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What does that have to do with GLOBAL WARMING Sloppy?
FOCUS.
AND STOP LYING.
You know, if you were able to run your life in any successful way, you'd understand that the way to bring this debate to a definitive close is to show me the democrats have DONE SOMETHING EFFECTIVE in any one of those 30+ years to address global warming,
But you're a loser in life, and you'll never be able to grasp what it means to be working from facts.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:Quote:Name one - specifically. Tell me how EXACTLY that bill is going to do the job.
There is a list of bills from Democrats that have gone to the Senate only to die very quietly.
Are there - oh - increments of progress written in? Assignment of departments to calculate cost effectiveness? Granting of authority? Anything at all to indicate it's a serious bill and not just and empty position statement like the DNC platform was?
I'll wait.
And - as long as I'm here, let me just indulge in a little bit of SLOPPY snark on you.
You know, if you were able to run your life in any successful way, you'd understand that the way to bring this debate to a definitive close is to show me the democrats have DONE SOMETHING EFFECTIVE in any one of those 30+ years to address global warming,
But you're a loser in life, and you'll never be able to grasp what it means to be working from facts.
And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
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If Trump was president, he'd have congressional opposition from BOTH the democrats AND the republicans.
He would literally not be able to get anything done. The idea of how dysfunctional his term would be is funny!
That's all. I didn't want to clutter up anyone else's thread.
Carry on.
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Health Care is a $7,800 Tax On Every American Family
The latest 2018 health care spending numbers for all the developed countries of the world shows the United States spends 16.9 percent of GDP on health care compared to 12.2 percent for Switzerland, the next most expensive.
US GDP was $20 trillion in 2018. If we cut back to Switzerland’s level we’d reduce health care spending by 4.7 percentage points, or about a trillion dollars. There are roughly 128 million households in the US, so that comes to a savings of $7,800 per household.
The real question at hand is: why don’t we make an effort to cut back to Swiss levels? After all, they have perfectly fine health care even with much lower spending.
The answer to that is easier: It’s because most of our outsize expense comes from paying doctors more, nurses more, medical staff more, hospitals (and their workers) more, drug companies (and their workers) more, device makers (and their workers) more, and so forth. Thus, the only way to seriously cut back our health care spending is to pay people a lot less than they’re getting now, and this can be done only slowly if at all. You can’t suddenly tell doctors and nurses that they’re all getting 30 percent pay cuts. Hell, you can’t even do that to pharmaceutical companies, as much as we might like to. Aside from being massively disruptive, it would generate massive opposition. And in a democracy, massive opposition matter.
This is why I think Elizabeth Warren was right to say that if we’re going to adopt Medicare for All, we’ll need to phase it in. I just wish she were more forthright about it. The plain reality is that it will never happen unless we agree not to slash everyone’s pay and instead just put the brakes on future pay increases. Even that will be unpopular, but it’s probably doable. It would mean that it’s a long time before we get anywhere near to Swiss levels of spending, but that’s just the way it is.
More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/01/health-care-is-an-8000-tax-on-e
very-american-family/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.”
More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.”
More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
It's owned by Liberals now. Is Larry David a secret Trump supporter, or is he just stupid?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Fox News is NOT owned by Disney. I presume Disney is the liberals you think own Fox News.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.”
More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
It's owned by Liberals now. Is Larry David a secret Trump supporter, or is he just stupid?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.foxnews.com/entertainment/fox-corporation-becomes-stand-alone-comp
any-as-disney-deal-set-to-close
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Fox News is NOT owned by Disney. I presume Disney is the liberals you think own Fox News.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.”
More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
It's owned by Liberals now. Is Larry David a secret Trump supporter, or is he just stupid?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.foxnews.com/entertainment/fox-corporation-becomes-stand-alone-comp
any-as-disney-deal-set-to-close
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Nope and nope.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lachlan-murdoch-takes-c
ontrol-of-fox-corp-but-how-will-he-deal-with-president-trump/2019/03/20/abbb43d6-40ee-11e9-a0d3-1210e58a94cf_story.html
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Lachlan Murdoch takes control of Fox Corp. But how will he deal with President Trump?
