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Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:34 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You didn't notice that 1kiki botched this:

November 5, 1946 Democrats gain 14 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_elections

Wrong numbers, wrong year, wrong URL. But the bigger point you also missed: Americans randomly go left and right without regard for what is happening in the real world. America is flipping a coin to decide D vs R. It shows plainly in history, but you don't believe that. Tough shit for you, you dumb motherfucker living on $4,500 per year. Did you notice, in your gif, that Nelson from the Simpsons wears ragged clothes and his mother is no better than a whore? Why then is 6ix using Nelson as an avatar? Nelson is a loser: "My mom left my dad after she got hooked on cough drops. At the end her breath was so fresh, she wasn't really my mother anymore." - Nelson Muntz, The Simpsons 08x06: A Milhouse Divided
https://quotational.com/author/nelson-muntz/

6ix, you have described your sad life. You are Nelson Muntz. Ha-Ha!
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:39 PM

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Steve Rattner: U.S. Economy Is Still In Shambles

ht tp://ww w. you tube.com/watch?v=fhWzRngMslQ

Yep, never said otherwise. But the stock market is sky high!

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:44 PM

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Originally posted by second:
You didn't notice that 1kiki botched this:

November 5, 1946 Democrats gain 14 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_elections

Wrong numbers, wrong year, wrong URL.

I took Kiki on faith. Furthermore, it doesn't matter, because it gets the point across. Yanno, the one that you, yourself brought up in the very next sentence here:

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But the bigger point you also missed: Americans randomly go left and right without regard for what is happening in the real world. America is flipping a coin to decide D vs R.

No shit they do. THAT'S THE POINT THAT YOU MISSED IN THE POST THAT KIKI TROLLED YOU ON HERE:

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Do you want to know what doing a good job will get the Democratic Party from a grateful America?

I will show you:

November 8, 1938 Democrats lose 8 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1940 Democrats lose 3 seats in the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_United_States_Senate_elections

November 3, 1942 Democrats lose 8 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942_United_States_Senate_elections

November 7, 1944 Democrats lose 1 seat. Hitler and Hirohito are almost done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_Senate_elections

November 5, 1946 Democrats lose 11 seats, lose the Senate, but won WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_United_States_Senate_elections

America turned control back over to Herbert Hoover’s Republicans a little bit at a time. That is how grateful America was to FDR’s Democrats for doing a good job.

By December 1, 1950, Nixon will be California’s Senator. He will be Vice President until 1961. Then President. We know what a super job Nixon did and how that story ends, don’t we?

You're just pissed off that Kiki dismantled your point in one easy reply, and doubly pissed that I chimed in and laughed about it.

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It shows plainly in history, but you don't believe that.

And you continue to be wrong... Nothing new here.

Kiki pointed out to you the point that you are NOW trying to make with your backpedaling. You think everybody is stupid enough to buy your bullshit? You're far out of your league son.

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Tough shit for you, you dumb motherfucker living on $4,500 per year.

I can easily live off of $4,500, quite comfortably. I make more than that, and save ALL of it.

Sure sounds REAL dumb to me.

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Did you notice, in your gif, that Nelson from the Simpsons wears ragged clothes and his mother is no better than a whore? Why then is 6ix using Nelson as an avatar?

Because it's a meme. And you're a humorless, hateful Leftist NPC that doesn't understand memes.

You're losing the narrative. And it's very funny watching you become unhinged as we get closer to the election.

Tick Tock, Motherfucker ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, August 26, 2020 7:49 PM

Oh look...

Second changed his reply.

But I got to it first.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The facts are: democrats did nothing for the average worker during the Obama presidency; Hillary and the DNC were all about identity politics as long as you had the right identity; Pelosi as the single most visible representative of democrats in the last 4 years has made the democrats all about being anti-Donald; and the party platform of today is meaningless happy-talk without a commitment to identify and solve the causes of the average American's economic malady.

Democrats can't even pay decent lip service to ordinary Americans and their economic misfortunes.

No amount of Trump-demonizing is going to change the perception that democrats can't even pretend to address our economy that's failed everyday Americans.

Until democrats get their act together (assuming they ever clue in, that is) and AT LEAST pay better-sounding lip-service to people's economic distresses, the democrats will continue to fail.

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Originally posted by second:
Your argument has already been picked apart in a book called Evil Geniuses The Unmaking of America: A Recent History by Kurt Andersen.
Andersen sets out to narrate a complex, many-layered history of how a band of rich people, corporate executives and political right-wingers, aided and abetted by gullible “useful idiots” in the media and the political left, transformed the nation into a casino where only they ever win.
Book review at
www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/books/review/kurt-andersen-evil-geniuses.ht
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And now for extensive actual quotes from the author, where instead of 'picking apart' my argument, he actually AGREES with me:

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For those past two decades, I’d prospered and thrived in the new political economy. And unharmed by automation or globalization or the new social contract, I’d effectively ignored the fact that the majority of my fellow Americans weren’t prospering or thriving.
In 40 years ... Economic inequality has reverted to the levels of a century ago and earlier, and so has economic insecurity, while economic immobility is almost certainly worse than it’s ever been.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/i-was-useful-idiot-c
apitalism/615031/

So far, it looks like Andersen agrees with me.

