Seattle Has Figured Out How to End the War on Drugs

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UPDATED: Saturday, August 8, 2026 15:24
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I never said I had all the answers.

I am a firm believer that you should be able to do anything you want to do in a free country as long as you're not harming others or unnecessarily inconveniencing them. Though the non-violent offenders aren't doing the former, they're certainly doing the latter in Seattle.

What I do know is that the US Prison system is slave labor, and corporations make big profits off of it. It's not designed to rehabilitate anybody, and quite the contrary, it turns non-violent people who were just misguided into hardened criminals when they do get out. Most of them end up back inside.

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Jack telescopes a few things into his paragraphs: an opinion that laws should only exist for behavior that directly negatively affects others; that as solutions to lawlessness, prisons seem to make it worse.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Many folk had heard rumor that the Prison System was designed for the purpose of Punishing miscreants who decided to violate the Laws with the known Punishment of incarceration.
Funny how that sounds like it makes sense. It punishes as it was intended to punish.
So, the giant secret of ending the War on Drugs is to.....STOP ENFORCING THE LAW!!!!
Funny, this sounds much like the Libtard solution of lawlessness - err, actually, it is the same!

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Well, prisons IN THE US were originally designed to make people 'penitent', not as punishment. Be that as it may ... JSF says that prisons were meant to punish lawbreakers; but that 'Libtard's want to end the War on Drugs by not enforcing the law.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Too bad for you a lot of the things you think should be punishable by prison time are being legalized, huh?
Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Jack counters by saying things are being legalized.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Here you have a drastic Logic Fail.
Things that should be punishable with prison are those which are against the law, and the law specifies that prison is the consequence.
If it is a legal activity, it is not against the law, the law does not specify a prison sentence for legal acts.
If an activity is legal, there is no need for prison consequence.
If an activity is prohibited by law, and the lawbreakers know the consequence is prison, then when they commit the illegal act, they can expect to go to prison.

Your demonstration of superior pothead logic has yet again failed. Even if you have not been stoned for years, this still displays troubling long-term detriment to your cerebral functions.

Legal is legal.
Illegal is illegal.

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And JSF counters with what seems to be a non-sequitur - a point he fails to make (with me), and with added personal attacks.

JSF - what exactly are you trying to say? Are you for or against legalizing drugs? Are you for or against changing the legal consequences of being caught with drugs from 'prison' to 'intervention'?
Either one isn't about avoiding the law, or skirting the law - they're about changing the law.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I never said I had all the answers.

I am a firm believer that you should be able to do anything you want to do in a free country as long as you're not harming others or unnecessarily inconveniencing them. Though the non-violent offenders aren't doing the former, they're certainly doing the latter in Seattle.

What I do know is that the US Prison system is slave labor, and corporations make big profits off of it. It's not designed to rehabilitate anybody, and quite the contrary, it turns non-violent people who were just misguided into hardened criminals when they do get out. Most of them end up back inside.

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Many folk had heard rumor that the Prison System was designed for the purpose of Punishing miscreants who decided to violate the Laws with the known Punishment of incarceration.
Funny how that sounds like it makes sense. It punishes as it was intended to punish.




So, the giant secret of ending the War on Drugs is to.....STOP ENFORCING THE LAW!!!!
Funny, this sounds much like the Libtard solution of lawlessness - err, actually, it is the same!

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Too bad for you a lot of the things you think should be punishable by prison time are being legalized, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Here you have a drastic Logic Fail.
Things that should be punishable with prison are those which are against the law, and the law specifies that prison is the consequence.
If it is a legal activity, it is not against the law, the law does not specify a prison sentence for legal acts.
If an activity is legal, there is no need for prison consequence.
If an activity is prohibited by law, and the lawbreakers know the conserquence is prison, then when they commit the illegal act, they can expect to go to prison.

Your demonstration of superior pothead logic has yet again failed. Even if you have not been stoned for years, this still displays truobling long-term detriment to your cerebral functions.

Legal is legal.
Illegal is illegal.

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Wow.

That's a really long reply to a one sentence question.

Read it again.

I'm laughing at you because pot is being legalized and you're going to have to deal with the FACT that pot smoking isn't illegal and I think it will be extra funny when the stigma is finally gone and you realize just how many people have been hiding it from people like you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Kiki and Sig are wasting time with the blah blah over whether or not I'm allowed to assume people miss dead people.


Please, dear Buddha...go get laid... or stoned. Looney toonies.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Kiki and Sig are wasting time with the blah blah over whether or not I'm allowed to assume people miss dead people.


Please, dear Buddha...go get laid... or stoned. Looney toonies.

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THIS is what I've been "wasting my time on" ...

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It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattle, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week,

It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized.

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Three ecounters with the SPD, and if you haven't grabbed your chance at sobriety and/or treatment, off to the gulag you go! (Just kidding)

There are a lot of people who are drug addicted/alcoholics, mentally incompetent, mentally ill, etc and the difference between them and the people on the street is homelessness. A lot of people do stupid things in the privacy of their own homes and it doesn't raise a ruckus in the larger society because they have the space and the resrouces to do what they do, privately. Homeless people need to be involuntarily "homed".

I employ a formerly homeless man (he was homeless when I first started employing him) and he is neither a drug addict nor mentally ill, altho he has made a series of stupid decisions about jobs in his lifetime which cost him his place. But he DOES tell me about the other homeless people, and in addition to many of them being mentally ill and/or drug addicted, long term homelessness leads to a kind of feral behavior. We have feral people on our streets. They don't WANT to go into a home.

How do you domesticate feral dogs and cats? Well, you give them a home with a lot of encounters with people reinforced by food.

We can talk about the ultimate causes of homelessness (lack of good-paying jobs, real estate bubble which has lifted housing out of reach, unemployment and financial uncertainty which causes people to turn to drugs and drink out of hopelessness and anxiety, lack of treatment options for the mentally ill, too many returning vets with PTSD etc) but the immediate response should be involuntary housing and treatment.

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When unemployment and family/personal financial/economic insecurity spike, drug use and alcohilism go thru the roof. You see this in every modern nation that experiences economic turmoil. If you want to reduce drug addiction, people have to have meaningful, secure, good-paying jobs that take up their free time and give them agency over their future.

Our other problem is that we generate a crapton of veterans who come out of the military either with PTSD, or they become economically and socially disoriented in the transition from a situation where their needs, society and goals are provided for them and then dumped into maelstrom of uncertainty and isolation.

In particular, people have been isolated from each other. We may have more virtual contacts than ever before, but way fewer friends and famliy that we can lean on/count on when things go rough, and we feel no obligation to be the one that other can lean on either.

Finally, I think our consumerist society has everyone thinking that life should be fulfilling all the time. There are an awful lot of people who feel entitled to happiness, and don't understand that life D

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