Fox News is one of the only pollsters that consistently to this day say that support for Trump's impeachment outweighs support against it. Even CNN and WaPo aren't telling that lie anymore.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_
impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html#polls
You should really read more than Vox and MotherJones. You might actually learn a thing or two and be able to keep up with the adult conversations in the RWED instead of always throwing temper tantrums and quoting people followed by a reply that has nothing to do with what you quoted.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Australia Shows Us the Road to Hell – the political reaction is scarier than the fires.
In a rational world, the burning of Australia would be a historical turning point. After all, it’s exactly the kind of catastrophe climate scientists long warned us to expect if we didn’t take action to limit greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, a 2008 report commissioned by the Australian government predicted that global warming would cause the nation’s fire seasons to begin earlier, end later, and be more intense — starting around 2020.
Furthermore, though it may seem callous to say it, this disaster is unusually photogenic. You don’t need to pore over charts and statistical tables; this is a horror story told by walls of fire and terrified refugees huddled on beaches.
So this should be the moment when governments finally began urgent efforts to stave off climate catastrophe.
But the world isn’t rational. The anti-environmentalist media, the Murdoch empire in particular, has gone all-out on disinformation, trying to place the blame on arsonists and “greenies” who won’t let fire services get rid of enough trees.
As late as the 1990s, Democrats and Republicans were almost equally likely to say that the effects of global warming had already begun. Since then, however, partisan views have diverged, with Democrats increasingly likely to see climate change happening, while Republicans increasingly see and hear no climate evil.
There’s substantial evidence that conservatives who are highly educated and well informed about politics are more likely than other conservatives to say things that aren’t true, probably because they are more likely to know what the conservative political elite wants them to believe. In particular, conservatives with high scientific literacy and numeracy are especially likely to be climate deniers.
But if climate denial and opposition to action are immovable even in the face of obvious catastrophe, what hope is there for avoiding the apocalypse? Let’s be honest with ourselves: Things are looking pretty grim. Scientific persuasion is running into sharply diminishing returns. Very few of the people still denying the reality of climate change or opposing doing anything about it will be moved by further accumulation of evidence, or even by a proliferation of new disasters. Any action that does take place will have to do so in the face of intractable right-wing opposition.
This means, in turn, that climate action will have to offer immediate benefits to large numbers of voters, because policies that seem to require widespread sacrifice would be viable only with the kind of political consensus we clearly aren’t going to get.
More at www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opinion/australia-fires.html
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Donald Trump Jr. and Sean Hannity were among the most prominent tweeters this week of the allegation that close to 200 people in Australia have been charged with arson for deliberately lighting brushfires. In many instances, the people promoting the arson narrative are doing so to refute climate change as a driver of the fires.
Officials in the state of Victoria have refuted arson as a major cause of bushfires. “Police are aware of a number of posts circulating in relation to the current bushfire situation, however currently there is no intelligence to indicate that the fires in East Gippsland and north-east Victoria have been caused by arson or any other suspicious behaviour,” a police spokeswoman told The Age on Thursday.
“The majority of these bushfires have been generated by lightning strikes associated with weather and climate effects,” Dale Dominey-Howes, a professor of hazard and disaster risk sciences at the University of Sydney, told HuffPost.
www.vox.com/2020/1/9/21058332/australia-fires-arson-lightning-explaine
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Australia is burning. The Arctic is melting. Yet Trump keeps gutting climate change regulations.
Trump is delaying ratification of a treaty on hydrofluorocarbons. The climate change solutions organization Project Drawdown has found that phasing out these chemicals would be the most impactful solution to stop global warming -- more than driving electric cars or switching to renewable energy. www.drawdown.org/solutions/materials/refrigerant-management
The International agreement to limit hydrofluorocarbons gases went into effect last year, but Trump has yet to send it to the Senate to ratify it.
The treaty is called the Kigali Amendment, and it deals with a little-known but highly potent class of greenhouse gases called hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), which are used in refrigerators and air conditioners. The gases are sometimes called "super greenhouse gases" because of their capacity to trap huge amounts of heat in the atmosphere; they have more than 1,000 times greater warming potential than carbon dioxide.
More at www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/politics/trump-climate-change-environmental-pol
icy-rollbacks/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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