new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
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6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree. All of that is funny, despite it being true.
Which part made you laugh, Karen?
SIGNY: SIXSTRINGSHIT- why don't you just call KIKI a "Russian troll" and turn into a GSTRING?
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SIX: Too late. I already did.
She should probably stop spouting fear mongering propaganda that is enabling a shift of our government toward Communism.
First of all, I happen to think her numbers are correct. Certainly better than yours!
Secondly, if we're veering towards anything it would be fascism. But, hey, I've been calling THAT for years! *America is an oligarchy*, remember?
So given that the death rate is going to be high if we don't do anything, what do we do to stop the virus WITHOUT falling into out-and-out fascism?
Well, how about ...#WEARAMASK? You could go back to work, you wouldn't have to wait for ...and pay for ... a vaccine or treatment and give big pharma/ hospital corporations even more control of your life and paycheck than they already do. It's not even like you have to wait for "someone" to make a mask for you! You can make one yourself! Government and monopoly control over the economy would be rolled back.
How about #STOPTAKINGONDEBT? I know I'm preaching to the choir, SIX, but we've got to stop giving the banks, and The Fed, such leverage over our economy!
Jeez, just how about more people being rational adult human beings and taking rational steps to protect their own lives and finances, instead of being babies who're waiting for big daddy government or scientists or "somebody" to step in and helpthem, or (oppositely) being so deep in denial that they're willing to throw themselves onto the bonfire?
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https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/coronavirus
-vaccine-ian-frazer/12144260
Will we have a vaccine?
Norman Swan: So, everyone is hanging out for a vaccine, and lots of research groups around the world are having a go. The Australian with the most success in vaccine development is Professor Ian Frazer. The virus was the human papilloma virus which causes cervical cancer, and the immunisation took years of work. Ian is still active in vaccine development. Ian, welcome back to the Health Report.
Ian Frazer: Norman, it's good to speak with you.
Norman Swan: What's the challenge here?
Ian Frazer: The challenge is the coronavirus, let's face it, we have a lot of people who are working to develop vaccines against this particular coronavirus, but we haven't had much success with coronavirus vaccines in the past, and that's partly because it seems to be a difficult virus to get a successful and safe vaccine against, and partly because the virus infects a bit of us which our immune system doesn't really do very well at protecting.
Norman Swan: Meaning the upper respiratory tract, the nose and throat.
Ian Frazer: Indeed. I mean, it's a separate immune system, if you like, of its own, which isn't easily accessible by vaccine technology.
Norman Swan: So just explain why not. Because there is a blood supply, we've got white blood cells, why is there this problem with the upper respiratory tract? And it's true of influenza as well, we've got a pretty lousy vaccine for influenza, it's the best we've got but…
Ian Frazer: We want to get a vaccine that stops the cells getting infected, and that really means that you've got to have something that can neutralise the virus outside of the body because effectively our upper airway is outside of the body.
Norman Swan: This is mind-bending but really it feels as if it's inside but in fact it's an external surface, even though it might be surrounded by your nose and throat.
Ian Frazer: Yes, it's a bit like your skin, you know, it's trying to get a vaccine to kill a virus on the surface of your skin. We do have of course the ability to put some antibody in there and we have a local immune system in our lungs which makes the right sort of antibody, but that doesn't connect quite as well as it should do with the systemic immune system that would respond to a vaccine. And one of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when that immune response does cross across to where the virus infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it, so that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given.
Norman Swan: Because you're trying to get the virus once it's in. This virus mutates, in fact they've been able to track the virus through the world and where it came from by its mutations. It is the mutation rate changing its coat enough to confuse a vaccine?
Ian Frazer: I don't think so. The total number of mutations to date has been quite small, it seems to be very small point mutations in the genetic information, and from what we've seen so far over the course of basically now four or five months of keeping track of this virus, nothing has changed enough that it would prevent the immune system having a go. We still have to identify what the best target in the virus is. It seems likely that it would be some part of the spike protein, which is the bit that allows the virus to stick to cells. But there hasn't been enough change there yet to prevent a vaccine that worked against the first version of this virus, now coping with the minor changes that have occurred.
