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Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:47 PM
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I know actual GOP politicians - Senators Cruz and Cornyn. I also watch Trump give speeches and answer questions. These people are fucked up in the head. The MSM does not have to tell me this. The GOP tells me this very loudly and clearly. I also know that the people who vote for GOP, except the very richest ones who I respect their judgement, don't share my opinion. Me and the rich GOP voters perfectly understand what is seriously wrong with the GOP, it is just that the rich are bought by the money the GOP pours into their bank accounts.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This probably did happen.
I'm just wondering how you can believe that this happens, but at the same time you don't see the media manipulation against Trump on a daily basis. Or at the very least, why you don't even question it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Let's make it even simpler for you to understand: the richest GOP voters know that Trump is a crook, a liar, a tax cheater, a stupid man with diarrhea of the mouth. Talking about it won't make Trump change, so why would the rich bother? But they can depend on Trump looking after his own wealth and as a side effect making the rich GOP voters even richer.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
lol. Come from a biased place, much?
Seriously dude. You need to take a very long hard look into a mirror one day. You're totally fucked up.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:34 PM
I think what bugs SECOND the most about Trump is that Trump is richer.
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Friday, January 24, 2020 1:33 AM
Quote:Today, the Dilbert Comic covered approximately what I am talking about.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I know actual GOP politicians - Senators Cruz and Cornyn. I also watch Trump give speeches and answer questions. These people are fucked up in the head. The MSM does not have to tell me this. The GOP tells me this very loudly and clearly. I also know that the people who vote for GOP, except the very richest ones who I respect their judgement, don't share my opinion. Me and the rich GOP voters perfectly understand what is seriously wrong with the GOP, it is just that the rich are bought by the money the GOP pours into their bank accounts.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This probably did happen.
I'm just wondering how you can believe that this happens, but at the same time you don't see the media manipulation against Trump on a daily basis. Or at the very least, why you don't even question it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Let's make it even simpler for you to understand: the richest GOP voters know that Trump is a crook, a liar, a tax cheater, a stupid man with diarrhea of the mouth. Talking about it won't make Trump change, so why would the rich bother? But they can depend on Trump looking after his own wealth and as a side effect making the rich GOP voters even richer.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
lol. Come from a biased place, much?
Seriously dude. You need to take a very long hard look into a mirror one day. You're totally fucked up.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The Pointed Haired Boss said: "I donated to a few political campaigns, and coincidentally a law changed that I wanted changed. Now it's legal for us to sell drones that are armed with machine guns. I also got a tax break."
Dilbert: "I've never had less faith in my government."
https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-01-23
Thursday January 23, 2020 "Donating To Politicians"
6ix, I'm not real sure that you are worldly enough to comprehend even what Dilbert is talking about. I'm not gonna try explaining to you what precisely I'm talking about. You seem to have a learning disability, but I've seen it in EVERY TRUMP VOTER I know, except the rich ones. All the non-rich Trump voters struggle far too hard against the ordinary problems they have in life. When are they gonna get smarter and less fearful? When they come up against a tough problem, their lives end tragically, like a puppy wandering out on the highway of life at night and being run over by an 18 wheeler that never even noticed the bump as the dog is squashed on the pavement. You are that puppy. Stay off the roads if you want to live. Or at least look both ways before you cross the street.
https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-01-23
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, January 24, 2020 4:15 AM
lol. Whatever retard. Yup. I just don't "get it" is all.
You aren't even close to my level buddy. Go whine to somebody who gives a shit.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, January 24, 2020 3:17 PM
Quote:It might be the famous checkbook balances
SIGNY: SECOND, you're not telling me anything I haven't already posted about.
So the real reason why we have such a fucked up system (in pretty much everything, from foreign policy to food production to healthcare to banking) isn't because of Democrats or Republicans or some flaw in the construction of Congress or what-have-you, it is simply because (in essence) one dollar equals one vote, and those with the most dollars get the most votes. We are, truly, an oligarchy with only the trappings of democracy.
