong ----- 4.30 0.03 4.30
7 New Zealand --- 0.50 3.80 4.30
8 Canada -------- 1.00 3.20 4.10
9 Australia ----- 0.40 3.40 3.80
10 France ------- 0.40 3.10 3.50

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/IS.AIR.PSGR/rankings

Rank Country Value Year
1 United States 889,022,000.00 2018
2 China 611,439,800.00 2018
3 Ireland 167,598,600.00 2018
4 United Kingdom 165,388,600.00 2018
5 India 164,035,600.00 2018
6 Japan 126,387,500.00 2018
7 Turkey 115,595,500.00 2018
8 Indonesia 115,154,100.00 2018
9 Germany 109,796,200.00 2018
10 Brazil 102,110,000.00 2018
11 Russia 99,327,310.00 2018
12 United Arab Emirates 95,533,070.00 2018
13 Canada 89,380,000.00 2018
14 Korea 88,157,580.00 2018
15 Spain 80,672,100.00 2018
16 Thailand 76,053,040.00 2018
17 Australia 75,667,650.00 2018
18 France 70,188,030.00 2018
19 Mexico 64,569,640.00 2018
20 Malaysia 60,481,770.00 2018
21 Hong Kong SAR, China 47,101,820.00 2018
22 Vietnam 47,049,670.00 2018
23 Netherlands 43,996,040.00 2018
24 Philippines 43,080,120.00 2018
25 Singapore 40,401,520.00 2018
26 Saudi Arabia 39,141,660.00 2018
27 Colombia 33,704,040.00 2018
28 Hungary 31,226,850.00 2018
29 Qatar 29,178,920.00 2018
30 Switzerland 28,857,990.00 2018
31 Italy 27,630,440.00 2018
32 Iran 25,604,870.00 2018
33 South Africa 23,921,750.00 2018
34 Chile 19,517,180.00 2018
35 Argentina 18,081,940.00 2018
36 Peru 17,758,530.00 2018
37 Portugal 17,367,960.00 2018
38 New Zealand 17,249,050.00 2018
39 Greece 15,125,930.00 2018
40 Belgium 13,639,490.00 2018

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-number-
of-airline-passengers.html

Rank Country Number Of Air Passengers (2015)
1 United States 798,230,000
2 China 436,183,969
3 United Kingdom 131,449,680
4 Germany 115,540,886
5 Japan 113,762,000
6 Ireland 113,144,501
7 Brazil 102,039,359
8 India 98,927,860
9 Turkey 96,604,665
10 Indonesia 8,868,576

1KIKI

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
CDC abruptly removes guidance about airborne coronavirus transmission, says update 'was posted in error'
As I mentioned earlier, I check in with CNN every few days just to keep tabs on the (mostly bullshit) that it spews, and there it was, in big bold headlines, mentioning "covid" and "airborne" in the same sentence! The subhead was that the CDC is recognizing that airborne aerosols are a significant source of transmission. (Gee, whooda thunk? I though the Chinese bus study was pretty telling!) But when I tried to click on the article, several times, all I got was an error.

I guess they couldn't pull the headline fast enough.

The follow-on explanation in ZH was that the WHO put pressure on the CDC to retract the "airborne" designation because ... I dunno. Whatever I read didn't stick because it didn't make sense.

So they are sticking with the 6ft distance, handwashing, and substandard masking which works for large droplets but not aerosols.

It's all a matter of size. The smaller the droplet, the farther it will travel, the longer it will stay suspended in air, and the harder it is to filter out. When someone says "airborne" I mistakenly think of a free-floating naked virus particle, which would be incredibly hard to trap and would probably fall into the category of "ultrafine" particle. But in reality the droplets are probably larger, and more amenable to filtration. As water evaporates the droplets get smaller and smaller, but it look like as the droplets dry out so does the virus, which seems to inactivate it.

Outdoor contagion looks to be rare. So possibly things like bike rallies (Sturgis) and protests (many places) don't result in a massive outbreak.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Thanks.

What I heard on KNX1070 is that when professionals think of 'airborne', measles is the outstanding example ... if someone comes into the ER with measles and goes into a treatment room, nobody is even allowed IN that room for 2 hours afterward to let the measles virus flush out. With measles, it's the same with the alerts on the radio from time to time, when they'll announce that a person with measles went through a /terminal/date/time-range/ and people who were there who never had measles/weren't vaccinated need to see their doctor.

Measles seems to be on the high end of airborne transmissibility, maybe even at the top; whereas COVID-19 is at the lower end.

So perhaps the questions is how transmissible does it need to be to be a major, instead of somewhat lesser, concern?

BTW I think of CNN as 'raw meat splatter'. *

* I just wanted to be a bit more explicit about what I think of CNN. It's like a window into the unconscious of the great hive-mind of the Deep State. It reacts before it's had a chance to decide if that's the way it *should* be seen to be reacting; before it gets all its alibis and narratives straight. I hope it never cleans up its act.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 5:25 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Proof that Covid was created in Wuhan Lab?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-virologist-claims-she-proof-02570016
4.html

THANKS for the link, JSF! I saw that in the news and bookmarked it on my 'puter, but - as I don't for probably 95% of my bookmarks - I didn't post it here.

ETA: Despite claims that a laboratory origin has been debunked by this paper https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 , the takedown of many such papers due to poor data, faulty analysis, and unjustified conclusions, by a genuine virologist who specializes in viral evolution has left the 'origins' questions open, imo.
Apparently that doc was interviewed on Tucker Carlson a day or so after the story broke, several days sago by now.
I understand there is a 2nd refugee Doctor of Wuhan who is corroborating the information.

He is also reporting that Covid is one of 2 Viruses STORED at the Wuhan facility.

Also, he mentioned the Coronavirus was released in response to some Sanction against China from Trump.

1KIKI

Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:37 AM

I'd appreciate a name to track this down in all its finer details.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'd appreciate a name to track this down in all its finer details.

I'll try to find it. I don't recall hearing the actual name, or remembering what it sounded like.

In April, Luc Montagnier - France.
3 August, Dr. Li-Meng Yan - Wuhan China

Wow, they seem to really have that buried well. Haven't found the right combo of terms yet.
He escaped from Peoples Liberation Army, where he worked.

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