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The antiwar movement and counterculture, coming right after the successful civil-rights movement, had generated intense mutual contempt between the two main kinds of white Democrats, members of the working class and the expanding so-called New Class. ... Beginning right then, the suspicion and contempt between less-educated white people and the liberal white bourgeoisie became what the American class struggle was most visibly and consciously about. And it would define our politics as the economy was reshaped to do better than ever for yuppies and worse and worse for the proles ... Thus like most Democratic politicians at the same time, media people became enablers of the national change in perspective from left to right concerning economics ... From New Deal to New Democrats ... from then on it was much harder for labor unions to influence the Democrats’ choice of nominee—which in turn enabled Hart to help win the 1972 nomination for the hippie-loving, antiwar, women’s-lib, “acid, amnesty, abortion” candidate despised by so many of the blue-collar union members ... Hart, on the other hand, was a cool young Yalie whose 1974 Senate campaign stump speech was actually called “The End of the New Deal.” ... The new approach propagated rapidly. Soon almost every up-and-coming national Democratic politician was a New Democrat: Hart, Paul Tsongas, Jerry Brown, Bill Bradley, Al Gore, Bob Kerrey, Bill Clinton—all first elected senator or governor between 1974 and 1984 when they were in their 30s, all about to become serious presidential candidates ... https://www.the

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Everything Andersen writes agrees with me - liberal, 'new', and neo-liberal Democrats were complicit in the selling out of the working class.

They still are.

BTW What I posted a couple of months ago still is true - Trump is a FAR better salesman than democrats give him credit for. He does a FAR better job ferreting out what people want to hear. Democrats who are harping, hoping, that being anti-Trump is the ticket to political success are doomed.

Democrats need a better shtick than the one they've gotten now, and a better shtick than Trump.

One simple example where Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides about "the working class": the minimum wage. Biden and Democrats are for $15/hour and Trump is against. How does Trump sell being against raising the minimum? He says the opposite of what he means: he claims to be for it. It has been a year and the Democrats in the House have passed bill after bill to raise the minimum wage but the GOP controlled Senate won't. Between Trump being extra dishonest and Americans being extra uninterested, the minimum wage will not be going to $15/hour during the next 4 years. Even if Biden was elected, the minimum wage won't be going to $15 because the GOP, not the Democrats, will kill it in the Senate as long as there are 34 GOP Senators. There are no magic words that Democrats can say that will make voters take an interest in raising the minimum wage. The GOP won't be changing its mind until voters take a sustained interest, which voters won't because they just can't remember to do it. So minimum wage stays where the GOP wants it to be. The same is true on every issue, especially those that are far more complicated than changing one number from $7.25 to the number $15 per hour.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191005011721/https://www.bloomberg.com/n
ews/articles/2019-06-21/trump-says-he-s-weighing-democrats-plan-for-15-minimum-wage

See "The Unraveling of America", the next entry in this thread, for why American voters can't remember to support $15 per hour. Or maybe voters do remember and keep the minimum wage at $7.25, considering that to raise it would be a cost for them which they don't feel like paying.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:15 PM

The Unraveling of America

The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone. All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care. What every prosperous and successful democracy deems to be fundamental rights — universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirm — America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-ame
rican-era-wade-davis-1038206/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

1KIKI

Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:06 PM

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One simple example where Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides about "the working class": the minimum wage.

The minimum wage is such a small part of how the US economy is failing Americans - well, failing in general - that it's hardly an economic issue at this point. It's more of a cultural one.

Democrats are not going to fix the economy. They have absolutely no intention of doing that.

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

1KIKI

Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:10 PM

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The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society.

And that includes the intellectual democratic snobs on the coasts, who abhor the idea of unions, of giving up their tokens of privilege, and of considering the 'basket of deplorables' in 'flyover country' as equals in common cause worth just as much social investment.

SECOND

Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:12 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
One simple example where Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides about "the working class": the minimum wage.
The minimum wage is such a small part of how the US economy is failing Americans - well, failing in general - that it's hardly an economic issue at this point. It's more of a cultural one.

Democrats are not going to fix the economy. They have absolutely no intention of doing that.

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009. Your theory needs to explain who wanted the number stuck. There will be reasons why the people who stuck it to the working class want it stuck. Are the reasons true?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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