SECOND: It might be the famous checks and balances
Quote:Is it possible, SECOND, that you're simply not cynical ENOUGH?
are the problem. A focused and wealthy group outside government can apply a small pressure on exactly the right spot to make the Federal government lose consciousness: the “Death Touch” or dim mak. The government has never been healthy and robust. It is sickly, almost directionless, always tending toward ineffectiveness in Congress, by Constitutional design. When the Constitution faces a very determined group that wants to stop the Federal government from functioning ...
You write about the government "functioning" but you haven't asked yourself ... "function" DOING WHAT?
If you assume that the function of the government is to funnel tax money to the very wealthy, then the government is functioning spectacularly! It's not "disabled" at all!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Friday, January 24, 2020 3:28 PM
Quote:If you were really a CSE then you would know about feedback loops. You would also know that you can;t control multiple processes with one control system. Take commercial heating a cooling, for example: Two systems are alwys running in opposition to each other, that is how they stay balanced.
KIKI
No system is perfect, though here in the US we seem to have created a system that disadvantages everybody but the corporations. That's the basic take-home message.
In the Netherlands BTW the hospitals are non-profit, the doctors' groups are cooperatives (not corporations), every participant including pharmacies is TIGHTLY regulated by government - a point made multiple times in the article - and it's the one system out of those examined where - as indicated in the article - more people have a hard time paying their bills.
SECOND: Long ago I was what is called a Control Systems Engineer, a CSE. CSE designs all the stuff in the Control Room of a petrochemical plant. Believe it or not, this actually has application to government. The CSE is responsible for the safety shutdown system in the chemical plant, the system that takes over if the human operators fall asleep on the job, or panic, or do exactly the wrong thing while being absolutely certain they are doing the right thing because they fundamentally misunderstand what the control room displays are telling them.
When the chemical plant is only drawings on paper, before it becomes reality in steel and concrete, we do a very formal safety review, looking for malfunctions that could explode the whole plant, spreading fire and pollution everywhere. No system is perfect, but much can be done at this safety review to make the chemical plant closer to perfect. Now for the political part:
The Founding Fathers never did a formal safety review on their design while it was only words on paper of the Constitution. Their thinking only went as far as the next election will bring in new people to extinguish the fires caused by the old people operating the government. How much can go wrong in the years between elections? A great deal can, more than the Founding Fathers imagined. And the result of never having a safety review is metaphorically, sometime literally, fires and explosions and human suffering that never burns itself out and stops, all caused by government. It would be nice if humans in control of the government always understood what they were doing wrong, like it would be nice if the operators of a chemical plant always understood what they were doing, but you can't depend on humans doing the right thing. Your design has to look into the details of human failure that extends year after year, election after election.
But let's look at government like a control system, and figure out what went wrong without trying to pin the blame on any group in particular *which you always seem to want to do. That spoils objective analysis.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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Friday, January 24, 2020 5:57 PM
Quote:I guess you have never been in an actual control room of a chemical plant. It is a very boring place, with everything automatic. There will be coffee. There will be donuts. There will be an exercise machine so that the donuts don't make the human operator fat. The human operator (call him President) has very little to do unless a piece of machinery breaks down out in the plant and he calls maintenance. This is why Social Security checks still go out and tax money still comes in despite the human operator (keep calling him President) being an idiot. But the calmness of the control room is destroyed when the operator (or President) randomly pushes buttons, gets on the phone and calls firefighters when there are no fires, or stops and starts different parts of the chemical plant to show everybody who is really in charge.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you were really a CSE then you would know about feedback loops. You would also know that you can;t control multiple processes with one control system. Take commercial heating a cooling, for example: Two systems are alwys running in opposition to each other, that is how they stay balanced.