Norman Swan: What's the story with antibodies to this coronavirus with SARS-CoV-2? Every day goes by and you seem to get a different story. Some people get a strong antibody response, some people
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, I happen to think her numbers are correct. Certainly better than yours!
Bullshit.
She doesn't just get to add the "a factor of x60 may be applicable" to all of her bullshit numbers she's been posting since the beginning as a get out of jail free card for all of the extremely erroneous numbers she's been touting as fact.
x60 is MUCH closer to the numbers I've been predicting since the beginning, and would only be my very conservative estimate.
And you say "ALL of mine"?
Do you argue the numbers I've been throwing out for daily US and world death rates as well as the daily birth rates for the US and the world? Because I assure you they're a matter of fact and they come nowhere near even leveling off our overpopulation problem even in your worst case scenarios of the Coomph. (Which, BTW, are looking less and less likely by the second. Which subsequently mean that mine are looking more and more accurate).
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, what you are doing is called Red-baiting. Republicans have been doing it since before your parents were born: "As the Cold War heated up in the years following World War II, liberal political candidates were frequently accused of being either Communists or at the very least sympathetic to the Communist Party." - www.jstor.org/stable/43264751?seq=1
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Too late. I already did.
She should probably stop spouting fear mongering propaganda that is enabling a shift of our government toward Communism.
She only believes the numbers that show worst case scenario and throws out any that destroys her agenda.
I had no idea that I was friendly with hostile agent Karen this whole time.
Second praises Communist tactics because he's an idiot and probably isn't even aware that he's doing it. Karen is not an idiot.
GString might have been right about her all this time.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump's lawyer, Roy Cohn, was a famous Red-baiting Republican who worked with the ultimate Red-baiting Republican, Senator Joe McCarthy. Red-baiting is in the DNA of Republicans. It is a habit of theirs very much like dogs eating poop. You dogs do it, but to humans it is disgusting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy#Army%E2%80%93McCarthy_he
arings
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Well...
If you weren't Red, you wouldn't take the bait.
But here we are.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
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Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:43 PM
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/study-estimates-covid-19-may-hav
e-infected-over-9000-in-us/
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=13
Eh - it wasn't UCLA that came up with the X60 factor, it was Cedars Sinai plus me. They came up with a projected number of cases, I calculated the X60 factor from that and the confirmed number of cases at the time.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
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I've already made myself clear.
The amount of deaths do not in any way justify the actions that have been taken.
You also better hope that a shit ton of people die now, because nobody is going to take the next one seriously at all if they don't, and the next one might actually be something to worry about.
In the mean time, we've trashed the economy over nothing. Let's get back to work.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I say throw the doors wide open! especially in those republican states that hate their fetters so much. But should the virus resurge, I don't think anyone should make any efforts to help them out either. It's called taking responsibility for your decisions and living - or not - with the consequences.
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lol
Says Karen from Commiefornia who is giving stimulus relief to people who don't even live here legally.
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Quote:And what amount of deaths would be "enough" to justify closing the economy?
SIGNYM:
SIX, NOBODY will go with your "solution" of "opening up the economy" and letting a lot of people die. Nobody believes that your whining and bitching and carrying on has anything to do with worrying about the little people and their lives, when you CLEARLY prefer seeing a lot of them them die. If anyone is a "fascist", son, it's you.
So before you start name-calling, why don't you clarify in your own mind exactly WHAT you're trying to achieve, because so far you seem to be a sick, twisted fuck, just like WISHY.
So, just to be abundantly clear: What would you trying to achieve with your plan, SIX? When you have the answer, let us know.
#WEARAMASK
SIX: I've already made myself clear.
The amount of deaths do not in any way justify the actions that have been taken.
You also better hope that a shit ton of people die now, because nobody is going to take the next one seriously at all if they don't, and the next one might actually be something to worry about.
In the mean time, we've trashed the economy over nothing. Let's get back to work.
did you even bother to look at the chart that I linked, or the video that I posted which shows the number of deaths per week due to the coronavirus versus other causes of death, like heart attacks and the 2017-2018 flu plus pneumonia?
https://i.insider.com/5e98cd7173d0c818b1055a52?width=1300&format=j
peg&auto=webp
When is "enough" enough?
And what's wrong with mask-wearing? Do you WANT people to die?
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