Seattle Has Figured Out How to End the War on Drugs

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 3, 2019 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Says CC, who "has the answer" but is so withholding he can't possibly post it.
That's just pathetic CC. But you can always retrieve your reputation by posting YOUR solutions to the drug problem. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't.

He's just messing with you, there is NO solution.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/3/20750587/rehab-drug-a
ddiction-treatment-sean-blake-opioid-epidemic

You can pour all the money in the world into these people, and it's not enough. It'll never be enough.

Actually, there is. Addiction rates vary across countries, and also rise AND FALL thru time within the same country. That means that there are factors which promote, or inhibit, addiction. (Same thing with suicide and obesity, which are other responses to stress.)

I know for a fact that addiction is linked to economic distress and existential uncertainty about the future. You can see this in every nation that undergoes an economic collapse: addiction rates skyrocket.

Russia in literally drinking itself to death
https://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-dea
th/

The disease killing white Americans goes way deeper than opioids
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/24/the-disease-kil
ling-white-americans-goes-way-deeper-than-opioids/

You see this even in lab rats: If you cage them in a stressful situation which they can neither control nor flee ... such as random electric shocks that they can't avoid ... and then provide them with the option to drink, they'll drink.

Tobacco use has gone way down - another addiction that has been reversed. (Altho with vaping, the tobacco companies are hoping to hook another generation.)

Some ethnicities also experience little addiction. https://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html

So there are societal factors which drive addiction. If we can manage those societal factors we can reduce the number of new addicts. Treatment is another story. It is difficult and a lifelong effort. It's like losing weight ... many attempts, a few successes, many relapses, but you keep on trying.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 1:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Says CC, who "has the answer" but is so withholding he can't possibly post it.
That's just pathetic CC. But you can always retrieve your reputation by posting YOUR solutions to the drug problem. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't.

He's just messing with you, there is NO solution.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/3/20750587/rehab-drug-a
ddiction-treatment-sean-blake-opioid-epidemic

You can pour all the money in the world into these people, and it's not enough. It'll never be enough.
Actually, there is. Addiction rates vary across countries, and also rise AND FALL thru time within the same country. That means that there are factors which promote, or inhibit, addiction. (Same thing with suicide and obesity, which are other responses to stress.)

I know for a fact that addiction is linked to economic distress and existential uncertainty about the future. You can see this in every nation that undergoes an economic collapse: addiction rates skyrocket.

Russia in literally drinking itself to death
https://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-dea
th/

The disease killing white Americans goes way deeper than opioids
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/24/the-disease-kil
ling-white-americans-goes-way-deeper-than-opioids/

You see this even in lab rats: If you cage them in a stressful situation which they can neither control nor flee ... such as random electric shocks that they can't avoid ... and then provide them with the option to drink, they'll drink.

Tobacco use has gone way down - another addiction that has been reversed. (Altho with vaping, the tobacco companies are hoping to hook another generation.)

Some ethnicities also experience little addiction. https://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html

So there are societal factors which drive addiction. If we can manage those societal factors we can reduce the number of new addicts. Treatment is another story. It is difficult and a lifelong effort. It's like losing weight ... many attempts, a few successes, many relapses, but you keep on trying.

Naw - Wish was right. There is no solution, there's just "better." That's what it looks like Seattle has done - so cheers to them for that. Thinking perfection is attainable just signifies a lack of understanding.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 2:35 AM

Quote:

Says CC, who "has the answer" but is so withholding he can't possibly post it.
That's just pathetic CC. But you can always retrieve your reputation by posting YOUR solutions to the drug problem. I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't.- SIGNY

He's just messing with you, there is NO solution.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/3/20750587/rehab-drug-a
ddiction-treatment-sean-blake-opioid-epidemic
You can pour all the money in the world into these people, and it's not enough. It'll never be enough. WISHY

Actually, there is. Addiction rates vary across countries, and also rise AND FALL thru time within the same country. That means that there are factors which promote, or inhibit, addiction. (Same thing with suicide and obesity, which are other responses to stress.)

I know for a fact that addiction is linked to economic distress and existential uncertainty about the future. You can see this in every nation that undergoes an economic collapse: addiction rates skyrocket.