But let's look at government like a control system, and figure out what went wrong without trying to pin the blame on any group in particular *which you always seem to want to do. That spoils objective analysis.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, January 24, 2020 6:06 PM
Quote:What bugs me about Trump and Trump voters, except wealthy Trump voters, is what they think about. Yesterday I received in the mail my Early Ballot to the Texas Primary. It had questionnaire attached. The questions show all the difference in the world between Democrats and Republicans. First the questions for the Dems:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think what bugs SECOND the most about Trump is that Trump is richer.
Our Texas Bill of Rights will be voted on by Texans in the Democratic Primary Election and will guide our party, our campaigns, and our movement in the 2020 election.
1.) Right to Healthcare
Should everyone in Texas have a right to quality healthcare, protected by a universally accessible Medicare-style system that saves rural hospitals, reduces the cost of prescription drugs, and guarantees access to reproductive healthcare?
2.) Right to a 21st Century Public Education
Should everyone in Texas have the right to high-quality public education from pre-k to 12th grade, and affordable college and career training without the burden of crushing student loan debt?
3.) Right to Clean Air, Safe Water, and a Responsible Climate Policy
Should everyone in Texas have the right to clean air, safe water, affordable and sustainable alternative energy sources, and a responsible climate policy that recognizes and addresses the climate crisis as a real and serious threat that impacts every aspect of life on this planet?
4.) Right to Economic Security
Should everyone in Texas have the right to economic security, where all workers have earned paid family and sick leave, training to prepare for future economies, and a living wage that respects their hard work?
More at www.texasdemocrats.org/our-party/party-resources/our-texas-bill-of-rig
hts/
Republican Primary Ballot Propositions (Do you see a difference compared to Democrats?)
1.) Texas should not restrict or prohibit prayer in public schools.
2.) Texas should reject restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms.
3.) Texas should ban the practice of taxpayer-funded lobbying, which allows your tax dollars to be spent on lobbyists who work against the taxpayer. (Translation: Ban big cities with Democratic majorities from lobbying Austin. )
4.) Texas should support the construction of a physical barrier and use existing defense-grade surveillance equipment along the entire southern border of Texas. (Translation: Build Trump’s Wall)
More at www.texasgop.org/republican-primary-ballot-propositions/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Friday, January 24, 2020 7:58 PM
The 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is a case study of how lawmakers make themselves richer with the bills they pass. Legislation they championed — the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act — doled out nearly $150 billion in corporate tax savings last year alone. One effect: a big boost in stock prices.
Cutting tax rates for companies like Apple and hundreds of other stocks they own was one of many ways Republican lawmakers enriched themselves after they passed the tax law, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of the 186-page law and members’ financial disclosure forms. Not one Democrat voted for it.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/24/21078559/republicans-tax-cut
s-congress-profits
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Saturday, January 25, 2020 5:53 AM
Quote:been in the control room of every large power plant in the area, one large refinery, a coker, cement plant, and a bunch of smaller operations (resin plants, printing press etc) but I deserved that comment because of my unnecessary snark
SIGNY:If you were really a CSE then you would know about feedback loops. You would also know that you can;t control multiple processes with one control system. Take commercial heating a cooling, for example: Two systems are alwys running in opposition to each other, that is how they stay balanced.
But let's look at government like a control system, and figure out what went wrong without trying to pin the blame on any group in particular *which you always seem to want to do. That spoils objective analysis.
SECOND: I guess you have never been in an actual control room of a chemical plant.
So, government as a control room.
Part of the problem is that we have to decide what we want this control room TO DO. With production plants it's easy: maximize propylene, or maximize gasoline, or maximize GWH given particular feedstocks/ fuels.
But what do you want government TO DO? Some people think our government should sweep in and right all wrongs and "help" people around the world. Other people think our government should make capitalism or the banking system stronger. Some people think we should enhance international trade, or fix global warming.
So....?
What should our government's essential function be? Until you answer that question, you can't possibly start designing anything.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
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