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THG
Saturday, August 29, 2020 6:56 PM

The problem comrade kiki has SECOND. Is that the majority of Americans and the world thinks Obama was a great President. I'd say that negates any complaints she has about him.

As Trumps Presidency unfolds. Kiki finds different ways to deflect away any and all, mayhem in the streets due to Trump. Any and all, harm to our relations with our allies. Any and all, of his stupid foreign policy decisions and pandering to dictators. Any and all, of his attempts to dismantle our democratic institutions. Any and all, of his complete disregard for the rule of law. Any and all, of his trolling tweet attacks against good and honorable people. Any and all, of his thousands upon thousands of lies.

The list of Trumps any and all’s is endless. So I'll just say; all the different ways comrade kiki finds to defend him shows who she is. It also shows the issues she complains about are completely and thoroughly disingenuous. She has no real concerns, other than Trump staying in the White House.


T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:23 PM


I see you had to step in for your comrade who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - though you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?


More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

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THG
Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I see you had to step in for your comrade who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - though you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?


More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?



Nope, the Parmenter's of any topic is what the title says they are to be. "A thread for Democrats Only." Topics are to be confined to what democrats want to discuss. Not Russian trolls. Take it from me. I created the thread comrade. So shoo...

T


Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:53 PM

And yet here you are, an avowed independent posting in "A thread for Democrats Only", who doesn't want a registered democrat to opine on democrats.

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Sunday, August 30, 2020 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I see you had to step in for your comrade who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - though you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?


More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

You might want to look at the $trillions that got spent to help people out of work this year. For Democrats, they were helping those who are out of work. For the GOP, the money was to reelect Trump. Then the GOP decided Trump had not gotten a boost from all the spending, so the Senate killed $3 trillion more spending on the unemployed by the House of Representatives Democrats. www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/coronavirus-stimulus-relief-money/inde
x.html


1kiki, over all those decades, don't you remember a least one damn thing about Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, Minimum Wage, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Over the last 4 decades it was Democrats making those better or preventing Republicans from doing away with them completely. When Republicans are in ascendancy, they tried to kill each or, if that is not possible, make each of them worse by suing or placing incompetent administrators in charge. Sometimes the GOP succeeded in making things worse. The GOP has certainly put in their maximum effort. Just look at Obamacare, where the GOP has gone to crazy lengths to sabotage it. Go ahead and read one article, 1kiki, and try for once in your life to understand politics:

Opposition to Obamacare Becomes Political Liability for GOP Incumbents
https://khn.org/news/opposition-to-obamacare-becomes-political-liabili
ty-for-gop-incumbents
/

How crazy are the Republicans? This crazy: GOP Aims To Kill Obamacare Yet Again After Failing 70 Times
www.newsweek.com/gop-health-care-bill-repeal-and-replace-70-failed-att
empts-643832



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 30, 2020 5:42 PM

Fact of the Day: Manufacturing as a % of the Workforce, 1985-2020

Margaret Sullivan notes today that fact checking has outlived its usefulness:

As scholars have observed, calling out falsehoods forcefully may actually cause people to hold tighter to their beliefs. That’s the “backfire effect” that academics Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler wrote about in their study “When Corrections Fail” about the persistence of political misperceptions: “Direct factual contradictions can actually strengthen ideologically grounded factual beliefs.”

Fact checking has always been a mug’s game. Politicians discovered long ago that they could say anything they wanted no matter how obviously wrong it was and it would do them no harm. Any fact checking would be seen by a tiny fraction of the audience that saw the original claim, so lies were net positives no matter how upset fact checkers got about them.

Donald Trump has taken this to its logical conclusion, where he practically invents a whole different reality, but fact checking has little impact even on this. At this point, virtually everyone already believes that either (a) the media hates Trump and calls everything he says a lie, or (b) Trump lies all the time.

This is why I favor a sort of “Fact of the Day” approach to this. That is, short blurbs that simply display something in the news without reference to anything Trump has said. Like this:


Sure, Trump’s claim is false that he’s been great for manufacturing. But there’s no need to say that, which immediately loses half your audience. Just show the facts with minimal comment. Manufacturing’s share of the workforce has been declining since 1946 and it continues to decline to this day. Then let people draw their own conclusions.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/08/fact-of-the-day-manufacturing-a
s-a-of-the-workforce-1985-2020
/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=uWpx


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?


More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

A crisp and short example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans: $600 a week

Republicans were not happy. The whole thing was too big. They were particularly displeased with a Democratic proposal to expand unemployment benefits by $600 a week, which meant some unemployed workers would collect more in benefits than they had earned while working.

Mr. Mnuchin wasn’t thrilled, either, but he gave in to Democrats to speed the bill through the House. He told Republicans that it wasn’t technically feasible to tailor the size of the unemployment benefit to a worker’s previous wages.

For a while, that looked like it might be a deal breaker for Republicans. The stock market seesawed along with the perceived odds of a deal. By Friday, March 20, the S&P 500 index was down 34 percent from its February peak — below where it was when Mr. Trump took office.

Mr. Mnuchin spent the weekend working the phones, with 49 phone calls on Sunday alone, including to influential Republican senators. “We need to get this deal done today,” he told Mr. Cramer on CNBC on Monday.

Republican senators slowly got on board, fearful of the fallout if they were seen as blocking a rescue package. The Senate passed the bill, markets soared, and Mr. Trump signed the $2.2 trillion CARES Act.

At a news conference, the president declared himself pleased with “our great secretary of the Treasury.” He added, “He’s a fantastic guy and he loves our country, and he’s been dealing with both sides — Republican and Democrat.”

But Republicans were furious with Mr. Mnuchin. The $600-per-week unemployment benefit was a particular sore spot.

Much more about the difference between Democrats and Republicans at www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/business/steven-mnuchin-trump-economy.html

or

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steven-mnuchin-tried-to-save-the-econo
my-not-even-his-family-is-happy/ar-BB18w5FW


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:52 PM




Hey lookatthat! Trump stopped the hemorrhaging! I didn't realize he was that successful!

No wonder his approval rating is as sturdy as it is!

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THG
Monday, August 31, 2020 8:30 PM

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 8:36 PM

Your lack of self awareness is astounding, Ted.

One of the largest perpetrators of gaslighting I've had the displeasure of knowing in my life, yet you still don't even know what that word means.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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