Russia in literally drinking itself to death [This was during the collpase of the Soviet Union 1990-2000]
https://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-dea
th/

The disease killing white Americans goes way deeper than opioids
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/24/the-disease-kil
ling-white-americans-goes-way-deeper-than-opioids/

You see this even in lab rats: If you cage them in a stressful situation which they can neither control nor flee ... such as random electric shocks that they can't avoid ... and then provide them with the option to drink, they'll drink.

Tobacco use has gone way down - another addiction that has been reversed. (Altho with vaping, the tobacco companies are hoping to hook another generation.)

Some ethnicities also experience little addiction. https://www.peele.net/lib/sociocul.html

So there are societal factors which drive addiction. If we can manage those societal factors we can reduce the number of new addicts. Treatment is another story. It is difficult and a lifelong effort. It's like losing weight ... many attempts, a few successes, many relapses, but you keep on trying.- SIGNY

Naw - Wish was right. There is no solution, there's just "better." That's what it looks like Seattle has done - so cheers to them for that. Thinking perfection is attainable just signifies a lack of understanding.- CC

Who the fuck was talking about "perfection"? I'm talking percentages, not magic bullets. What would be "better" than Seattle would be a system that doesn't leave people on the street to fester. Hence, involuntary treatment. Does it always work? NO. Are people suffering from conditions (such as organic brain damage from drug use) that can't be reversed? OF COURSE.

What is the solution for THEM? Permanent institutionalization? MAYBE.

As usual, you lie about what I post, so fuck off.

BTW I win my bet.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 5:32 PM

STINKY: "Who the fuck was talking about "perfection"?

You were. STINKY: "So there you have it, my solution for drug use (starting first with those who're the most threatening of the homeless)

All wrapped up for us in a few sentences - Seattle's drug problem, er, our Nation's drug problems... let's face it, STINKY solved the WORLD's drug use in a couple nice, tidy sentences. *clapping*

STINKY: "As usual, you lie about what I post, so fuck off."
As usual you lied about what I said, "having the answer" so double f*ck off.

STINKY: "BTW I win my bet."
Here's you prize: a Humiilty Pill the size of a grapefruit. It's a suppository.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 8:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
STINKY: "Who the fuck was talking about "perfection"?

You were. STINKY: "So there you have it, my solution for drug use (starting first with those who're the most threatening of the homeless)

All wrapped up for us in a few sentences - Seattle's drug problem, er, our Nation's drug problems... let's face it, STINKY solved the WORLD's drug use in a couple nice, tidy sentences. *clapping*

STINKY: "As usual, you lie about what I post, so fuck off."
As usual you lied about what I said, "having the answer" so double f*ck off.

STINKY: "BTW I win my bet."
Here's you prize: a Humiilty Pill the size of a grapefruit. It's a suppository.

You're going to pin your reply on ONE WORD taken out of context, when everything I posted made it clear that I was proposing solutions that relied on trends, and were only partial? Hence, the MORE RESEARCH?

I'll take "ASSHOLE" for $200, Alex!

You're just butt-hurt that I don't like Seattle's "solution" which relies on wheedling people off the street, leaving the craziest and sickest to harrass and threaten everyone else. But that's your consumerist "whatever floats your boat" mentality shining thru: "choice"" is your god.

Yanno, if I had a drug addicted homeless relative ... especially one who was suffering from brain damage or neurochemical disorder ... I would pray to any god that the society would take them in and kindly find a quiet safe place for them to stay instead of allowing her or him the circle the drain for years.

But, not you.

You're a fucking jagoff.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 9:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
STINKY: "Who the fuck was talking about "perfection"?

You were. STINKY: "So there you have it, my solution for drug use (starting first with those who're the most threatening of the homeless)

All wrapped up for us in a few sentences - Seattle's drug problem, er, our Nation's drug problems... let's face it, STINKY solved the WORLD's drug use in a couple nice, tidy sentences. *clapping*

STINKY: "As usual, you lie about what I post, so fuck off."
As usual you lied about what I said, "having the answer" so double f*ck off.

STINKY: "BTW I win my bet."
Here's you prize: a Humiilty Pill the size of a grapefruit. It's a suppository.

You're going to pin your reply on ONE WORD taken out of context, when everything I posted made it clear that I was proposing solutions that relied on trends, and were only partial? Hence, the MORE RESEARCH?

You trade on and off with JSF as the dumbest poster on this forum - congrats?

