Seattle Has Figured Out How to End the War on Drugs
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UPDATED: Saturday, August 8, 2026 15:24
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I know a few gay guys who would argue you about the being fabulous part as well as the insinuation that they are into promiscuous sex or have a desire to have sex more than a normal heterosexual would.
But what else should I expect from a virtue signalling backwoods Indiana person who's never actually met a gay person and learned everything they know about gay people from watching The Birdcage.
And... you're concurrently running a new thread where you're throwing weed users in with all other hard drug users. Nobody who smokes weed ever goes into it knowing that death is a possibility because nobody has ever died from smoking weed in the history of smoking weed.
You know what >
THIS thing is, right? What about THIS one??
1. THE END GOAL OF BEING GAY IS NOT DEATH. PERIOD.
2. I have several absolutely flaming gay friends, as does the kiddo. Gays are everywhere, even in the backwoods of Indiana.
3. Two people actually HAVE died of allergic responses to weed.
4. MANY MANY people have died as a result of others driving high.
https://www.today.com/health/driving-while-high-marijuana-causing-spik
e-fatal-accidents-t91746
5. I did not mean chronic pot users, but if they've ever driven high and killed people, sure they should get offered the option.
6. You sound really defensive of your (possibly previous) unneeded and ill-advised drug use. Haven't learned to accept you are defective yet, hmmm?????
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We never know who we're talking to on any given night, Sybil.
I know. I have the audacity to try and make you think. I know you aren't used to that
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You're sucha' tool.
What I can't figure out is why you think being a troll indicates you're smart.
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I don't use drugs, idiot.
I haven't smoked weed in over 3 years.
They're legalizing it January 1st in Illinois. Any adult will be able to walk into a store and buy it like they would booze.
There is no testing for weed that is legitimate, so they won't be able to test for driving while high since you could have smoked 3 weeks ago and you will still come up dirty.
Allergic reactions to weed don't count. Peanuts are great. People die from peanuts.
All of those studies about people driving high and killing somebody are flawed. Those people were also drunk or on another substance at the same time.
You're an idiot.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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When you have a complicated problem to solve that has many solutions, like the War on Drugs, you need to know what those solutions are, rather than fall back to your personal opinion. But most people aren't ever going to solve world size problems so much as they just want to either look good or do the least amount of work that will get them through their day. Neither way most people follow will ever get the world closer to a solution, but we are not here at fireflyfans.net to solve the World's Problems, are we?
Too bad there isn't a metacritic for solutions to big problems. Metacritic can tell you what the weaknesses of a particular movie, but not weaknesses of different solutions to the War on Drugs. Ask metacritic about the movie Serenity. You'll get two contradictory opinions, until you realize that there is a Serenity with Nathan Fillion and a Serenity with Matthew McConaughey. One of them did poorly at the boxoffice, but the other did worse. That's just the way it is for solutions to big problems. Opinions vary and the actual results in the real world range from bad to worse. Avoid the worst Serenity and the worst way to fight the war on drugs. But most likely, the worst way will be what continues happening in most cities of the USA because that's most familiar to Americans.
www.metacritic.com/movie/serenity
www.metacritic.com/movie/serenity-2018
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity.htm
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity2018.htm
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattel, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week,
It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized.
I missed how locking people up for petty drug use equals, "we're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted."
You'll have to explain that.
Elsewhere > great to see 2 big pharmas Perdue and J&J paying the price for their part in Opioid addiction. That's another major part of the a better solution. Hit 'em in the wallet and they'll think twice.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Connor_v._Donaldson
O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision in mental health law. The United States Supreme Court ruled that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty. Decided June 26, 1975
California passed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act which de-homed the mentally ill in California. De-homing later became national with the Supreme Court ruling. This was a landmark ruling that led to formerly housed psychiatric patients being released onto the streets. And it removed a tool that helped families keep their mentally ill relatives at home. Because no one can keep a mentally ill person in a safe place against their will.
That led to a vast proportion of mentally ill being homeless on the streets. The first point of contact between the mentally ill and officialdom is usually the police. And that makes the jails and prisons the most frequent place the mentally ill are 'housed'.
About half of the homeless have a mental illness, a quarter of the homeless have a serious mental illness. https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/consequences/homeless-mentally-ill.htm
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And the mentally ill are overrepresented in jails and prisons; this is often traced to deinstitutionalization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentally_ill_people_in_United_States_jai
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Quote:Even the drug addicted can't be involuntarily detoxed.
A 2017 report issued by the Bureau of Justice Statistics used self-report survey data from inmates to assess the prevalence of mental health problems among prisoners and jail inmates. They found that 14% of prisoners and 25% of jail inmates had past 30-day serious psychological distress, compared to 5% of the general population. In addition, 37% of prisoners and 44% of jail inmates had a history of a mental health problem. ... Researchers commonly cite deinstitutionalization, or the emptying of state mental hospitals in the mid-twentieth century, as a direct cause of the rise of mentally ill people in prisons.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattel, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week,
It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized.
I missed how locking people up for petty drug use equals, "we're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted."
You'll have to explain that.
Elsewhere > great to see 2 big pharmas Perdue and J&J paying the price for their part in Opioid addiction. That's another major part of the a better solution. Hit 'em in the wallet and they'll think twice.
I might be wrong here or misreading things, but I think we've finally found some common ground that we're just about 100% in agreement with each other here Captain.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattel, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week,
It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized.
I missed how locking people up for petty drug use equals, "we're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted."
You'll have to explain that.
Elsewhere > great to see 2 big pharmas Perdue and J&J paying the price for their part in Opioid addiction. That's another major part of the a better solution. Hit 'em in the wallet and they'll think twice.
I might be wrong here or misreading things, but I think we've finally found some common ground that we're just about 100% in agreement with each other here Captain.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Maybe so. Prison/jail time is not a solution. It doesn't cure addiction. Even great counseling doesn't always work, but it's more successful than locking people up. That's just kicking the can down the road and trying to hide the problem.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There is no testing for weed that is legitimate, so they won't be able to test for driving while high since you could have smoked 3 weeks ago and you will still come up dirty.
Allergic reactions to weed don't count. Peanuts are great. People die from peanuts.
All of those studies about people driving high and killing somebody are flawed. Those people were also drunk or on another substance at the same time.
You're an idiot.
I see every study that doesn't say weed is the best thing ever you are still disagreeing with out of hand, just like Chump does with "fake news", and because science is haaaarrrrd, man
I'm sure the families of the two people who died would say they counted, but then again, YOU ARE A NARCISSIST so no one else counts in your world.
And, I'm guessing you don't know this, but people who drive high quite frequently admit to driving high BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGH. Yes, your own words may be used against you....SURPRISE!
I'm STILL less of an idiot THAN YOU. I've never been high and I've never even been drunk. Never needed to be... That makes me five wasted years smarter than you or kiki
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