I'm actually pinning it on your complete lack of understanding on how humans and this world work. You think if you type a great idea it's never been tried or no one has ever thought of it. It might actually be something that was tried 30 "solutions" ago and failed, that there actually might be reasons your "perfect solution" is perfect horse shit. You even come close, right up to the edge of understanding, "costs too much!" but then you slip into self whoreship.
Just can't help yourself.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're just butt-hurt that I don't like Seattle's "solution" which relies on wheedling people off the street, leaving the craziest and sickest to harrass and threaten everyone else. But that's your consumerist "whatever floats your boat" mentality shining thru: "choice"" is your god.

Wow, a giant dump truck of lying Bullsh*t from you today - thanks. If you had any kind of memory and were even 50% honest, you'd know I am anti-consumer and am constantly trying to school you and KOOKY that Consumers never think they are part of the problem.
There are reasons you can't just scoop people up off the street even with the greatest of intentions. Just like you can't strap old people into their wheel chairs or their beds at night to prevent them from falling out and hurting themselves. I's a LAW, and not by dice roll or ouija board. Sometimes there's just no sensible solution, and even worse, sometimes a bad idea is the best idea.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, if I had a drug addicted homeless relative ... especially one who was suffering from brain damage or neurochemical disorder ... I would pray to any god that the society would take them in and kindly find a quiet safe place for them to stay instead of allowing her or him the circle the drain for years.

Alex, I'll take If The Queen Had Balls for $1000.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 10:03 PM

Quote:
STINKY: "Who the fuck was talking about "perfection"?

You were. STINKY: "So there you have it, my solution for drug use (starting first with those who're the most threatening of the homeless)

All wrapped up for us in a few sentences - Seattle's drug problem, er, our Nation's drug problems... let's face it, STINKY solved the WORLD's drug use in a couple nice, tidy sentences. *clapping* - CC

Bullshit, you steaming stinky turd, you.

I posted about "societal factors" and "rates of addiction" and "preventing new addictions" and "more research". But, keep grasping at those straws, CC!

Quote:
SIGNY: You're going to pin your reply on ONE WORD taken out of context, when everything I posted made it clear that I was proposing solutions that relied on trends, and were only partial? Hence, the MORE RESEARCH?

CC: You trade on and off with JSF as the dumbest poster on this forum - congrats?
I'm actually pinning it on your complete lack of understanding on how humans and this world work. You think if you type a great idea it's never been tried or no one has ever thought of it. It might actually be something that was tried 30 "solutions" ago and failed,

Hmmm.. "might have been"? You wouldn't know? You never looked it up?

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that there actually might be reasons your "perfect

Son, I never said it was "perfect", in quotes already! As If I posted that word! I've told you a few times already that I never claimed it was "perfect". If you're not LYING, you're extremely dense.

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solution" is perfect

God, what is it with you and LYING? You just can't stop yourself, can you?

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horse shit.

Speaking of horseshit ...

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You even come close, right up to the edge of understanding, "costs too much!" but then you slip into self whoreship.
Just can't help yourself.

Well, I know how to have an intelligent discussion, but YOU sure don't!

Let's start with the "involuntary treatment". Does it work? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. 34 states have "involuntary treatment" laws. The problem is that the treatment aren't often guided by data and can involve anything from MDMA to hippotherapy. The mandated treatments aren't very long. I most cases, there is no support afterwards. They often treat the addiction, but not any underlying problems (schizophrenia, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, anhedonia, anxiety disorder, organic brain damage etc) that may have led to self-medicating in the first place.

I think if we were to think about a more successfu model, it would not only inolve longer treatment periods anmore than detox and "talk therapy" (incredibly ineffective), but also moving the person away - with support- for a year or so from their old associations and old haunts.

Quote:

SIGNY: You're just butt-hurt that I don't like Seattle's "solution" which relies on wheedling people off the street, leaving the craziest and sickest to harrass and threaten everyone else. But that's your consumerist "whatever floats your boat" mentality shining thru: "choice"" is your god.

CC: Wow, a giant dump truck of lying Bullsh*t from you today - thanks. If you had any kind of memory and were even 50% honest, you'd know I am anti-consumer

Nope! You're 100% proconsumer. You're biggest concern about the trade war was that it would cost the American "consumer". You think manufacturing (work) should be a thing of the past. You're all about social media and pointlessly fucking around on a smart phone: The utimate non-productive consumerist experience.

Quote:
and am constantly trying to school you and KOOKY that Consumers never think they are part of the problem.

Well, that seems to describe you pretty well! In the real

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, September 4, 2019 11:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Tobacco use has gone way down - another addiction that has been reversed. (Altho with vaping, the tobacco companies are hoping to hook another generation.)

WRONG AGAIN.

Progress Erased: Youth Tobacco Use Increased During 2017-2018. About 4.9 million middle and high school students were current users (used in the past 30 days) of some type of tobacco product in 2018, up from 3.6 million in 2017

I don't know about the rest of the country but Indiana is smoking it up, I was talking to a couple nurses about that the other day. We agreed tobacco use is everywhere here again...

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 5, 2019 12:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Tobacco use has gone way down - another addiction that has been reversed. (Altho with vaping, the tobacco companies are hoping to hook another generation.)

WRONG AGAIN.

Progress Erased: Youth Tobacco Use Increased During 2017-2018. About 4.9 million middle and high school students were current users (used in the past 30 days) of some type of tobacco product in 2018, up from 3.6 million in 2017

I don't know about the rest of the country but Indiana is smoking it up, I was talking to a couple nurses about that the other day. We agreed tobacco use is everywhere here again...

LINKS PLEASE And, if this has to do with vaping ... well, I already mentioned it.

Also, your post actually makes my point for me. I'm going to give you a chance to figure that one out on your own.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, September 5, 2019 12:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
STINKY: "Who the fuck was talking about "perfection"?

You were. STINKY: "So there you have it, my solution for drug use (starting first with those who're the most threatening of the homeless)

All wrapped up for us in a few sentences - Seattle's drug problem, er, our Nation's drug problems... let's face it, STINKY solved the WORLD's drug use in a couple nice, tidy sentences. *clapping* - CC
Bullshit, you steaming stinky turd, you.
I posted about "societal factors" and "rates of addiction" and "preventing new addictions" and "more research". But, keep grasping at those straws, CC!

Quote:
SIGNY: You're going to pin your reply on ONE WORD taken out of context, when everything I posted made it clear that I was proposing solutions that relied on trends, and were only partial? Hence, the MORE RESEARCH?

CC: You trade on and off with JSF as the dumbest poster on this forum - congrats?
I'm actually pinning it on your complete lack of understanding on how humans and this world work. You think if you type a great idea it's never been tried or no one has ever thought of it. It might actually be something that was tried 30 "solutions" ago and failed,
Hmmm.. "might have been"? You wouldn't know? You never looked it up?

Quote:
that there actually might be reasons your "perfect
Son, I never said it was "perfect", in quotes already! As If I posted that word! I've told you a few times already that I never claimed it was "perfect". If you're not LYING, you're extremely dense.
Quote:
solution" is perfect
God, what is it with you and LYING? You just can't stop yourself, can you?
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horse shit.
Speaking of horseshit ...
Quote:
You even come close, right up to the edge of understanding, "costs too much!" but then you slip into self whoreship.
Just can't help yourself.
Well, I know how to have an intelligent discussion, but YOU sure don't!

Let's start with the "involuntary treatment". Does it work? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. 34 states have "involuntary treatment" laws. The problem is that the treatment aren't often guided by data and can involve anything from MDMA to hippotherapy. The mandated treatments aren't very long. I most cases, there is no support afterwards. They often treat the addiction, but not any underlying problems (schizophrenia, depression, PTSD, bipolar disorder, anhedonia, anxiety disorder, organic brain damage etc) that may have led to self-medicating in the first place.

I think if we were to think about a more successfu model, it would not only inolve longer treatment periods anmore than detox and "talk therapy" (incredibly ineffective), but also moving the person away - with support- for a year or so from their old associations and old haunts.

Quote:

SIGNY: You're just butt-hurt that I don't like Seattle's "solution" which relies on wheedling people off the street, leaving the craziest and sickest to harrass and threaten everyone else. But that's your consumerist "whatever floats your boat" mentality shining thru: "choice"" is your god.

CC: Wow, a giant dump truck of lying Bullsh*t from you today - thanks. If you had any kind of memory and were even 50% honest, you'd know I am anti-consumer
Nope! You're 100% proconsumer. You're biggest concern about the trade war was that it would cost the American "consumer". You think manufacturing (work) should be a thing of the past. You're all about social media and pointlessly fucking around on a smart phone: The utimate non-productive consumerist experience.

Quote:
and am constantly trying to school you and KOOKY that Consumers never think they are part of the problem.
Well, that seems t

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